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Higaonna page

Dear Mountaincirque, I did revert your revertions on the Morio Higaonna page. As you say -- and I agree to- the karate topic needs expert editors. Now, Higaonna's break with IOGKF is an historical fact. No problem with critiqueing my addition in its nuances, but entire deletion is a-historical. The fact that interpretation may vary - in science it always does - does not negate the importance of the fact. Please offer your suggestions on the talk page, leaving these development out of the page would be inaccurate and an ommission. Apologies for poor English, non native speaker here. Jobbew (talk) 12:00, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

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Regarding this edit summary ↗ - what makes him notable for playing in League Two? Giant Snowman 17:44, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

:@GiantSnowman I thought that appearances in a fully professional league were a criterion? happy to be corrected. 80.42.136.119 ↗ (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
::that's me by the way, Wikipedia app bugging out my login. <span style="color:#A2A3TH">'''Mountaincirque'''</span><sup><span style="color:#008080">''talk''</span> ↗</sup> 18:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
::Not for 3 years, since WP:NSPORTS2022 ↗. Giant Snowman 18:02, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
:::@GiantSnowman I'm obviously not paying close enough attention, so where does that leave us? I just searched up Wikiproject Football's notability criteria and #1 is: "Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure. This must be supported by evidence from a reliable source on a club by club basis for teams playing in leagues that are not recognised as being fully professional." In my mind this applies to League Two? What am I missing? <span style="color:#A2A3TH">'''Mountaincirque'''</span><sup><span style="color:#008080">''talk''</span> ↗</sup> 18:08, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
::::The WikiProject Football notability page has been obsolete even longer! The test is WP:SIGCOV ↗ / WP:GNG ↗ i.e. has the subject received ''two'' pieces of ''significant'' coverage (not match reports / transfer news etc.)? Giant Snowman 18:10, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::@GiantSnowman ok...how were these "obsoletions" communicated to editors as I've not heard about these. I'm less active on football editing than I was before COVID so it's not a surprise really, I'm just out of date. So youth players making their debut for big teams now aren't notable until they are mentioned in an article that isn't a match report or transfer news? So a big prospect for a PL side appears in the Premier League and we have to wait for there to be a specific article on him separate to the match report, seems a bit heavy handed and less clear than previous guidance but hey. <span style="color:#A2A3TH">'''Mountaincirque'''</span><sup><span style="color:#008080">''talk''</span> ↗</sup> 18:24, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::It was all over WT:FOOTBALL ↗ at the time. Giant Snowman 18:32, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@GiantSnowman ok, thanks for updating me but please remember that many editors are casual and aren't going there unless we're tagged or want to look up guidance. Having just spent 10 minutes looking at both the new sports 2022 guidance and the old football notability guidance it is really unclear that 1) the NSPORTS2022 totally supercedes all sports specific guidance and that the small "this page is dormant" on the football notability section means that it no longer applies. That's my take as an editor that is less active since I had kids. I think there need to be much clearer tags, and the NSPORTS2022 page particularly is a wall of text thousands of words long with very poor summation and explanation of what the decision means for the whole sports ecosystem. <span style="color:#A2A3TH">'''Mountaincirque'''</span><sup><span style="color:#008080">''talk''</span> ↗</sup> 18:43, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Well you know now! Giant Snowman 18:44, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

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