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Thanks...

You learn something new every day ↗... - Adolphus79 (talk) 05:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Disabled, Not Half a Human Being ↗

Hello, Dorian Gray Wild,

If you don't know, well, זור987 now has an interaction ban to prevent them from interacting with you or articles that you created. Looking through their contributions, I see they have tried to get a lot of your articles deleted here and on other projects. This article was PROD'd which means it can be restored upon request but when I looked at the last version, it was poorly sourced. I can restore it to Draft or User space if you'd like to continue to improve it but I think it might be tagged for an AFD discussion if it is put back into main space in the condition it was in when it was deleted.

Would you like to continue to work on this article or have you moved on to pursue other work on the project? Just let me know. '''''L'''''iz '''''Read!''''' ↗ '''''Talk!''''' 22:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

:Dear Liz,
:Thank you for your nice addressing.
:I did not notice that you were an admin. Now things are much more clear, like your dealing with Meta, but not with the He WP. Sorry for my disinvolvement. {{Smiley}}
:Thank you for '''merging''' the deleted article into User:Dorian Gray Wild/Disabled, Not Half a Human Being.
:The name of this organization refers to WP:EN ↗ as well as Brazilian Association for Self-Defense ↗. I asked you it in the email which I sent. If I get no reply in a week, I will edit Alex Fridman ↗, and you may restore if needed.
:Thank you again, '''Dgw'''|Talk 14:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
::I'm not that acquainted with merging articles. I'll restore it to you User space and then see what I can do. As for email, give me a bit more time, I don't check email very often but I'll look tomorrow. '''''L'''''iz '''''Read!''''' ↗ '''''Talk!''''' 05:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{done}} Wasn't so hard after all! '''''L'''''iz '''''Read!''''' ↗ '''''Talk!''''' 05:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much, Liz! The merge was useful, because I saw this ↗ deletion. I am '''not''' 2A02:14F:2:58FF:3537:E017:F209:22F8. It seems that they were Hanan Tal. I am not so involved with this organization.
::::Please hide this edit summary, because no chekuser ↗ has been applied, and it is a severe accusation.
::::The subject of the email is WP:English.
::::Thank you, '''Dgw'''|Talk 09:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays DGW!

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'''Hello Dorian Gray Wild, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion ↗. Spread the WikiLove ↗ by wishing another user a Merry Christmas ↗ and a Happy New Year ↗, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Happy editing,'''
Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 15:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

''{{resize|96%|Spread the love by adding {{tls|Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.}}''
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Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you so much, {{noping|Gooners Fan in North London}}! I copied it to my user page! {{smily}} '''Dgw'''|Talk 21:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

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'''Hello Dorian Gray Wild:''' Enjoy the '''holiday season ↗''' and '''winter solstice ↗''' if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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<div style="padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 1em; font-size: 88%; font-style: italic">Spread the WikiLove; use {{tls|Season's Greetings}} to send this message</div>{{-}} Abishe (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you so much, {{noping|Abishe}}! I copied it to my user page {{smily}} '''Dgw'''|Talk 21:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Notice

Hello, Dorian Gray Wild,

In case you were not aware of it, זור987 was indefinitely blocked from the English Wikipedia in January after this discussion, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1176#User trolling and tracking me ↗. So, at least on this project, you don't need to worry about them harrassing you any longer. Happy editing. '''''L'''''iz '''''Read!''''' ↗ '''''Talk!''''' 05:12, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

A letter

Hello {{np|Tamzin}},

As you might know, yesterday a letter was sent to the WMF. 
The letter inquired about the ARBPIA ↗ and requested the i.p. of involved parties, as it wrote: {{tq|Records showing identifying and unique characteristics of accounts (such as names, IP addresses, registration dates, user activity logs) for editors subject to actions by ArbCom.}}

Therefore, I ask you to '''remove''' my name from this log ↗. I do not want to reveal my i.p. nor any other log.

