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You made the comment on Draft:WTF!: Wrestling's Trashiest Fighters ↗: {{tq|This submission is part of a larger effort to get articles about RuPaul's Drag Race episodes restored to the main space. This episode has received in-depth reviews by multiple independent and reliable sources (I've included a few in the table below) and the article is long enough to justify a fork from the season page.}} What is the history? In particular, were these episodes previously in article space, and when? Also, has there been discussion at the season article talk pages?
Robert McClenon (talk) 17:24, 2 January 2026 (UTC)
:@Robert McClenon There have been several discussions at various venues, including here on my user talk page above, but I think these would offer the most helpful context:
:* '''February 2024''': Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Archive_39#RuPaul's_Drag_Race,_season_7_episodes ↗
:* '''November 2025''': Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Archive_41#RuPaul's_Drag_Race_franchise_episodes_and_notability ↗
:* '''November 2025''': User_talk:Another_Believer/Archive_57#AfD ↗
:* '''January 2026''': Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Archive_41#Drag_Race_episodes._Again. ↗
:Yes, many articles were previously in the main space, but I moved them into the draft space voluntarily at the request of others for further development. I have been going through the process of expanding and resubmitting the drafts at AfC. Since November, '''all ~40 '''submitted drafts were accepted by uninvolved editors. I'll say little else and let you and others review the discussions and form your own conclusions. I hope these offer helpful context but let me know if you have other questions. Thanks and Happy New Year! ---<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span> <sub>(<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>)</sub> 17:39, 2 January 2026 (UTC)
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Thank you for responding. I saw a discussion at WikiProject Television ↗ and tried to respond to it, and I think that at least one editor didn't understand what I was trying to say, and I think that I was incorrectly criticized. I had been looking for what was the consensus at the WikiProject about the RuPaul's Drag Race ↗ drafts, and I see that there isn't and won't be a consensus. Unless you ask me to wait, I am about to start accepting the episode drafts, and will let the community decide which of them they think pass episode notability ↗. I was waiting for you to reply at WikiProject Television, but it appears that you are, probably wisely, avoiding involvement in that discussion. Should I go ahead and start accepting the drafts? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:07, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Robert McClenon}} I do not think it is appropriate for me to have an opinion re: how the drafts should be reviewed, or who should review them. I've made it clear I am going to continue submitting drafts at AfC because I am confident there are many notable episodes, despite a couple other editors saying otherwise ad nauseam and as evidenced by the 40+ drafts accepted thus far. In my opinion, all of these episode entries could be improved to resemble {{icon|GA}} "And the Rest Is Drag ↗". I don't understand the determination to prevent this from happening. ---<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span> <sub>(<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>)</sub> 18:47, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
::My opinion, as I have stated at WikiProject Television ↗, is that the project is divided, so that there is no local consensus, and I would prefer to see the decision about notability ↗ made by the community rather than by the lack of a local consensus. As you can see, I have accepted 7 drafts. One is under review by another reviewer. I am not aware of any other episode drafts that are currently waiting for review. If you call my attention to any of them, I will review them. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:32, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
::You write: {{tq|I don't understand the determination to prevent this from happening.}}. I think I understand it well enough to know what I am disagreeing with. First, I think that some editors don't like drag. They generally won't say so. Second, I can see that some editors think that we have too many {{tq|low quality articles}}. I don't think that this category includes the drafts in question, but they may think so. Third, I think that some editors think that episode articles should be a rare exception. We can and do disagree, but I think that is why they are opposed. If they want to know what the community thinks , that is what a consensus process such as AFD ↗ is for. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:32, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:::@Robert McClenon Thanks for being among the 20 editors who have accepted one or more ''Drag Race'' episode drafts. I am pleased to see so many entries restored and I am going to continue expanding and submitting drafts for review. ---<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span> <sub>(<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>)</sub> 14:00, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
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:@Meena Thank you! --<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span> <sub>(<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>)</sub> 13:46, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation ↗: RDR Live! (RuPaul's Drag Race season 16) ↗ has been accepted
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:Thanks again! --<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span> <sub>(<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>)</sub> 21:20, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
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:@Zippybonzo Thank you! --<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span> <sub>(<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>)</sub> 13:27, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
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- Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself ↗ without submitting a draft for review. However, you may continue submitting drafts to Articles for creation ↗ if you prefer.</div>
- Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself ↗ without posting a request to Articles for creation ↗.</div>
'''Next steps'''
- Find other Wikipedia articles related to your topic and add links pointing to the new article ↗. This helps readers find it.
- Group the article with similar subjects by adding relevant categories ↗.
- You may consider nominating a fact from the article ↗ within the next 7 days to appear on the Main Page's Did you know section ↗.
- Wikipedia is a work in progress. You can continue to expand and improve the new article.
- The new article will become eligible to be indexed on search engines ↗ once patrolled or after 90 days; search engines may take time to reflect this.
- For friendly peer support regarding editing, sourcing, or policies, visit the Teahouse ↗, a question and answer hub for new editors.
Robert McClenon (talk) 18:25, 9 July 2026 (UTC)</div><!--Template:AfC accept-->
:@Robert McClenon Thank you! --<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span> <sub>(<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>)</sub> 18:27, 9 July 2026 (UTC)