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Welcome!

Hi RustyOldShip, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions ↗. I hope you like it here and decide to stay. Our intro page ↗ provides helpful information for new users—please check it out! If you have any questions, you can get help from experienced editors at the Teahouse ↗. Always happy to see new editors contributing to the chemistry articles:) Happy editing! DMacks (talk) 04:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:I echo DMacks welcome. It is great to see someone else writing about herbicides. You may not be aware that there is a list of herbicides ↗ which may give you some ideas for new articles. In many cases, there is an existing link to Wikidata for the compounds which don't have articles on the English Wikipedia. That's a fast way to check if they have one in another language or, if not, to pick up their Pubchem ↗ and other IDs. You will also find links on the list page to reliable sources like the Pesticide Properties Database (e.g. for Prosulfocarb ↗). In some people's opinion, which I agree with, that's a much better source for physical property data than chemicalbook.com: see WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive 408#chemicalbook.com ↗. Don't hesitate to contact me if you ever need advice. Regards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. I have mainly been doing pesticides I worked to manufacture. That's a good handbook. At least for prosulfocarb, having worked with it I can tell they weren't not far off. (Annoyingly I cannot cite myself to say "it's dark, deep purple almost", maybe it's just that I saw it in tons not test-tubes). PPDB confirms (+- a little) what I cited from chembook but I'll use it in future. Is it often that there's much to gain by cross-comparing other languages wiki? I had assumed English to be predominant but the German and Dutch prosulfocarb articles are about on the level of the one I made, but much older and cover different topics.
::Trifluralin I at least kept a sample to photograph. It's a little odd seeing the crystals (dried slowly in an IBC) being red and the chembox saying yellow. Yet having spilled it over things, it becomes yellow if splashings harden. Differences in crystal size?
::Regards,
::decade-dormant account RustyOldShip (talk) 14:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I never worked on large scales, only in research with my whole career at Jealott's Hill ↗. The PPDB gets most of its information from formal registration documents, which I assume are themselves based on highly purified material made as reference samples by the originator. Our MOS:CHEM ↗ suggests that if you want to include synthesis details you should base them on the first published synthesis, which is often a patent, but that it is sensible to include the manufacturing route as well if that's also published.
:::I find that the German Wikipedia sometimes has articles we don't but tends to allow a very boiler-plate style that doesn't amount to more than repeating what's in basic sources like Pubchem. I don't use it, preferring to work from scratch. See my userpage for some of the articles I've produced. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Diephensocksurine.jpg

Hi,

For your image, :File:Diephensocksurine.jpg ↗ it has a background as if you drew this on recycled paper. It maybe a copyright infringement, but in any case better off without it. How you avoid copying this back of page stuff is to put a black sheet behind the page you are scanning or reproducing, as black writing on black will not show. The contrast adjustment can have this pale grey just showing as white.
As to the content of the image, you have inconsistent benzene rings, fairly roughly drawn letters, and a stray line at top right. I think it is better to leave these diagrams to people that use chemical structure drawing software. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:Hi Graeme,
:I slapped that together intentionally badly because I was annoyed at the people with chemical structure drawing software who replace it no matter the quality. If I do it properly, e.g. the handdrawn Chlornidine ↗ diagram. The rest of the article, for that matter, is also slapdash and crappy in several ways, though all information is accurate and sourced. I have been bothered because I write articles (I would like to think) with decent quality main text, and though plenty of people edit, I have very rarely seen edits that have added content, rather they nitpick capitalisation, (though usually correctly), or wording, or 'correct' British spelling, or flag issues without any attempt to fix, such as plastering [citation needed] even on things which already had good citations. I wish I saw edits like "i found blabla study (2017), saying etcetera". I was then annoyed that a diagram got replaced twice (and even called wrong? It's the same as far as I can see but with expanded NO2 and HN2 groups) with what is to me, an uglier and less informative picture. Dinitramine ↗.
:Usually when I draw diagrams I measure it out with a ruler, scan in monochrome and edit the image with Paint and Paint.net to remove any other marks/dirt, tidy it and label atoms with computer text. RustyOldShip (talk) 14:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span><span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span> 18:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</div>
:This acceptance notice was sent to DMacks, but I was advised to let you know at your own talk page since you did a lot of the work improving it. Thanks! <span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span><span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span> 14:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Karsil