I suggested an image for deletion which was advertised following the policy of Hamas ↗. Unluckily, your interpretation was that I "claimed" against the policy of the user who uploaded it, and they were TBANed. "TBAN" might cause the wrong interpretation, but I meant that Hamas made the picture, not the uploader. The TBAN was an additional reason to delete the image, not the main reason. The main reason was Hamas policy, and the letter wrote it: {{tq|Editing for Hate: How Anti-Israel and Anti-Jewish Bias Undermines Wikipedia’s Neutrality, ADL, (MAR. 18, 2025), <nowiki>https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-israel-and-anti-jewish-bias-undermines-wikipedias-neutrality</nowiki>}}.

On the 7th of October, Hamas was aimed at the Israeli population (as well as foreign citizens ↗ and Muslims ↗), not at the Gazan population.

Therefore, I ask you also to void the editing restriction, which was '''unlimited''' as you wrote. '''Dgw'''|Talk 20:45, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Tamzin, I am quite sure you have seen it ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 22:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, DGW. FYI, the {{tl|np}} template means "no ping". I didn't get your ping above, and only happened to notice your latest edit to this section in my watchlist. Use <code><nowiki>Tamzin</nowiki></code> or {{tlx|ping|Tamzin}} to ping, or the @ dialog built into the Reply Tool.{{pb}}I doubt Congress is going to be able to get your IP (as far as I know, they haven't even formally subpoena ↗ed it), but if the courts do allow that, I'm afraid it will make no difference whether I remove your name from the AE log, since you have already been "subject to [an] action[&hairsp;] by ArbCom" (at least, under the theory that AE actions are defined as an extension of ArbCom actions), and removing the log wouldn't change that. If you have concerns about this, you should talk to the Wikimedia Foundation's legal department; there isn't anything I can do as a local admin to decrease the likelihood of your IP being subpoenaed.{{pb}}I can give some general advice, though: CheckUser records only go back 90 days. As I understand it, the WMF will checkuser a user to preserve their IP for the records once they receive a formal request, but the breadth of Congress' request makes me guess (and this is just a guess) that they haven't done so yet. So, if you're really worried about having your IP turned over, you should stop editing from any IPs that could be traced back to you, or even stop editing at all; if you don't get CU'd in the next 90 days, then there's nothing for the WMF to turn over even if forced to. Also, make sure your email address in Special:Preferences ↗ isn't one that ties back to you. For maximum security you'd want something like a Proton Mail ↗ account, the inbox of which you only access through a VPN that doesn't keep logs.{{pb}}If you wish to appeal the balanced editing restriction, you can follow the instructions I gave previously ↗. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 05:58, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi Tamzin,
:::Following the points which I wrote here ↗, it became clear that I have '''not''' supported Hamas. Since Comer ↗ and Mace ↗ are convinced that I am '''not''' a part of their investigation, my ArbCom log is less relevant.
:::Mace may feel empathy for Naama Levy's picture ↗ after Mace's speech at the Congress ↗, which was also accepted by court. I have noticed that Mace's article is not updated regarding the court decision ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 18:21, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
::::It is not very helpful: 1 ↗, 2 ↗ (log1 ↗, log2 ↗).
::::Also, the article about Mace ↗ has not been updated yet. '''Dgw'''|Talk 07:50, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::#An update ↗ from Globes ↗.
:::::#An update ↗ from Makor Rishon ↗.
:::::#An update ↗ from Ynet ↗.
:::::#An update ↗ from Le Point ↗.
:::::#Al Jazeera ↗ did not report it, but reported killing journalists by Israel ↗. The Minister of Communications ↗ seized and blocked ↗ Al Jazeera in Israel. '''Dgw'''|Talk 00:18, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Please see also it, it ↗ and it ↗.
::::::::Editing other userpages as well as creating a bot without an approval as a second account in the case of the main account being blocked, is not allowed ↗ on the English Wikipedia. '''Dgw'''|Talk 19:12, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Hamas ↗ does not have immunity ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 17:22, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
:::I did not know the cobra effect ↗. {{np|EPIC}} mentioned ↗ it, dealing with {{np|Htawmonzel|咽頭べさ}} which blocked each other.
:::The British government, concerned about the number of venomous cobras in Delhi ↗, offered a bounty for every dead cobra ↗. Initially, this was a successful strategy; large numbers of snakes were killed for the reward. Eventually, people began to breed cobras for the income. When the government became aware of this, the reward program was scrapped. The cobra breeders set their snakes free, leading to an overall increase in the wild cobra population.
:::Blacklisting me indefinitely, as written here ↗, for nominating a BLP ↗'s image ↗ was a result of this effect. No AE ↗ has been submitted due to the reply here ↗: accusing a user of translating articles to another project, which has a "different policy". '''Dgw'''|Talk 21:42, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
::::Please see also it ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 21:56, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::Elizabeth Tsurkov ↗ is a Wikipedian ↗. It is approved ↗ in the City Square by {{np|ביקורת}}, an admin for 9.33 years and a bureaucrat for 7.75 years. She was also a Hebrew Wikipedia administrator and an arbitrator for article disputes. '''Dgw'''|Talk 09:38, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
::::::Naama's speech ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 18:02, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::::'''The end of edit wars''' ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 23:36, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

