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Would you have time to check out the Hanzade Sultan (daughter of Ahmed I) ↗ edits concerning the reference for her date of birth ↗? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:38, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{re|Kansas Bear}} Hi, I couldn't find a pdf. Maybe if you know how to find one, I can check. Beshogur (talk) 13:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::I did find this ↗. "Hanzâde Sultan (d.Istanbul, 1607(?)- ö. Istanbul, 23 Eylul 1650)"
::I'm guessing the "d." in Turkish means born.
::Although, this ↗ states Hanzade Sultan b. 1609.
::Maybe you have access to more sources concerning her date of birth? My sincerest thanks, Beshogur! --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{re|User:Kansas Bear}} I still can't see the source but you're right. d. means doğum. To be honest I don't even know 99% of these daughters of sultans, but thanks if you valued my knowledge :D. Beshogur (talk) 19:35, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Ok. Your knowledge allowed me to know that d. means doğum. So that's important. Stay safe Beshogur! --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Emblems of Turkey ↗

Please refrain from making persistent changes. If you believe something is incorrect, you can cite a reliable source or discuss the issue in the Wikipedia community. Kjmıuımım (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{Re|Kjmıuımım}} There is no emblem. Where is your source? Stop edit warring. Beshogur (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::The coat of arms of Türkiye is a de facto symbol, but it doesn't change the fact that the coat of arms exists Kjmıuımım (talk) 16:48, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::The emblem is a de facto act, meaning it has effectively come into effect but is not enshrined in the constitution, and this does not change the fact that Türkiye has a coat of arms. Kjmıuımım (talk) 16:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::This is just nonsense. Beshogur (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Read Article 3 of the Turkish Constitution. Kjmıuımım (talk) 15:57, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It talks about the flag. What are you talking about? Beshogur (talk) 15:58, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::So why isn't the emblem mentioned in the article? Kjmıuımım (talk) 15:59, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A flag is not an emblem/coat of arms. Beshogur (talk) 16:01, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Turkiye has a coat of arms, but it's not official.
::::::Read this; it's mentioned in Turkish books too, and I have one.
::::::https://www.webtekno.com/turkiyenin-neden-resmi-armasi-yok-h154465.html Kjmıuımım (talk) 16:03, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I can't take this serious. Just avoid edit warring please. Beshogur (talk) 16:04, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Read a book. Kjmıuımım (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah this doesn't look like a book. Beshogur (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Recommendation

