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Hello and salut {{ping|Jonathan Archer}}, I've recently noticed that you uploaded some recent photos of Inna on Wikipedia, including this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inna_shooting_a_Music_Video.jpg ↗ from one of her latest singles "Papa" with Sickotoy and Elvana Gjata; hence the question, do you happen to have access to photos of Gjata too? I would welcome your response. :)--Lorik17 (talk) 15:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sorry, but this is the only photo I have from the filming of the "Papa" Music Video.Jonathan Archer (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hi there! Over the past couple of weeks I've been away from Wikipedia, you have added a lot of unsourced and redundant information to the Inna article, and have done a lot of edits to change its structure for the worse. Please don't my edits again, but if you do, then I will have to search for a third person to mediate this whole situation. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I am surprised, first of all, by your tone and incorrect statements about me. For starters, this is not about your article because Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, and anyone can make improvements to increase the quality of their articles. Second, I added only relevant and sustained information from quality sources and removed some redundant and questionable information. Unlike you, I do not claim that the information I provide is perfect and could not be improved by anyone else. However, I do not agree that you should reject all my changes without providing specific counter-arguments, I will continue to support my changes, and I agree that other people should mediate these differences of opinion. Respectfully. Jonathan Archer (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::Hello again. Sorry if my tone came across as rude. Let me justify why I've undone a handful of your edits:

Hello. First of all, I am glad that the tone of the discussion became much more appropriate, polite and friendly.

Secondly, I present to you in the following lines my counter-arguments to the problems reported by you:

- The name of the record company that Inna works with is Global Records and not Global. I have no problem here if these are the Wikipedia requirements for Infobox although I find it strange that the full name of a company needs to be changed.

- I removed the information about the financial gains from 2011 because it is just a speculation of an obscure source. For example, information about her financial earnings appears on Madonna's page, but they are supported by articles from CNN and Forbes, two authorities in the field of financial transactions and very credible sources. In contrast, information about Inna's financial earnings is based on an article (offline) from Monitorul Expres, an obscure provincial daily in Romania, which has no financial profile and is not recognized as an authority on financial transactions. I have no problem mentioning a financial gain of the artist but the information should be supported by a very credible source in the financial field in Romania or abroad.

- I deleted the information about the open letter of support from the LGBT community because I consider it redundant and political implications. The redundancy stems from the fact that at the beginning of the article about Inna is specified her support for the LGBT community "Inna is a human rights activist, participating in campaigns against domestic violence and in support of children's and LGBT rights" On the other hand, the action supported by the Romanian Orthodox Church to change the constitutional definition of a family was a religious and political movement actively supported by the then ruling political party in Romania (PSD) with implications against European values. I may be wrong but I consider that political actions are not relevant and should not be mentioned in the information about the activity and career of a personality in the music world.

- The information on Wikipedia must be supported by real and credible sources and not by questionable information provided by tabloid sources. I modified the Personal Life section with information about Inna's lovers. Inna has officially acknowledged only the relationship with John Perez and Deliric according to sources that mention the recognition from the artist [01] [02]. As for Lucian Ștefan, there is no confirmation from him or Inna about a love affair between the two. The tabloid Cancan [03], which is quoted in this case (via ProTV [04]), talks about a love story quoting "sources from Inna's circle of friends". That is a source of dubious information (Cancan) cites other dubious sources, without naming them.
From my point of view, the information about Lucian Ștefan can also be kept if it is supported by another source that mentions the recognition by the two of this possible love affair. Otherwise, I consider that this statement is only speculation fueled by the long collaboration between the two but unsupported by any credible source.

- You removed the Special Projects and Live Sessions section, initially claiming that "Videos didn't have that overwhelming impact we're talking about." Really? Not only is there talk of the overwhelming impact of videos, but the facts and the number of views on Youtube also demonstrate the impact of these special projects because live sessions have over 170 million views on Youtube. Then you reworded and now claim that "Impact" is not measured by YouTube views. "Maybe you're right, although I doubt that the number of views on Youtube is not relevant information for Wikipedia. I have not put more relevant sources for this information but they exist and are very credible [05] [06] [07] Therefore I consider that this section has its place on Wikipedia being supported by quality sources.