:On September 2, 2025, IDF ↗ Radio (Galei Tzahal ↗) military correspondent {{ill|Doron Kadosh|he|דורון קדוש}} reported details regarding Hamas ↗' propaganda and psychological warfare apparatus in Gaza:
#The apparatus included about 1,500 operatives – twice the number of regular IDF personnel serving in the equivalent units (IDF Spokesperson's Unit and the Influence Department). During Operation Protective Edge ↗, the apparatus consisted of about 400 operatives, meaning it has quadrupled in size within a decade.
#About 1,000 of these operatives are "field propagandists" embedded within Hamas battalions and brigades. Each battalion and brigade in Hamas' military wing has a propaganda officer representing Abu Obaida ↗, who coordinates psychological warfare efforts. Under him are trained "operational documenters" specializing in field photography. In recent years, Abu Obaida oversaw large-scale procurement of GoPro cameras, protective gear for cameras, carrying cases, and batteries.
#Every Hamas battalion and brigade maintains a local "propaganda operations room", where video editors create propaganda videos. Every Hamas video showing guerrilla activity against Israeli forces originates there: the field documenter joins a Hamas squad with a camera, transmitting the footage live to the operations room. Even if the squad is eliminated, the footage remains and can be turned into a propaganda product. The apparatus's guiding motto is: the documentation matters more than the action itself. Throughout the war, the IDF struck many of these propaganda operations rooms, but Hamas repeatedly relocated them – to schools, hospitals, and other sites. All that is needed is a laptop with internet access.
#Another 400 operatives staff centralized "war rooms" across the Gaza Strip. Some are video editors producing Hamas propaganda videos, while others are "monitors" who follow Israeli media, track public discourse trends in Israel, and propose propaganda initiatives accordingly.
#Abu Obaida was personally involved in every Hamas battle procedure. No Hamas military action in recent years – during Operation Defensive Shield ↗, the "Great March of Return ↗", Operation Guardian of the Walls ↗, or October 7 – took place without a formal battle plan and an approved propaganda strategy designed by him. Israeli security officials have stated this psychological warfare apparatus was one of Hamas’s most effective weapons, which is why Abu Obaida invested so heavily in it. Today, no Hamas operation is carried out without its propaganda component.
#Abu Obaida personally managed and invested in the psychological warfare campaign around the hostages. He initiated and oversaw the hostage videos used to influence Israeli decision-making. He decided which hostages would appear, what they would say, and how they would be filmed. He often surrounded himself with hostages, making it difficult to target him during the war without endangering captives. In the strike that killed him this week, Israeli intelligence took great care to confirm no hostages were harmed.
#During the latest prisoner exchange ceremonies, Abu Obaida personally led the propaganda efforts. He attended the ceremonies, briefing the hostages beforehand on what to say and do (he reportedly spoke Hebrew well). Even the distribution of "release certificates" to the hostages at these events was his brainchild.
#To date, the IDF has killed over 200 members of Hamas's propaganda apparatus, most of them commanders, but more than 1,000 operatives remain active.
:The source for Kadosh's report is available here ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 22:41, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::This alert ↗ violates WP:POINT ↗. Please see here ↗: ArbCom ↗, especially this: {{tq|"In the 14+ years I have edited in the ARBPIA ↗ area, the rules for editing have become more and more Byzantine. I don't know anyone who fully understands all the rules anymore, I certainly don't. 23:07, 16 October 2019"}}. '''Dgw'''|Talk 02:02, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
:::It was reported ↗ in the news ↗. This template ↗ is against this decision ↗. Therefore, they have to be TBAN ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 23:56, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