Good day, I apologize for disturbing you, but I need a recommendation. I would like to add the following text to Aq Qoyunlu's article: {{tqb|Some researchers associate the Oghuz dialect spoken by the Ak Koyunlu with the Azerbaijani language. For example, Vladimir Mirnovsky mentions that the Southern Oghuz dialect of the Ak Koyunlu is what is now called the Azerbaijani language.<ref>{{cite book |last1=Minorsky |first1=V. |url=https://archive.org/details/dli.ministry.25478 |title=A catalogue of the Turkish manuscripts and miniatures |date=1958 |publisher=Hodge Figgis, Dublin |pages=xxxi, 1–2 |quote=p.xxxi: "The divan of Hidayat (N o. 401), as pointed out in its description, is one of the rare literary works written under the Turcoman dynasty of Aq-qoyunlu: only one other copy of Hidayat's poems is known." pp.1-2: "The Turkish of Amir Hidayat is undoubtedly a ‘southern Turkish’ dialect, as used by Turcoman tribes. Dialectically it belongs to the same class as the divans of Jahan-shah Qara-qoyunlu, Khata’i ( = Shah Isma'il), Fudull, &c. The current designation of this dialect is ‘Azarbayjan Turkish', but it is spoken by the Turkish tribes of Transcaucasia, Persia, as well as those of Eastern Turkey and Mesopotamia." (...) "The divan has considerable poetical merits. Although the author imitates the Persian style, and although there are many Persian elements in his vocabulary, he wields his own tongue with elegance, using peculiar grammatical forms and idiomatic expressions. (...) PROVENANCE. Inscription in rosettes on ff. \b and 2a runs: ‘For the library of the Great Sultan, the Ruler of the Nations, the Arm of the State, of the World and of the Faith, Abul-Fath Sultan Khalil Bahadur Khan, may God prolong his reign.’ The title corresponds to that of the Aq-qoyunlu ruler Khalil, son of Uzun-Hasan."}}</ref><ref name="BWR2">{{cite book |last1=Robinson |first1=Basil William |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Th7WAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA20 |title=Studies in Persian Art, Volume 1 |date=1993 |publisher=Pindar Press |isbn=978-0-907132-43-1 |page=20 |language=en |quote=... An exquisite little volume in the Chester Beatty Library (MS 401) containing a rare text in Azarbayjani Turkish of the Diwān of Hidayat. This contains four miniatures each depicting Khalil in some characteristic situation holding court in a garden, giving audience from his palace balcony, on a hawking expedition, and relaxing in a vinery. They are of superb execution, with typical Turkman figures, small, round-faced, and rather child-like, with turbans set high on their heads.}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Clauson |first1=Gerard |date=April 1959 |title=The Chester Beatty Library. A Catalogue op the Turkish Manuscripts and Miniatures. By V. Minorsky, with an Introduction by the late J. V. S. Wilkinson. pp. xxxvi + 145, 43 plates (3 coloured). Dublin, Hodges Figgis and Co., Ltd., 1958. |journal=Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society |volume=91 |issue=1–2 |pages=54–55 |doi=10.1017/S0035869X00117733 |quote=one, the Divan of Hidayat (one of only two known copies) is in an interesting fifteenth century Turkmen (Ak-koyunlu) dialect.}}</ref>Mohsen Behramnejad describes the Azerbaijani language as a language inherited from the Ak Koyunlu Turkmen tribes .<ref>M. Behramnejad, «Karakoyunlular, Akkoyunlular: İran ve Anadoluda Türkmen Hanedanları ↗» (in Turkish) ISBN:9786057635280 p. 14: Karakoyunlu ve Akkoyunlu Türkmenlerinin bölgedeki hakimiyetleri sonucunda birçok Türkmen aşiret bölgeye yerleşmiş, bunların bakiyeleri tarafından İran'da Safevî Devleti teşkil edilmiştir. Bugün Doğu Anadolu'nun bir kısmında başta Iğdır, Kars, İran ve Azerbaycan'da kullanılan Azerice denilen doğu Oğuz veya Türkmen lehçesi bunlardan bize kalan önemli miraslardır. (Translation from Turkish to English): As a result of the Karakoyunlu and Akkoyunlu Turkmen dominance in the region, many Turkmen tribes settled there, and the Safavid State in Iran was established by the remnants of these tribes. The Eastern Oghuz or Turkmen dialect called Azeri, spoken today in parts of Eastern Anatolia, primarily in Iğdır and Kars, as well as in Iran and Azerbaijan, is one of the important legacies left to us by these tribes.</ref> The Akkoyunlu sultan Yaqubda wrote poems in the Azerbaijani language.<ref>Javadi, H.; Burrill, K. (24 May 2012). "AZERBAIJAN x. Azeri Turkish Literature ↗". Encyclopaedia Iranica</ref>}} Will me writing this cause a non-WP:GSAA user problem? Or will there be no problem with me writing it? Etruksian (talk) 10:07, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Re|Etruksian}} I don't have a clue. Sorry. Beshogur (talk) 11:14, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
::I understand, thank you for clarifying. Etruksian (talk) 11:20, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

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Discussion at Talk:Ahmed al-Sharaa § RfC on the term “Assad” ↗

25px|link=|alt= ↗ You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ahmed al-Sharaa § RfC on the term “Assad” ↗.  HurricaneEdgar ↗ 13:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Can I have edit priv?

