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WHG and Cheddarman article

If you have an issue with my clarifications on the Cheddar man wiki article I suggest you formulate proper changes rather than removal however there is nothing to be removed. The information added was added in context to the controversy section and added missing clarification about the ancestry, population, and contribution genetically of WHGs. WHGs are not subsaharans they are not ancestral to subsaharans and are not able to be placed under modern racial labels let alone under the label "black". This is a dangerous claim made continuously in media and online and is literal erasure of the ancestry of Europeans and an attempt to assign their native ancestral connection to an actual foreign and unrelated group of people

:Here are the things you added to the article that are not found directly in the sources and are either your own personal interpretation or improper synthesis not directly found in the source:

:{{tq|The description of Cheddar Man as “Black” in some media coverage is not a supported claim.}} - original research.

:{{tq|...rather than to an African or other non-European ancestral population.}} - not mentioned in the source

:{{tq|WHG ancestry ...is not an ancestral component of sub-Saharan African or other non-European populations.}} - not mentioned in source

:{{tq|The prediction that Cheddar Man had relatively dark pigmentation concerns particular genetic variants associated with pigmentation and does not demonstrate African ancestry or make him equivalent to a modern racial category.}} - totally unsourced.

:So almost everything you added, in other words. And why are you on my user page anyway? You should discuss this on the article talk page if you really think this is a worthwhile use of your time (hint: it is not)  Tewdar  20:44, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

:However, if you can find a reliable source discussing this, without needing to be crowbarred into the article, maybe...  Tewdar  20:46, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

Have a look

Have a look at the current version https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anatolian_hunter-gatherers&diff=1280345383&oldid=1279924757 ↗ as compared to this one ↗. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:48, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:From a brief look, Feldman et al. doesn't seem to support "along with Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG), Eastern Hunter Gatherers (EHG) and Western Steppe Herders (WSH)", but it does say Anatolian Early Farmers are the "largest ancestral component in present-day Europeans" but it's pretty much okay. I'd just say what Feldman says probably, since the article is about AHGs, but there isn't really a problem with it apart from other excess ancestry sources missing eg CHG.

:"minor gene flow from Iranian/Caucasus and Levantine sources" is fine, might want to distinguish Aceramic and Ceramic Farmers here?

:I'm not sure that the domestic animal stuff is necessary background info.

:"the relationship of AHG with WHG and Natufian hunter-gatherers is explained by the fact that these populations had a significant contribution from hunter-gatherers associated with the Upper Paleolithic of the Caucasus." - Not sure if this is made explicit in prose in Allentoft et al. I'll take a look at it later.

:"The AHG diverged from Caucasus hunter-gatherer ↗ around 25,000 years ago." I think Marchi 2022 put this at like 16kya

:I'll take a better look later if I get a chance. Is anything particularly bothering you about the changes?  Tewdar  11:42, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Friendly ping for {{ping|Fylindfotberserk}}  Tewdar  11:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

::Removal of ANE by the IP and rationale provided by them seemed POV to me. Thanks for the explanation. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:54, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
:::well, the ANE contribution to present day Europeans is indirect, via WSH (and excess EHG in part) so that's basically an improvement. it might be better to just paraphrase Feldman however.  Tewdar  11:59, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
::::@Tewdar, you also might want to have look at Iranian hunter-gatherers ↗. {{u|Wikiuser1314}} has done a nice job here, especially in terms of structure and readability. As far as I can see, {{u|Fylindfotberserk}} already has taken notice of it. I especially like the terse "§Europe" section, which I'm sure will make the Teheran IP (who always comments on IE-related pages) cry 😁 –Austronesier (talk) 11:19, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Nice, IHG and CHG are actually next on my list for the Pleistocene draft article. I'm trying to decide whether to give them their own sections or not. I'm leaning 'split' 😊  Tewdar  12:01, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Have a look at these additions ↗. There seems to be some discrepancies ↗ between the text added (phenotype related) and the quote from the reference ↗. Also have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scytho-Siberian_world&diff=1317848949&oldid=1314567132 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scythians&diff=1317678210&oldid=1316007149 ↗. Is this a sock? I mean I see allegations in their talk page. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:04, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So I took a quick look at this, and I think it's a little bit of a misrepresentation, specifically the gender differences. I'd probably prefer something like: "The study found that local '''individuals''' with normal or intermediate skulls, carrying northern or central European ancestry, were most likely (80%) to have blue eyes and blonde hair. In contrast, women with artificially deformed skulls (likely immigrants originating from southeastern Europe, some of whom carried East Asian ancestry) generally had brown eyes and either brown (60%) or blonde (40%) hair. Veeramah et al. note that these immigrant women would have stood out from the local population due to their enlarged crania and their distinct eye, hair, and possibly skin pigmentation."
:::::::Something like that, anyway.
:::::::I know nothing of sockpuppetry, that's more Austronesier's department! 😂  Tewdar  11:45, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I reworded it, incorporated parts from para you suggested. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:46, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Looks good! Thanks for fixing it. 🙂  Tewdar  18:09, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for saying what needed to be said in your userpage. 2601:152:300:F8AE:6DB4:2FD6:16C:928D ↗ (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

:What? About Wikipedia? 😂  Tewdar  19:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
::Yes 👍 2601:152:300:F8AE:6DB4:2FD6:16C:928D ↗ (talk) 20:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
:::Lol 😂  Tewdar  21:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

How's it going?

