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Update Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian war



Why aren't you updating foreign deaths for Ukraine in Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian war? Tanzil1998 (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

April 2026


25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hi EkoGraf! I noticed that you recently made an edit&#32;at :Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian war ↗ and marked it as "minor", but it may not have been. On Wikipedia, "minor edit ↗" refers only to superficial edits that could never be disputed, such as fixing typo ↗s or reverting obvious vandalism ↗. Any edit that changes the <em>meaning</em> of an article is not minor, even if it only concerns a single word. ''Messing around with date formats isn't minor edits.'' <!-- Template:uw-minor --> TylerBurden (talk) 12:29, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

WP:TASS ↗



If you insist on using sources such as Russian state media TASS ↗, you need to attribute it. I find it confusing you revert my removal of it on Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian war ↗. You say it can be https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war&diff=prev&oldid=1357134966 ↗ used with '''attribution''', yet include it in Wikivoice. TylerBurden (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:All claims are attributed. DPR civilian fatalities figure is attributed to Russia's DPR. Ukrainian military fatalities figure is attributed to the Russian Ministry of Defence. Ukrainian military prisoners held by Russia attributed to Russia (although I removed that TASS report subsequently since a non-TASS alternative already existed). You removed this figure here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war&diff=prev&oldid=1358627251 ↗ by saying it's not attributed, while the "source" column clearly states that the source for the figure is the DPR. The DPR representative, who reported the figure, is for all intents and purposes a Russian/pro-Kremlin representative. If you think the attribution (source being cited) should be reworded in some other way, please suggest and thanks. EkoGraf (talk) 23:36, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
::Please check basic WP:NPOV ↗ policy WP:DUE ↗, if your only source for this is TASS, don't pretend it deserves the same kind of weight as other sources by simply listing it in a separate infobox section. TylerBurden (talk) 05:42, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
:::The form of the casualties table to have a "source" column for the attribution of the sources was agreed to years ago by editors to be more clear to readers what the source is. If you insist in your opinion that attribution needs to be more close to the claim for additional clarity for this specific source, it is a simple enough thing to additionally add the "per/according to" attribution right beside the figure in the same column. If more rewording is needed let me know. EkoGraf (talk) 06:28, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::How nice, you still need to be more clear with attribution when citing established unreliable sources. TylerBurden (talk) 06:45, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::Regarding your revert here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war&oldid=prev&diff=1358680198 ↗, after my last edit the figure is double cited/attributed to the source (both in the same column as the figure and in the established "source" column whose sole purpose is to emphasis the source). If you think there is a more clear form that is needed, please suggest as I have asked you in my previous two edit summaries. As for your newest comment that the source does not support this figure, please read the source carefully, it states - ''The DPR reported the death of 9,152 civilians since 2014... Since the escalation on February 17, 2022, 4,778 civilians have been killed...''. If they claim 9,152 killed since 2014, with 4,778 of those since the 2022 start of the invasion period, per WP:CALC ↗ that would clearly present a claim of 4,374 civilians for the 2014-2022 period. If you think more clarity is needed in this regard, we can do two more things - Add a quote in the reference of the very thing I just quoted here and add a footnote (as suggested by WP:CALC for some cases) regarding the established figure. We can even use the footnote to once again emphasis the source (as a third attribution) that the figure came from a DPR official's claim via TASS. EkoGraf (talk) 07:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)