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Not sure what it has to do with BPD?<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span> (talk · contribs ↗ · email ↗) 13:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

:It was greeted with a warm welcome on the German sister site some months ago and has not been met by one single objection since. Young persons are the major group of those affected. Here, on the painting, they are - each on their own - sitting at the '''border''' between land an sea and '''looking out'''. Munch is known for his psychologically inclined paintings. I hope this is sufficient for an explanation. Could you please reinstall the image?--Saidmann (talk) 15:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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::I would very much appreciate it if you used secondary sources as references. <span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span> (talk · contribs ↗ · email ↗) 19:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

:::As to the psychoacoustics in tinnitus ↗, the currently most quoted review (Henry 2000) was already in the text. I now completed the source data by adding the PDF-link. However, this paper is good for history but poor in presenting figures. I therefore added more recent papers that contained good review sections and useful figures and also are freely available online. --Saidmann (talk) 11:07, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Template messages on Denis Duboule ↗

Dear Saidmann,
while adding a picture and a piece of information on page Denis Duboule ↗, I noticed the two templates messages you left on the page. I was surprised about this, so I contacted Denis Duboule (I had never met him physically before, but had interacted with him by email in an academic setting). He was himself horrified about the presence of the tags, and told me he had never even considered paying anyone to write/edit his wikipedia page. He remembered, however, meeting User:Ventus55 at a conference during which D.D. received a medal, and this person (a scientist working in a similar field) indicated that he, as a wikipedia editor, would add some content to the wikipedia page (starting with the medal). There was not even a discussion about remuneration, and there was no request from Duboule with regards to the editing -- and he is understandingly unhappy with the current templates (which, I agree with him, are potentially defamatory). He has forwarded me some material (emails), which show that we are indeed talking about the same person (the name and other information match) and that the circumstances were as he described them. Since it looks to me like you tagged the article based on the general behavior of the banned user (and not on specific evidence linked to this particular article), would you be willing to reconsider the addition of the two templates ? I don't want to do it myself, in case you had other information I'm unaware of. In any case, I'm happy to share the information I have by email, if that is of any help. Best wishes, Schutz (talk) 13:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

:Dear Schutz, I throroughly checked the kind of edits that Ventus55 applied to this article and I now did it a second time. Here some major pieces of evidence:
::*Ventus extended the article from 5,640 bytes to 15,755 bytes. This is almost threefolding the volume.
::*Ventus added an extremely long list of publications as references that appear to come from Deboule's hands. Independent WP-editors do not (re)produce such listings.
::*The ridiculously long listings of Fellowships, Memberships, and Honours are mostly unsourced and definitely demonstrate a personal relationship between Ventus and Deboule.
:In summury, this evidence makes it necessary to have the article tagged until it agrees with our rules. With best wishes. --Saidmann (talk) 15:51, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::From the documentation I have, Ventus indeed mentioned he used Duboule's CV, which is coherent with what you write. And actually, I was not very precise in what I wrote above (more exactly, I did not reread the two templates carefully just before posting). In such a situation, it seems to me like the COI tag is not so much a bad fit, because it is about "someone in close connection to the subject". It is the UDP tag that is more worrying, because it implies something bad being done by the subject of the article himself (which I don't think is the case). Schutz (talk) 16:02, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

:::Alternatively, looking closely at the contributions, I see that Ventus' contribution have not been too much edited afterwards; so it may be easier to just remove everything he's added to the article, while keeping other people's contribution. I'll see if I manage to find some time to do this. (your opinion on the COI vs UDP tags is still welcome in any case). Thanks, Schutz (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

::::Also the UDP tag uses the word "may". WP does not need certainty in such cases. A reasonable suspicion is mandatory for applying such tags. As to "bad" behavior, this would more apply to the editor. But this is not part of WP policy. WP policy is to present appropriate (according to the rules) articles to the readers. Removing everything that Ventus added would be fine and would of course make both tags obsolete. As reason for removal you may state lack of independent secondary sources. --Saidmann (talk) 16:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::I'll edit the page accordingly, in order to present the right version to our reader, as you write. I hear what you say about the word "may" and the fact that it applies to the editor; I still find it problematic, because most readers will not read this subtleties: what they will read and remember is "hey, this guy has paid to prettify his CV without declaring it, and he does not play by the rule". I don't think that it is any better than to have wrong/defamatory facts in the article itself. Anyway, that will be moot once the content is cleaned. Thank you for your help, Schutz (talk) 16:28, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::{{done}} it took me less time than I expected, actually. One problem solved ! Cheers, Schutz (talk) 16:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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At Talk:Greta Thunberg ↗, in which thread do you count four editors favoring your addition of this text? ↗ I admit I may have made a mistake and would like to verify I am looking at the same thing you are before I check again. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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::Here they are:
::* Paulmlieberman: "I'm fine with this." 15:52, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
::* Schwede66: "That is an entirely appropriate edit." 21:04, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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Thanks... everyone, rather than discuss this further here, I will followup with each of us in the thread at article talk. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:14, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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