I see that you sir are based. I happen to have a slight issue here with the pro-Ukrainians, as they have banned one of my subordinate accounts for suggesting a simple edit to promote neutrality. Can you please give me edit privileges so I can respond to them in kind? Thank you brother. GLORIARUSSIYA (talk) 05:16, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Aziz Yıldırım - Club's honours

"You've edited the page sayin' 'The club's honours don't matter for this page.' But if you take a proper gander at other football chairmen's pages—like Dursun Özbek ↗, Florentino Pérez ↗, or Joan Laporta ↗—they've all got a 'honours' section clear as day. Fancy sorting out those pages I mentioned too before you come over here messing with this one?" ~2026-34054-94 ↗ (talk) 08:55, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

''stop edit warring. warned''

As I've made perfectly clear before, all these unnecessary actions on a Wikipedia page attributed to someone who has served, or is still serving, as the chairman of a sports/football club — a position for which there are plenty of precedents — simply make no sense whatsoever. And yet, without the slightest hesitation, you describe this as an "edit war". What you're doing is certainly not a constructive edit. You ought to be making a proper contribution here.

I was previously an approved Wikipedia editor myself. I later stopped contributing and closed my account. But looking at what's going on now, it seems I may have to come back and deal with people carrying out pointless actions such as yours.

My intention is not, as you suggest, to start a "war". I'll leave that judgement to the other editors who can see what's been happening. ~2026-34054-94 ↗ (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

:Closed or blocked? Stop playing games. It is trivial and I don't care about other articles. Beshogur (talk) 20:17, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Edit war ?

i wonder if you'll block urself for edit warring like you did to me. You deleted my reliable source just because you wanted to and keep reverting my edits without explaining why Sryccl (talk) 15:46, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

:Because there is no reason to place "Azerbaijani/ Azerbaijani Turkic" and randomly add another citation, while there are two. It does add 0 value. Beshogur (talk) 17:33, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
::People use wikipedia to learn information. Most people probably don't know what "Azerbaijani" is but writing "Azerbaijani Turkic" makes it clearer so there's no reason to remove it. Also, if you think fewer sources are enough, then remove the other one too Sryccl (talk) 18:23, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Edit summaries

''Regarding your reversions on Chagatai language ↗: diff 1 ↗, diff 2 ↗:''

Hiya, please don't use edit summaries to discuss. Discussion should take place on talk pages ↗, while edit summaries ↗ should describe what an edit changes and why.
If you had just asked me 'what do you mean "what language is this?"', then I could have clarified and we wouldn't have needed to go back and forth editing the article.

I agree about "Kaşğar tılı" though. For reference, this is the edit that added it ↗.

Thanks — W.andrea (talk) 19:15, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

:{{re|W.andrea}} Sorry but logically what language could it be? It's quite useless tag. Did you know, linguists can romanize/latinize another script? Today you learned. Congratulations. Next time please, try to find the original reference. It's quite easy. Google: "chagatay manual eckmann", and the first link ↗ here. That's how wikipedia works. Thanks for your understanding. And I tried to fix it for you, hopefully you are pleased with this. Beshogur (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
::{{tqb|That's how wikipedia works}} Don't be condescending. I won't reply to a rude message. I'm willing to continue discussing this, but only if you retract the rude parts of your message, like by striking them out. — W.andrea (talk) 23:59, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Your newer edit summary ↗ was accusatory, condescending, and still continued discussing (as well as this one ↗). Again, edit summaries should describe what your edit changes and why. They should also be neutral in tone. Please read {{slink|WP:Civility#Edit_summary_dos_and_don'ts}}. Note that all editors are expected to follow the civility policy.
Keep in mind that rudeness may drive away other Wikipedia contributors.
— W.andrea (talk) 00:21, 25 June 2026 (UTC) '''edited 00:43'''

:I'm not here to argue, focus on the topic. Beshogur (talk) 08:31, 25 June 2026 (UTC)