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Hi. The 18th edition of ''Ethnologue'' just came out, and if we divide up our language articles among us, it won't take long to update them. I would appreciate it if you could help out, even if it's just a few articles (5,000 articles is a lot for just me), but I won't be insulted if you delete this request.

A largely complete list of articles to be updated is at :Category:Language articles citing Ethnologue 17 ↗. The priority articles are in :Category:Language articles with old Ethnologue 17 speaker data ↗. These are the 10% that have population figures at least 25 years old.

Probably 90% of the time, ''Ethnologue'' has not changed their figures between the 17th and 18th editions, so all we need to do is change "e17" to "e18" in the reference (ref) field of the language info box. That will change the citation for the artcle to the current edition. Please put the data in the proper fields, or the info box will flag it as needing editorial review. The other relevant fields are "speakers" (the number of native speakers in all countries), "date" (the date of the reference or census that Ethnologue uses, not the date of Ethnologue!), and sometimes "speakers2". Our convention has been to enter e.g. "1990 census" when a census is used, as other data can be much older than the publication date. Sometimes a citation elsewhere in the article depends on the e17 entry, in which case you will need to change "name=e17" to "name=e18" in the reference tag (assuming the 18th edition still supports the cited claim).

Remember, we want the *total* number of native speakers, which is often not the first figure given by ''Ethnologue''. Sometimes the data is too incompatible to add together (e.g. a figure from the 1950s for one country, and a figure from 2006 for another), in which case it should be presented that way. That's one use for the "speakers2" field. If you're not sure, just ask, or skip that article.

Data should not be displayed with more than two, or at most three, significant figures. Sometimes it should be rounded off to just one significant figure, e.g. when some of the component data used by ''Ethnologue'' has been approximated with one figure (200,000, 3 million, etc.) and the other data has greater precision. For example, a figure of 200,000 for one country and 4,230 for another is really just 200,000 in total, as the 4,230 is within the margin of rounding off in the 200,000. If you want to retain the spurious precision of the number in ''Ethnologue'', you might want to use the {{tl|sigfig}} template. (First parameter in this template is for the data, second is for the number of figures to round it off to.)

Dates will often need to be a range of all the country data in the Ethnologue article. When entering the date range, I often ignore dates from countries that have only a few percent of the population, as often 10% or so of the population isn't even separately listed by ''Ethnologue'' and so is undated anyway.

If ''Ethnologue'' does not provide a date for the bulk of the population, just enter "no date" in the date field. But if the population figure is undated, and hasn't changed between the 17th & 18th editions of ''Ethnologue'', please leave the ref field set to "e17", and maybe add a comment to keep it so that other editors don't change it. In cases like this, the edition of ''Ethnologue'' that the data first appeared in may be our only indication of how old it is. We still cite the 14th edition in a couple dozen articles, so our readers can see that the data is getting old.

The articles in the categories linked above are over 90% of the job. There are probably also articles that do not currently cite Ethnologue, but which we might want to update with the 18th edition. I'll need to generate another category to capture those, probably after most of the ''Ethnologue'' 17 citations are taken care of.

Jump in at the WP:LANG ↗ talk page if you have any comments or concerns. Thanks for any help you can give!

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Deleting sourced material

Why are you using Huggle to delete relevant and sourced material? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding unsigned ↗ comment added by 17.255.236.41 ↗ (talk) 15:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)</small>

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Ida Siekmann

Dear Île, I think current working and wording on Frau Siekmann's Wiki, of 3rd floor vs 4th floor, now works for both Europeans and North Americans. Nobody in NA says "the 3rd floor above the ground", just "4th floor". Let's give it a rest, dude! Brewer Bob (talk) 23:34, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the wording as it is now. But had the article been left as it was before, it would not been clear to a European reader. --Île flottante (talk) 23:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Bürgergemeinden in Swiss nationality law ↗

If the Bürgergemeinde and the bourgeoisie aren't the same, then the distinction between the two should be made clear on the Bürgergemeinde ↗ article.

I still think the term ''bourgeoisie'' would be confusing to someone who isn't familiar with Swiss nationality law. The bourgeoisie ↗ article doesn't seem relevant to contemporary Switzerland. Would you happen to know of any other content on Wikipedia that discusses the bourgeoisie? Clarinetguy097 (talk) 04:59, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hello, we are the archivists at Lombard Odier ↗ in Geneva and wanted to improve the article relating to the bank, which is quite sub-par. We proposed a new version on the talk page ↗, and the editor who replied to us kindly suggested we see with people from the Wikiproject Switzerland, where your user name is listed (we since also made a first round of improvements and fixed some formatting issues): here is the '''new draft'''.

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Hi

Could you give me a valid reason why you persistently keep reverting a logical and perfect section on the Flag of Earth ↗ article. It has plenty of good references, and was used in earlier versions of that article prior to 2018. I have made observations on the revision page, and there appears to be no logical explanation of your actions.

For now it can only be deemed as a personal dislike, which is NOT a good work ethic to be editing on Wikipedia.