Hi @RustyOldShip. I noticed you recently created karsil ↗, for which many thanks. However, in doing so you used guidechem.com as a source for the physical propertied. There was an earlier discussion now at WT:WikiProject Chemicals/Archive 2023#What do we think about Guidechem.com citations? ↗ where our conclusion was to deprecate that source and remove all references to it. Can you find a better citation for the properties? I'm aware that there is no entry in the PPDB, which I'd normally use for that sort of information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:26, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:Okay. I've switched those citations to echemi (they state the same info for these properties) and kept guidechem only as a redundant source for one property so there's still a link to it. RustyOldShip (talk) 03:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::I read the discussion, given guidechem seems to just parrot sources and maybe has some SEO nonsense going on, I deleted the redundant reference too. RustyOldShip (talk) 03:14, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Targets

I have been making some herbicide articles lately (Karbutilate ↗, Lenacil ↗, Zuomihuanglong ↗, etc). I have no method of picking articles to create. Should I create the examples in the table on HRAC classification ↗ instead? <span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span><span class="skin-invert" style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span> 14:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:I'd suggest the list of herbicides(or insecticides/other pesticides) for a more complete list. Plenty of existing articles lack much information too. (Just don't spend ages squeezing water from rocks, there is hardly an info on obscure herbicides like methalpropalin ↗ to find, despite the parcity of its page) RustyOldShip (talk) 14:36, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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Preëmergent

I did ~fix (un-umlaut +) some of your ''-preëmergent-'' words in chem. articles (there's no such typography form in the Wiktionary), primarily because they were more exactly ''-preёmergent-'' instead (Cyrillic ё ↗ instead of ë ↗). Regards, —Mykhal (talk) 11:36, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

"ligmabaldrich"

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ioxynil_octanoate&diff=prev&oldid=1332710758 ↗, not funny. <br/>
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chlornidine&oldid=1253547551 ↗, be mindful of WP:EUI ↗. <span style="font-family:Courier;color:#D73A49"><b>TurboSuperA+</b></span>[[User talk:TurboSuperA+|<span style="font-family:Courier-New"><sub>[talk]</sub></span>]] 11:49, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

:I am unworried about violating WP:EUI ↗ because I have edited with a bottle in hand quite often enough to trust myself while doing so, to still post only encyclopedic, relevant and verifiable content with the sources I got it from. I admit to citing "ligmabaldrich" while being temporarily over the legal driving limit, but all content is verifiable, factual and (to my best knowledge) accurate, though I respectfully disagree, that it was in fact, amusing. RustyOldShip (talk) 14:40, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

Pesticide Properties DataBase

Hi RustyOldShip,

I see you've been doing a lot of article work in the pesticides area. We have {{tl|PPDB}} as a standard external-links entry and that database also seems to be used often as a reference. This isn't my area of expertise so I don't know much about its contents or reputation other than what their own site says. Could you help expand :Draft:Pesticide Properties DataBase ↗ with at least a more complete description and some other references to make a viable stub article? If we can't even demonstrate that it's a notable database with reliable info/good reputation among experts, I'm concerned that someone might tell us we can't use it as a reference for Wikipedia articles. DMacks (talk) 03:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

:Hi DMacks,
:As far as I've seen, they're usually reliable (congruent with other sources), and are great for bureaucratic info like the CAS RN, SMILES, etc. I noticed today you correcting me for citing it as "Hartfordshire, University of". If you paste a link, it autofills that into the name section for some reason. There is a copy-paste citation on the bottom of their articles, but it doesn't have a clickable link and isn't clear to a reader that it is PPDB, so I prefer to use web-cite. I do recall seeing the odd discrepancy, (the only one I can recall specifically is their listed CAS No. for alorac ↗ seems to have a typo, missing the "1" that other sources have). (I think most of these have been around the "first reported/marketed" date which is hard to pin down exactly) I also find the EU's websites/documents so impenetrably complicated that I can't follow it up or find that information myself, so where possible I prefer to include non-ppdb sources.
:Often they have a lot of information that I can't find elsewhere, or wouldn't be concise enough in an article. It's justified to keep the {{PPDB}} in article links IMO.
:I'll try adding to that article but I don't know whether I'll find much new. RustyOldShip (talk) 12:09, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
::I'm not an expert on chemistry (I think you caught me calling dalapon-magnesium an "acid" -- ppdb lists the chemical family/etc but I think I should have said "derivative"), I just worked in a pesticide factory for a couple years and started writing articles on them. RustyOldShip (talk) 12:14, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Nomination of :Benzadox-ammonium ↗ for merging to Benzadox ↗

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Page moved to draft

Hey! I moved your page Griffith Owen (sailor) ↗ to Draft:Griffith Owen (sailor) ↗, you put some sources in the Talk page that you could reference in the article itself. Currently it's not ready for mainspace as an article yet. Happy editing! -- <span style="color:5ED0FF">HungryHighway🛣️</span> 10:00, 17 May 2026 (UTC)