User Talk: Martineden83

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Hello,

In the infobox, only the producers should be listed, not the co-producers, who belong in the technical credits section. Pathé is indeed the film’s sole producer; the others are merely financial backers or co-producers. That has nothing to do with actual production companies, but rather with investment firms or banks. A bank does not become a production company simply because it invested one million in a film (at least not on Wikipedia).

This is also consistent with what is done on other French films and on the English Wikipedia and French Wikipedia: the infobox lists only the main production company or companies, while co-producers and financial participants are kept in the technical credits section. This is a standard formatting convention.

It cannot be changed unilaterally for a single page. Any deviation from this practice would require a consensus decision through a discussion on the article’s talk page, in line with Wikipedia’s editorial rules. Royge 12 (talk) 10:48, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

:Please take a read at the Template:Infobox film ↗, not once is said that co-produced companies can't be listed, only companies credit as "associate producers".
:You should also take a look at WP:MOSFILM ↗, before implying what is "''consistent with what is done on other French films and on the English Wikipedia and French Wikipedia''". @Royge 12 Martineden83 (talk) 12:59, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
::But co-producers aren't producers, they're associate producers! A bank isn't a production company or a producer. You're listing companies you don't know, and most of them aren't even co-producers but have just pre-purchased the TV, VOD, and SVOD rights. Do your research before spouting nonsense or provide sources proving they are actually real producers (and there aren't any).For my part, I have provided sources; you are in the wrong according to Wikipedia rules; you cannot delete without justifying it with sources because you believe they are production companies when they are not. Royge 12 (talk) 18:09, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll not keeping on this meaningless discussion with you, you simply need to follow the rules by Template:Infobox film ↗ and WP:MOSFILM ↗. The source you added confirms the co-producing companies, please stop with your WP:DISRUPTIVE ↗ WP:LLMDISRUPT ↗.
:::On top of that, it's the third or fourth time you mixed producer with producing company. @Royge 12 Martineden83 (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
::::You are the one confusing things and lying. The source clearly lists only Pathé as the producer. You have absolutely no source showing that Pathé is not the sole producer; you are simply trying to force your interpretation through, even though there are now two of us defending the official source.
::::You are confusing investment companies that participated in the film with actual producers, which shows a complete misunderstanding of the French film industry (pre-purchases ≠ producers; French cinema operates in a very atypical way). You are simply referring to Wikipedia rules that I know perfectly well, then you say you refuse to discuss and force your way through, which is exactly what Wikipedia forbids. If you push this through again despite the fact that there are now two of us and you are alone and without sources, I will file a report. Royge 12 (talk) 22:02, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::I invite you to open a discussion page on the film's page and start the debate, and we will discuss and compare sources (although you would need to find a source that indicates that Pathé is not the only producer, which I highly doubt), but a strong-arm approach with 0 sources and a refusal to discuss can lead to a legitimate block, I must warn you and I am doing so here. Royge 12 (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::WP:DISRUPTIVE ↗ + WP:LLMDISRUPT ↗ + WP:UNCIVIL ↗
:::::''You are the one confusing things and lying''. I'm reverting your disruptive edits one last time. Please follow the rules and stop with your personal attacks.
:::::Unifrance lists as co-producing companies:
:::::* Coproductions : TF1 Films Production, Belvédère, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes Cinéma, Ness Films, Logical Content Ventures, Laurent Dassault Rond-Point (LDRP), Stags Participation II, Ouroboros Entertainment
:::::* Production étrangère : Beside Productions
:::::This is my last attempt to make you read Template:Infobox film ↗ and WP:MOSFILM ↗. Martineden83 (talk) 22:06, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::"Insert the company or companies that primarily produced the film. Separate multiple entries using either <nowiki>{{plainlist}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{ubl}}</nowiki>, and use the "production_companies" parameter. Link each company to its article if possible. When possible, this should be cited to reliable secondary sources that explicitly identify the production companies. Additional producing companies, such as those that receive "In Association With" credit, can be mentioned in the body of the article. See also Acting Magazine's guide to "In Association With" for further explanation on this credit."
::::::So literally, the co-producers must be listed in the article, NOT in the infographic where only producers, not co-producers, should be listed. Furthermore, many of the companies you listed are not your producers: they are companies that have simply invested in or purchased the rights WITHOUT BEING the co-producers. Royge 12 (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Again, you're choosing how to interpret this. None of the companies listed by Unifrance are associate producers.
:::::::I didn't list anything, Unifrance and other sources on the article say they are the co-producers Martineden83 (talk) 22:13, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::But are you reading what I wrote?? The co-producers shouldn't be in the table/infloblox but on the page; only the producers should be in the table. Furthermore, I'm not making this up, and no, Unifrance doesn't list co-producers AND clearly lists Pathé as the only true producer of the film. Besides, Unifrance isn't an official source; it's Film France, which is linked to the CNC, that simply lists "Pathé" as a producer. Royge 12 (talk) 22:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And this is not an opinion, but the Wikipedia rules and the case on all other pages! Royge 12 (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::For example, Logical Content Ventures is not a production company... but an investment fund in partnership with Pathé; to call them producers is wrong, they are not a production company, they cannot be a producer or co-producer, just a financial partner, but clearly you refuse to do your research and only make general statements.
::::::::::https://www.boxofficepro.fr/pathe-ouvre-le-financement-de-ses-films-aux-investisseurs-prives/ Royge 12 (talk) 22:21, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::What’s most frustrating is that instead of listening to what I’m explaining or checking the information yourself, you simply ignore my remarks and keep forcing your version without any solid source to support it. If, within the next few dozen hours, you are still unable to provide a reliable source showing that groups such as Logical Content Ventures have somehow magically become production companies, even though they are merely investment funds partnered with Pathé, then I will edit the Wikipedia page to remove this false information that you restored. And I can assure you that Logical Content Ventures is neither a production company nor a co-producer; I know the French media groups and companies in this sector extremely well. Please take the time to properly research the subject before insisting on keeping inaccurate information about groups you clearly do not know well. Royge 12 (talk) 22:27, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

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