A second letter

A second letter ↗ was sent from the U.S. Senator ↗ Ted Cruz ↗ (Texas), chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee ↗, to the Wikimedia CEO Maryana Iskander ↗.

A brief summary of the letter was written here ↗ in Hebrew (I did '''not''' use this LLM ↗) as well as its full text.

The relevant text from the letter is here:
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{{tq|הטיה בולטת במיוחד ברשימת המקורות האמינים/הקבועים (reliable/perennial sources), המאגדת את "הקונצנזוס ↗" של קהילת העורכים לגבי מהימנות מקורות כמו גופי חדשות, עמותות ואתרים. ויקיפדיה מדרגת את MSNBC ↗ ו-CNN ↗ כ"מקורות אמינים בדרך כלל", בעוד ש-Fox News ↗ מוגדרת "בלתי אמינה בדרך כלל" עבור פוליטיקה ומדע. יש ראיות מפורטות לקיומו של קמפיין עריכה מתואם לדחיפת תוכן אנטישמי בפלטפורמה. באמצעות יותר מ-1.5 מיליון עריכות בעשור האחרון, קבוצת עורכים מתואמת דחפה נרטיבים אנטישמיים בוויקיפדיה תוך הלבנת פעילות של ארגונים כמו חמאס ↗. לא היו אלה "שינויים אורגניים המתרחשים בוויקיפדיה ככל שעורכים מעדכנים דפים כדי לשקף הבנות מתפתחות של סוגיות מורכבות", אלא "תכנית מתואמת ארוכת-שנים שכללה הפרות חמורות של מדיניות הניטרליות של ויקיפדיה". תקנון הסנאט מעניק לוועדת המסחר, המדע והתחבורה סמכות שיפוטית על תקשורת, לרבות פלטפורמות מידע מקוונות. 3. ספקו רשימה עם תיאורים של כל תיקי ArbCom ↗ שעסקו בהטיה פוליטית או אידאולוגית בתוכן ויקיפדיה או בפרקטיקות עריכה מאז 1 בינואר 2020. 4. צרפו מסמכים המספקים תמונה מספקת של כל תיקון, הבהרה, סקירה או ניתוח של מדיניות NPOV ↗ של ויקיפדיה, לרבות פרוטוקולים, מצגות או דיוני צוות של דירקטוריון קרן ויקימדיה המעריכים את המדיניות. 5. צרפו מסמכים המספקים תמונה מספקת של האופן שבו קרן ויקימדיה או קהילת ויקיפדיה קובעות את סיווג המקורות ברשימת ה-reliable/perennial sources ↗. 6. צרפו מסמכים המספקים תמונה מספקת של מדיניות הקרן להסרת או חסימת חברי קהילת העורכים, לרבות באילו נסיבות ובאילו הליכים נדרשת הסרת עורך ↗ או מפעיל מערכת ↗.
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The LLM also analyzed ↗ the blocking in Wikipedia (I did not make it either):
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{{tq|מאז 7 באוקטובר 2023 ועד היום (אמצע אוקטובר 2025) נחסמו לצמיתות (חסימה ללא הגבלת זמן) בוויקיפדיה האנגלית עשרות אלפי משתמשים. לשם קנה מידה, בשנת 2024 לבדה נחסמו לפחות 74,608 חשבונות משתמש (חסימות לזמן כלשהו, כולל לצמיתות). עיון בסיבות החסימה מגלה כמה קטגוריות עיקריות: עריכה מנוגדת למדיניות (תחומי תוכן רגישים ↗): קטגוריה חשובה בתקופה הזו קשורה לעריכות בנושאים פוליטיים נפיצים ↗, שבהן משתמשים נחסמו עקב דפוס של הטיית תוכן, מלחמות עריכה והתעלמות מכללי ניטרליות. למשל, במהלך מלחמת ישראל–חמאס 2023 זוהו מספר עורכים שעסקו בעריכות שנויות במחלוקת בנושאי הסכסוך, וחלקם נחסמו לצמיתות בשל התנהגות משבשת וחוסר ניטרליות. במקרה הבולט ביותר, קבעה ועדת הבוררות של ויקיפדיה (ArbCom) כי קבוצת עורכים