- The mention of Jesus Luz as Madonna's ex-boyfriend may not have been relevant and could be removed, but the rest of the information about Jesus Luz and the filming of the video in Costa Rica were worth keeping.

- Maybe "Despite the fact that 2020 was a challenging year" and "With which he teamed up" are not very encyclopedic formulations and could be corrected or deleted but that does not mean that the whole chapter with information about Inna's activity in 2020 and 2021. Also, talk about the fact that the songs "Call Me Now", "Party", "Oh My God" should not be part of the biography because "they did not have any commercial success or relevant impact". Excuse me, but are you entitled to make value judgments and determine for yourself whether certain pieces have success or impact? Or do we need credible sources to support your claims? I agree to waive this information if you prove to me with credible sources that your statements are valid.

You also completely removed the information about the songs "Read My Lips", "Flashbacks", "Cool Me Down", and "It Don't Matter", which were successful in certain territories and which were supported by very credible sources.

Last but not least, you have eliminated the perfectly documented references regarding Inna's participation in the SAGA and UNTOLD festivals in 2021. What is the reason why this information is not relevant for the artist's biography?

In conclusion, I was very bothered by your initial tone and the fact that you deleted all the information I added. I am waiting for your arguments and decisions and then I will decide if mediation is needed in this case. Respectfully.

01 - https://www.click.ro/vedete/video-foto/click-tv/click-avut-dreptate-inna-se-iubeste-de-doi-ani-cu-fotograful-ei-video-exclusiv
02 - https://www.libertatea.ro/entertainment/inna-formeaza-un-cuplu-cu-rapper-ul-deliric-da-suntem-impreuna-3097524
03 - https://www.cancan.ro/s-au-iubit-timp-de-zece-ani-dar-acum-nu-vor-sa-mai-auda-unul-de-altul-inna-se-muta-din-casa-iubitului-infidel-14973876
04 - https://stirileprotv.ro/show-buzz/entertainment/dupa-10-ani-de-relatie-inna-se-desparte-de-iubitul-ei-ce-a-impins-o-pe-artista-la-aceasta-decizie.html
05 - https://www.protv.ro/stiri/inna-stabilete-un-nou-record-pe-youtube-2-miliarde-de-vizualizri-pe-propriul-canal.html
06 - https://robertcadar.ro/inna-lanseaza-in-your-eyes-in-cadrul-sesiunii-live-rock-the-roof-venice-beach/?lang=en
07 - https://kworb.net/youtube/artist/inna.html Jonathan Archer (talk) 10:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Do I understand that you do not agree with any of my counter-arguments to the changes on Inna's page and that the page must remain exactly as you set it? Jonathan Archer (talk) 13:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hey there, sorry, I was very busy these days, I plan to answer to your comments, I did not plan to leave things like that. Give me a few more days. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 08:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
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Hey there, sorry for the delay. I have responded to your comments above:
Hello. I have analyzed your arguments and, for the most part, I agree with them. However, there are some issues and we have made the following changes, explained below:

- I have removed the following passage because the information is not true and the quoted source clearly states at the end that "The text is a pamphlet and must be treated accordingly."

"In December 2011 Inna was offered a lead role in a French film but turned it down for unknown reasons.[01]

- To the album "I Am the Club Rocker" I added the information about the special song "Club Rocker" made together with Flo-Rida which is important because it is Inna's first international collaboration.