Hey! I just thought I'd pop over and say hello, because we only ever seem to interact on the talk page of the Cornwall article and we're usually disagreeing with each other. Despite that, I reckon you're probably pretty decent and thought it might be a good idea to tell you so. A.D.Hope (talk) 17:42, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:😂 thanks for stopping by, I appreciate it... I probably can come across as a bit of a dick when I'm talking about my homeland so I'm actually very impressed with your kind gesture here... you seem like a decent chap too, maybe one day we'll find a page to edit together that doesn't get me quite so emotional!  Tewdar  18:23, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
::Well, I could feel us drifting into animosity and it seemed silly to let that happen. I find that talk page discussions don't really encourage friendliness, but if you step away and just have a normal chat it usually sorts things out. If I'm not editing the county articles I'm usually working on an historic house or church or something, so I don't know if we overlap ''that'' much, but I certainly wouldn't object to working together!
::On the topic of counties, I must admit I'm a bit tired of the overall flag discussion as it's been rumbling on for while, but I have been looking at alternative images for Cornwall and I wondered what you thought of this ↗? I don't want to pre-empt any future discussion, but we could do with having a picture that includes one of Cornwall's major towns and Redruth does happen to fly the flag from its clock tower often. I'd like it if the picture was sunnier and the flag a bit brighter, but in principle do you think something along those lines could work as a compromise? A.D.Hope (talk) 18:34, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, thanks for clearing the air 🙂 I don't have a lot of time here, but a picture of a town building flying a flag sounds ideal to me... I'll see if i can make or obtain anything better, but a photo like that one would be fine I think... all the best, sorry for being a grumpy asshole🙂  Tewdar  18:44, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
::::Oh amazing! There'd have to be a proper talk page discussion before any change, but I'm glad you like it. And there's no need to apologise, I totally get why you're so enthusiastic about Cornwall and I'm sure we'll work well together on the article in the future. See you around, A.D.Hope (talk) 18:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

"Biological sex"

Taking this aside here because continuing to discuss it on that page would be forumy. The root of my argument is effectively a relatively straightforward read of Foucauldian epistemology. Effectively all knowledge is socially constructed. That doesn't mean we cannot make value judgements regarding the construction of knowledge but it does mean we should always consider that how we frame the questions that even the most carefully dispassionate science asks operates within a necessarily social context. Your comment about genetic sex is an example of this since the frame of the question becomes one of how one's chromosomal construction aligns to certain social expectations and functions. After all: if there was no socially expected function to the category of "sex" then "sex" would be a meaningless category. Basically if we didn't have the social categories of "man" and "woman" then there'd never be any need to ask what distinguishes them genetically. But this means that the root of inquiry is fundamentally social. As such I have a certain skepticism when editors try to say "oh I'm not talking about gender" and then go on to call someone who calls herself a woman not one. We've had an ongoing and highly vexatious issue with that precise line of argument at Imane Khelif ↗ which kind of got nuked via a pretty aggressive moratorium on debate of her gender and it seems that some of the parties who opposed the moratorium are moving the Khelif material to other pages now. That's why I'm concerned about her in specific. Simonm223 (talk) 14:12, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
:Funnily enough, none of the latest genetics papers seem to mention Foucauldian epistemology when discussing how they determined an individual's genetic sex 🤣. 'The question' for me, in this context, is not "how one's chromosomal construction aligns to certain social expectations and functions", but merely the ratio of X and Y chromosomes to the autosomes. I have no interest in Khelif, her genetic sex, or her gender identity, and as I said, she does not seem to be worth mentioning on that article.  Tewdar  14:35, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

ANI thread

You've been mentioned here ↗. While it's not abou ''you'', any input is appreciated. Thank you, Yacàwotçã (talk) 17:56, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

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:Still no 'oppose all' button, I see...  Tewdar  07:42, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Userpage

Hi,
I have removed this ↗. WP:UPNOT ↗ is pretty clear on what isn't allowed at userpages either (beyond general enwiki policies of course), and while that racist trolling was by an IP you shouldn't be featuring it in the userspace either. Just revert/ignore/report the trolls; and as in the non-article space, the userspace too should be blanked of offensive racism.

Cheers Gotitbro (talk) 09:00, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

:Your talk page is a gigantic shithole.  Tewdar  10:28, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
::Yes I would like to find the time to get around archiving it systematically. But WP:CIVILITY ↗ please. Gotitbro (talk) 11:11, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Please leave me alone, I'd be ever so grateful.  Tewdar  11:14, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

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Any evidence for your assertion? DuncanHill (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2026 (UTC)