עסקה ב"'''התנהגות משבשת ועיוות מקורות'''" בערכים הנוגעים לסכסוך הישראלי-פלסטיני. אותם משתמשים הפרו שוב ושוב את כללי ההתנהלות (למשל על ידי העלבות אישיות או שימוש מניפולטיבי במקורות) והובילו להטיית ערכים – מה שהביא לחסימתם הממושכת. באופן כללי, מלחמות עריכה אידאולוגיות מהוות עילה לחסימה כאשר עורך שם את קידום האג'נדה מעל כתיבת אנציקלופדיה ניטרלית, דבר ש"פוגע גם בתוכן וגם בסביבת העבודה השיתופית" כפי שנימק אחד הבוררים בהחלטתו. החל מה-7 באוקטובר 2023 (מועד פרוץ מלחמת חרבות ברזל), הייתה התגייסות גדולה של עורכים לעדכן ולשנות ערכים הקשורים למלחמה ולסכסוך הישראלי-פלסטיני. בתוך גל העריכות העצום הזה, בלטו גם מספר משתמשים שמיקדו את פעילותם בערכים על הסכסוך, המלחמה, ההיסטוריה של ישראל והעם היהודי, וערכים משיקים. לדוגמה, 8 משתמשים בכירים (משני צידי המתרס האידאולוגי) זוהו כמי שערכו באופן כבד ערכים על הסכסוך הישראלי-פלסטיני – עד כדי כך שוועדת הבוררות הטילה עליהם הגבלות גורפות באותו תחום. שישה מבין המשתמשים הללו הגיעו מרקע פרו-פלסטיני ושניים מזוהו כפרו-ישראלים, וכל השמונה היו מעורבים מאוד בערכי הסכסוך (ערכים על המלחמה בעזה, ההיסטוריה של הסכסוך, אישים וארגונים משני הצדדים). לפני חסימתם, תרומתם התמקדה בעיקר בערכים אלו: למשל, בערך על הציונות, בערכים הסוקרים את מלחמות ישראל-ערב, ערכים על חמאס והפת"ח, ועוד – ערכים שבהם התרחשו מחיקות והוספות של פסקאות שנויות במחלוקת מבחינת זווית הכתיבה. עיתונות חיצונית ציינה שמשתמשים אלו שכתבו מחדש נרטיבים מרכזיים: הם הסירו אזכורים למסמכים אנטישמיים (כמו אמנת חמאס הקוראת להשמדת ישראל) בערכים רלוונטיים, הציגו את הציונות בהקשרים של גזענות וקולוניאליזם, וטישטשו תכנים על פיגועי טרור או על שיתוף פעולה פלסטיני עם הנאצים. חלקם אף עברו על פני מאות ערכים היסטוריים כדי לשנות טרמינולוגיה ונקודות מבט – למשל, לעדכן את שם "מלחמת העצמאות ↗" לכינוי חלופי ↗ מנקודת מבט פלסטינית. בקבוצה שתואמה מחוץ לאתר ראו שלעיתים כמה משתמשים שונים הכניסו במקביל שינויים דומים באותו ערך – מה שמעיד על עבודת צוות מכוונת. דפוסים כאלה הקלו על הקהילה בסופו של דבר לקשר ביניהם ולזהות שמדובר במאמץ מתוזמר ולא בעורכים בודדים שפועלים במקרה באופן דומה. מבקרים מהצד הפרו-פלסטיני והביקורתי כלפי ישראל טוענים שהחסימות מעידות על אפליה פוליטית וצנזורה בתוך ויקיפדיה. לפי טענות אלו, כאשר מדובר בסוגיה הפלסטינית חלים סטנדרטים מחמירים יותר והשתקה מהירה יותר של קולות פרו-פלסטיניים – תופעה שכונתה על ידי פעילים "יוצא מן הכלל פלסטיני" (Palestine Exception ↗), כלומר חריגה מעקרון חופש הביטוי בכל הנוגע לפלסטין. לאחר 7 באוקטובר 2023, וביתר שאת במהלך המלחמה, נשמעו ברשתות החברתיות ובכלי תקשורת ערביים טענות כי יש גל של דיכוי ביטויים פרו-פלסטיניים – מחיקת פוסטים, השעיית חשבונות, וגם חסימות בוויקיפדיה – כתוצאה מלחץ מוסדי או דעת קהל מערבית. בהקשר הוויקיפדי, התומכים בטענה זו מצביעים על כך ש-6 מתוך 8 החסומים בפרשת הסכסוך היו מהצד הפרו-פלסטיני, ועל כך שדיונים קהילתיים רבים בוויקיפדיה נשלטים (לדבריהם) על ידי עורכים פרו-מערביים.}}</div>