Other observations on your user talk page have shown none of your responses to various sections by other users, so could you please respond to this ASAP (ideally within 48 hours). Please be aware depending on your response quality, I may consider this case closed and notify other users of your issue; or it can be escalated further to article protection and possible temporary suspension of your user.

Thanks. Raphael.concorde (talk) 21:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC) User:Raphael.concorde

: As you can see on the page’s edit history and talk page, there are a few editors who felt that the number of private world flags listed was surplus to utility. Of course such matters are a question of personal opinion and therefore it’s always best to engage with others on the talk page. On a side note, I’d add that your use of language is unnecessarily hostile and you talk as if you’re some sort of authority figure. From reading your profile I’ve come to the conclusion that this hostility is probably not intentional and due perhaps to your not being a native speaker of English. Nevertheless, I would friendlily recommend to you that you try to engage with others more amicably; one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar :) Île flottante (talk) 21:16, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi again. I think you may have taken this issue too personally. I was just simply stating the facts. However you haven't answered my question of why you keep reverting such a necessary section. Please could you kindly give me a good reason why you oppose this section. Thank you. Raphael.concorde (talk) 10:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC) User:Raphael.concorde

: As I wrote above and as I wrote on the talk page, I think the number of private , personal world flags lacking an official status was excessive on the page. The flag you’re talking about, whilst apparently mentioned by certain state bodies, is nevertheless unofficial. Of course, such matters are exactly what talk pages are for, so I would warmly invite you to join the discussion currently being held on that page so you can express your opinion on the matter. I see no reason why we wouldn’t all be able to come to an amicable understanding and consensus, in true Wikipedia fashion :) . Have a good day! Île flottante (talk) 11:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Kosovo

Hi. You have reverted twice on Kosovo though it is not allowed to make more than one revert in 24 hours on the article. Please do not revert again. I have already notified an admin about Stevanpesic's behaviour and am expecting their response. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
: I was unaware of that rule. Thanks for the informative message. I tried to revert my revert but the aforementioned user has already reverted me. Have a great day! Île flottante (talk) 12:58, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
::Stevanpesic has already reverted your latest edit. I think they will get sanctioned. Thanks, you have a great day too! Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:04, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Israeli passport ↗

Then please make it correct but also comprehensible, because what was there was not comprehensible. In particular, I still can't make "waive their right to not acquire Israeli nationality" mean anything but "become an Israeli national"; if they waive the right to _not_ acquire it, then presumably they must acquire it. Pinkbeast (talk) 13:45, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Île flottante, I don't think describing this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antisemitism&curid=1078&diff=928451095&oldid=928419854 ↗ edit as reverting "vandalism, unjustified removal of content" is justified. {{ping|Fidelioas}} cited a relevant guideline and provided a reason for removal. Their edit summary may not have best articulated all the reasons for removal, but that's what the talk page is for. Describing their edit as vandalism is very BITEy, and I don't see any reason to assume bad faith with them. All the best, Cjhard (talk) 09:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Question about recent revert on Israel

I would like to seek consensus on removing all the maps from all the country articles. Can you point me to the best place to seek it? I would like the page to be well-watched so we can get input from as many editors as possible. Interstellarity (talk) 23:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
: Hi :) thanks for taking the time to leave a message. I hope my revert didn’t come across in an unfriendly way. The problem with articles like Israel is that they’re super controversial and even minor semantic questions can spill wiki-ink for weeks on the talk pages. I don’t think it’s going to be possible to centralise a discussion like that. Is there a particular reason that the images can’t be used, e.g. for copyright reasons? Île flottante (talk) 23:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
::I noticed that some of the country articles use the map and others don't and I was hoping to get a consensus somewhere on whether the maps should be included for the country. In the future, I prefer that you notify me of this discussion by giving me a ping. Interstellarity (talk) 00:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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A couple of years ago you were involved in discussions at Falkland Islanders ↗. I am going to do a request for comment on the claim you wanted included, as preparation I have prepared a (hopefully) neutral summary of discussions on the page. If you want you can ave a look and see if you think it is neutral, if you feel it is unfair comment on my talk page and I will edit the summary.Boynamedsue (talk) 08:16, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

: Hi IF, thanks for your comment, could I ask a favor? The summary is meant to simply neutrally present the arguments that have been made in a quick way so that new commenters have an idea of the issues without wading through a long bad-tempered discussion. Could I ask you to delete your comment, because if it is left there it will just start another argument which will obscure the issue? I feel your point is covered in my summary, but I could add a sentence to clarify your response. Please respond here or at my talk page? All the best Boynamedsue (talk) 09:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

:: Actually, I think I've found a way to include your comment without causing a problem, hold fire a minute and then have a look at it now. Boynamedsue (talk) 09:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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Anthem of The Republic of China Changed file.

I have changed the .ogg file for the Anthem of the ROC for a better one and have not committed any other edits. I did not Vandalise the Article as I did not change the essence of the Anthem, and it's definitely not a fan-made one. Why was it reverted??!
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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may '''contest the nomination''' by visiting the page ↗ and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines ↗.  <span style="color:navy;">''cyberdog''</span><span style="color:orange;">'''958'''</span><sup><span style="color:teal;">Talk</span></sup> 08:27, 25 November 2025 (UTC)