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Bob Joy



I was looking at doing something with his obituary, and then I saw your sandbox. That looks better than most “real” articles already.

One very important part of his career, IMO, was his refusal to give undue medical sanction to parts of the Army Weight Control Program. It probably capped his rank at Colonel. Dunno where one would find cites for it, though. Qwirkle (talk) 15:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Ways to improve Robert J. T. Joy



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Hi Don, I don't know if any of the pages you are keeping an eye on are protected under WP:Pending Changes ↗, but I've set your account as a Peding Changes reviewer as it is likely to be useful at some point. ''<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span><span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span><span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span>'' 23:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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:Thank you! Next on my list is the US Army Health Services Group, Vietnam . . .Don.H.40 (talk) 05:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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Don.H.40/sandbox ↗ moved to draftspace



An article you recently created, Don.H.40/sandbox ↗, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable ↗, independent sources ↗. <small>(? ↗)</small> Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability ↗ is of central importance ↗ on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace ↗ (with a prefix of "<code>Draft:</code>" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline ↗ and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Dan arndt (talk) 03:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I have added a “too many primary sources” banner at the top of the article; I was also carful as I added material from government documents and webpages to “remove the adjectives” as I like to call it. But if I relied on secondary and tertiary sources alone, the article would be about 5 paragraphs long, absent reprinting material that already appears in the articles on Charles L. Kelly ↗ and Patrick Henry Brady ↗. I’m not quite sure why it kicked to draft instead of publishing in the first place, except that somebody appears to have attempted to have written an article with the same title in ~2009. My other articles have gone straight to publication. Don.H.40 (talk) 04:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started



Hello, Don.H.40. Thank you for your work on 57th Medical Detachment ↗. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process ↗, had the following comments:

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:Thanks. The Army Medical aviation community members I have shown it to have viewed it favorably. But it still has some holes. I took it "hot" this evening.Don.H.40 (talk) 02:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

57th Medical Detachment



I just noticed a curious thing about the article. All the dates appear to be in the day month year style but it is about a US Army unit. Shouldn't the dates all be month day, year? CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva ↗ 21:15, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

:Military units, including in the US, typically use the day, month, year format. It leaves less room for error. And I believe it's a Wikipedia convention as well. Don.H.40 (talk) 23:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'd not noticed that before but I see it covered at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Strong national ties to a topic ↗. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva ↗ 00:50, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello, Don.H.40. I noticed that your recent edit to :44th Medical Brigade ↗ added a link to an image on an external website or on your computer, or to a file name that does not exist on Wikipedia's server. For technical and policy reasons it is not possible to use images from external sources on Wikipedia. Most images you find on the internet are copyrighted and cannot be used on Wikipedia, or their use is subject to certain restrictions ↗. If the image meets Wikipedia's image use policy ↗, consider uploading it ↗ to Wikipedia yourself or request that someone else upload it ↗. See the image tutorial ↗ to learn about wiki syntax used for images. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-uploadfirst --> '''''Sumanuil.''''' ↗ 03:49, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

:I was in the process of uploading it when you flagged it and deleted the link to the image. I normally create the link, then upload the image so everything matches. Which explains why, when I went to view the image on the page, it wasn't there--I couldn't figure it out. I'm not new at this, or at uploading images to the 44th's page. It's all uploaded now. Don.H.40 (talk) 04:06, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Next time, please upload it first. That way there will be no room for misunderstandings. '''''Sumanuil.''''' ↗ 04:48, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

:OK. But it was literally one minute after I posted the link that you deleted it . . . :-)Don.H.40 (talk) 18:22, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

I just happened to refresh Category:Articles with missing files right when you hit publish. '''''Sumanuil.''''' ↗ 23:10, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

:It’s all good. Purely coincidence. I once got a parking ticket during the minute I was standing in line to feed the machine that you paid for parking. It was just a shocker when I finished uploading the image to commons and went to view it on the page and there was no link to it . . . :-)Don.H.40 (talk) 00:46, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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:The photo is clipped from Col Ideaus's periodic official photo. These are head to foot photos taken against a neutral background used for official purposes like promotion boards, etc. It was taken by a U.S. Government employee at a photo studio on a U.S. military installation and cropped to provide a "head and shoulders" version of the photo for use on the "dustoff.org" website. The photo itself is tagged as the work of a U.S. government employee (although it may have been the work of a contractor as a "work-for-hire") and is not subject to copyright control. The Dustoff Association executive director said I could use the picture from their website, although they did not originally produce the photo. Don.H.40 (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

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:I don't know what you want. The photo was literally sent to me by the 1st Medical Brigade staff. It's an official command photo, taken at the photo studio at Fort Hood, Texas. Since Col Darden has been retired for several years, they took his (and several other) photos off the wall and scanned them for me. Trust me, having spent 30 years as an Army officer and haven had a couple of these photos taken myself, you don't pack up your uniform and unit colors and head off to a private photographer to have a portrait taken--it was either taken by a government employee or a contractor as a work-for-hire, and is not copyrighted--it's a work of the U.S. Army--which is how I flagged it in the copyright section. Who teh actual photographer is is unknown. Don.H.40 (talk) 23:18, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

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:Yeah, I didn't get fully through it last night, or I would have. But I normally don't put a reference on each line of a lineage and honors certificate, just the first line of each section. I'll add it now.Don.H.40 (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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:Yeah, I know. I downloaded it four years ago for a different project (a database of AMEDD General Officers) when he was first selected for Brigadier General. It probably came from the 18th Medical Command website, but I can't say for sure. I'll probably just replace it with a picture of him as a BG. Don.H.40 (talk) 04:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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Hi again Don.H.40. :File:US Army Colonel Elmer Michael Casey Jr.jpeg ↗ actually is a harder file to assess because (1) it's not sourced to an official US government website and (2) it's actually a photo of a photo per se without any information about the original :provenance ↗ of the photo. It would be much better if you could find a better source for this (i.e. an official US government website or perhaps another website which provides more information about the origin of the photo). -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:54, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, I know. The problem is that these pictures don't show up on government websites. Many were purged as a security measure after 9/11, and his position was too low to show up anyway--and it predates when the hospital would have had a website.
:However--I've got 43 years working in Army medicine--30 of it in uniform. It is a formal Army portrait taken in an Army photo studio. You can tell by the Madigan Army Medical Center flag behind him (you can just see the word "Center," but it's the proper format and tone for a black and white photo of a hospital flag.
:And in 43 years, I've never known ANYONE who went downtown and had a private photographer take a portrait like this. It's just not done. I've had three taken of me in my career (two when I was commanding different organizations, and once when I was a G-3), and they were all taken in an Army photo studio.
:I've bought dozens of similar photos on e-Bay--so I can use them on things like this (unfortunately not of him) and they're all official photos, stamped on the back as such.
:If it had been posted on FindaGrave, I would contact the individual who posted it and ask for a copy of the back. But this one, unfortunately, came from the obituary, and was carried over to FindaGrave.
:It's a government made-photo. I guarantee it. Don.H.40 (talk) 04:30, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Don.H.40, I did not tag your article for deletion, only the cross-namespace redirect from the Wikipedia namespace. The article should be at 338th Medical Brigade ↗ instead of Wikipedia:338th Medical Brigade ↗, since pages starting with "Wikipedia:" are supposed to be internal project pages instead of articles. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:05, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:OK, thanks. Appreciate it. Don.H.40 (talk) 04:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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