"This album includes a special version of the single "Club Rocker ↗", featuring with the globally known artist Flo Rida ↗, Inna's first international collaboration.<ref>{{cite web| title = Inna se lansează în America alături de rapperul Flo Rida|trans-title=Inna launches in America with rapper Flo Rida| url =https://www.agentiadepresamondena.com/inna-se-lanseaza-in-america-alaturi-de-rapperul-flo-rida/| access-date = June 21, 2011|publisher=Agentiadepresamondena.com|language=ro|date=June 21, 2011}}</ref>"

- "Having also appeared there in 2020, Inna performed at the Untold Festival in October 2021"

I replaced the wording about participating in Untold because it is incorrect. Inna did not attend UNTOLD in 2020 because it was canceled. The attached link [02] talks about the artist's participation in a television show broadcast on New Year's Eve, not about participating in UNTOLD 2020.

"Inna participated as Alok ↗'s special guest at the UNTOLD Festival ↗ on September 12, 2021, in Cluj-Napoca ↗, on Cluj Arena ↗.<ref>{{cite web| title = Inna – apariții incendiare la festivalurile SAGA și UNTOLD|trans-title=Inna - incendiary appearances at SAGA and UNTOLD festivals| url =https://www.elle.ro/people/inna-aparitii-incendiare-la-festivalurie-saga-si-untold-802756| access-date = September 21, 2021|publisher=Elle.ro|language=ro|author=Daria, Georgescu|date=September 21, 2021}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4G9ufwREDg|title=Alok x Inna – It Don't Matter {{!}} Untold Festival 2021|date=15 October 2021|accessdate=30 October 2021|publisher=YouTube ↗}}</ref>"

- I made some changes in the Personal life section and I removed the mention of the artist's mother and grandmother because they are not public figures.

- Inna was not a juror in the Masked Singer show on Pro TV, she is a juror from 2020 until today.

[01]
https://web.archive.org/web/20120515031101/http://www.click.ro/vedete/romanesti/Spionul-vedeta-Inna-refuzat-rol-film_0_1300070063.html
[02]
https://www.paginademedia.ro/2020/12/program-revelion-2021-pro-tv/ Jonathan Archer (talk) 15:07, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
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:Hey there, I have undone some of your edits, and the reasons why are stated below.
Hello. The reasons given for some of your changes are relevant and I agree with them. However, I do not agree with the changes about UNTOLD and the List of Awards and Nominations. I have set out my arguments below and please do not edit my changes. Otherwise, I have to look for a third person to mediate this whole situation.
Untold is the festival organized every year for several days, on the Cluj Arena stadium and with the participation of hundreds of thousands of spectators at each edition. As certified by Wikipedia, the official UNTOLD website and other reliable sources, on June 2, 2020, the festival organizers announced that the 6th edition of the festival has been postponed to the summer of 2021. The decision was made following the pandemic of COVID-19 which gradually affected the whole globe and which imposed, starting with March 2020, new restrictions and rules of social distancing on the Romanian territory as well.
A TV show or a selection broadcast online with moments from the previous 5 years of the festival does not represent the UNTOLD festival - Chapter 6.
Respectfully.
Jonathan Archer (talk) 07:38, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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Buna, te rog frumos lasa template-ul pentru personal asa cum era. Nu este invechit, chiar arata mai bine din punct de vedere estetic. Am vazut ca esti pasionat de Otelul Galati, dar nu ma considera ca pe un vandal, totusi toti jucatorii Otelului au meciurile si statisticile la zi, majoritatea sunt facute de mine. Cei drept stafful lor nu a mai fost verificat de la venirea lui Balint, dar nici nu era updatat pe site-ul oficial, iar pe site-ul LPF erau unele neconcordante. Multumesc frumos si o zi buna sa ai. DNT (talk) 15:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:Bună ziua. În primul rând, apreciez activitatea şi contribuţia dvs. pe Wikipedia (inclusiv pe pagina ASC Oțelul Galați).
:În altă ordine de idei, nu sunt de acord cu părerea dvs. despre template-ul pentru personal folosit pentru Liga I iar eu am aplicat formatul standard folosit la scară largă pe Wikipedia pentru toate echipele din campionatele importante ale Europei (Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, etc). Vă rog să nu mai ştergeţi modificările de format şi să păstraţi template-ul folosit pe această pagină. Cu respect! Jonathan Archer (talk) 08:15, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

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