The Israeli news media ↗ also wrote ↗ on 10 October 2025 about the bias against Israel. It was written also in English: 1 ↗, 2 ↗. '''Dgw'''|Talk 20:57, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

:This video ↗ was published in October 2025. This video ↗ was published too. '''Dgw'''|Talk 15:20, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Grokipedia ↗

# Gaza genocide Wikipedia controversy ↗
# Redefinition of Zionism on Wikipedia (2023–2024) ↗
# Sidra Medicine ↗
# I'm That Jew ↗
# Qatari soft power ↗
# Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy ↗
# Tehran's Tank Man ↗
# Mahyar Tousi ↗
'''Dgw'''|Talk 12:16, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

WP:AFD ↗

{{tmbox|type=content|image=none|text=The accusations of genocide ↗ undoubtedly exist, and the topic is, in principle, relevant and suitable for a dedicated article. However, the present attempt must be regarded as more than inadequate. The sprawling article reproduces all sorts of quotations and thus merely compiles a list of accusations. The actual discourse on the subject is not presented; the rebuttals of the allegations (and by that I do not mean counter-accusations such as “but Hamas did too”) are not mentioned. Yet, a neutral presentation is not achieved by fully and uncritically repeating all statements made against Israel, but rather by also including the refutations and by contextualizing the matter on the basis of scholarly analysis of the events. Reworking the article accordingly would be more laborious than rewriting it properly from scratch. It is therefore being deleted due to a clear violation of the principle of a neutral point of view and because of glaring quality deficiencies. --{{noping|Ambross07|label1=Ambross}} (Disk) 08:35, 23. Aug. 2024 (CEST)}}

Sammy Obeid ↗

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Sammy Obeid – A Palestinian-American, in the video "HOW MANY IRANS MAKE A RIGHT ↗", tries to reconcile the Palestinian narrative with the protests in Iran. Let's start with the facts that Sammy Obeid himself acknowledges: The Iranian people are holding particularly intense protests against the Iranian government. Many Iranians have wanted a change in their system of governance (not a regime overthrow) for a long time and say they hate the Islamic Republic and the Revolutionary Guards (IRGC). The current government tends to violate human rights, which is reprehensible. There are accusations (and only accusations) regarding the oppression of women. Because of this, many people in the West believe the Iranian people should be freed and the current government replaced.
But… that's not correct. Sammy Obeid argues that it's better not to intervene, for the following reasons:

We (well-meaning Westerners) actually know nothing. '''The true nature of the current regime is unknown''' (→ maybe it's good?) – after all, unlike the transparent American government, there isn't much information about the Islamic Republic. Likewise, '''it's unclear what is really happening in Iran right now''' – since it's hard to get reliable information from there.

Who does know? The Iranian people – but… '''only those within Iran''' ('''spoiler: not even them''', but more on that later). '''All Iranians outside of Iran are unreliable and shouldn’t be listened to''' because they are "rich and out of touch" (Shahs of Sunset). This refers to the exiled prince and the unofficial spokespeople for the Iranian people around the world. This delegitimizes the diaspora in a way that automatically disqualifies anyone who dares criticize the regime harshly from outside the country, leaving only the "silence" within Iran itself as the supposedly authentic voice (which, as noted, cannot really be heard).

In that sense, '''Sammy Obeid also doesn't know – he's "only" exposing for us the Western manipulations'''. Nevertheless, he feels perfectly comfortable telling us what "we" know about Iran.

A story goes like this: Iran was on its way to democracy in the 1950s until American intervention in 1953 destabilized the country for oil interests. In that context, the Islamic Republic and the Revolutionary Guards are seen as the "defenders of the people" against the imperialism of the U.S. and the West.

Therefore, the 1979 revolution wasn't religious at all – it was an expression of the Iranian people's resistance to the previous monarchical regime’s attempt to Westernize their society. After all, Iran has the largest Shiite Muslim population in the world. In essence, it was a historical correction: the Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) reclaimed Iran's sovereignty (which they supposedly had before) and have been in power ever since – meaning, they are very stable. They have significant support whose size… no one really knows (somewhere between 30% and 80%), because there's no reliable data.

'''Basically, the U.S. is to blame for everything''': human rights violations exist and are reprehensible, but they don't really matter because there are sanctions against Iran! (And the oppression of women is just a rumor). Therefore, that can't be the "real" reason for the protests.

The suffering of the Iranian people stems from the severe economic situation caused by U.S. sanctions and CIA activity. The Iranian people's hatred of their government is an artificial product of an American strategy to pressure the regime into giving up oil (Therefore, '''even from the Iranians within Iran, it's impossible to grasp the true nature of the current regime''', since they've been manipulated by the West). They don't understand or know that '''the Iranian government simply had no choice!''' It had to respond to the protests created by the U.S. in order to keep protecting the Iranian people from Western colonialism. Hence the suppression and internet shutdowns are legitimate and even expected – right?

'''Israel changes the picture: Mossad intervention''' is what influenced the scale of the protests we're seeing now → meaning that the number of "authentic" protesters and opponents is probably much smaller.

Therefore, in the current situation, it's better not to intervene.

'''Calling for the freedom of the Iranian people "Free Iran" with the same intensity as "Free Palestine" is actually helping an Israeli conquest of Iran''' and thus works against the long-term interests of the Iranian people (since, of course, what matters most is the people's well-being). '''On the other hand, Iran's support for freeing Palestine doesn't obligate us to support its government over its people''' – we should support Palestinian liberation because we care about people, and people come first (anyone who says otherwise is immoral). It may seem like moral inconsistency, but it's not – because '''if Palestine's freedom comes at the expense of others' oppression, then the Palestinians are not truly free'''. That’s also why there's a problem with the Israeli occupation of Palestine – '''if Jewish security comes at the expense of Palestinian freedom, then it's not real security'''. So there is moral consistency here, even if not logical consistency.

'''Bombs do not save lives''' – American military intervention would only increase the death toll and lead to further destruction.

'''The exiled prince is merely a puppet that Israel and the U.S. are trying to crown''' – a move that opposes the will of the Iranian people for independence and serves only American interests (even if Iranians in exile or in Iran claim otherwise).

And it's also inappropriate for people outside Iran to start telling Iranians within Iran what to do.

This is basically '''micro-imperialism''' – similar to microaggression ↗, a recognized and established term in Western leftist identity politics. Sammy Obeid, of course, doesn’t see himself as interfering, but rather as clearing the space from others’ interference. He's against oppression of every kind, and no one will be free until everyone is free, and all the emotions, so let's go!

'''Dgw'''|Talk 15:30, 24 January 2026 (UTC)