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25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello, I'm Zeng8r. Your recent edit(s) to the page :List of Southeastern Conference champions ↗ appears to have added incorrect information, so it has been removed for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source ↗ or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox ↗. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. ''Florida won the SEC regular season baseball championship in 1952, 1956, 1962, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1988, 1996, 1998, 2005, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2017, and 2018, which adds up to 15 titles in total.''  Zeng8r (talk) 01:00, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

: I wasn't picking on Florida when I made that edit. The real problem here is that the summary table is very poorly designed and often misunderstood by editors; because the conference tournament was used to determine the overall champion between 1977 and 1987, editors regularly end up double-counting titles during those particular years. What I mean is (specifically in the case of UF, for example), the table listed the Gators as 1981, '82, and '84 '''tournament''' champions ''and'' '''overall''' champions when they were in fact one and the same (because the tournament determined the overall champions then). Once the '''regular season''' was again used to determine the overall championship starting in 1988, it was perfectly acceptable to count UF's '88 tournament and overall championships separately as ''two'' different titles. Honestly, the absolute best solution here would be to completely redesign that table to more completely reflect the fact that the tournament decided the overall title some years, but then that would also make the table look different than the standard table that is used for other sports in that article.

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25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to :Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest ↗. Your edits could be interpreted as vandalism ↗ and have been reverted ↗. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources ↗ or discuss the changes on the article's talk page ↗ before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use your sandbox. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 17:11, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Sundayclose}}, I have not contributed any edits to that particular article in some time. I assume that you are referring to the "Inaugurated" date of the event listed in the article's summary table, since you recently changed it to July 4, 1916. As the first two paragraphs of the "History" subsection of the article explain (along with the numerous references cited there), past event publicists are somewhat open about the fact that they exaggerated the early history surrounding the contest, even completely altering the story of the alleged first competition on multiple occasions. I do not know why you would want to list July 4, 1916 when so many sources conflict with that date—the oldest contest documented by credible sources is the one that was held on June 30, 1967—but if you really want to keep that 1916 date on the summary table, then I would encourage you to at least acknowledge its legendary origins by adding "by tradition" or something similar after it on the table.

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:::Ah cheers, mate, and yet you didn't cite a reference when you changed that date on that article's summary table either. Honestly, a precedent appears to have long since been set on Wikipedia where the article summary tables rarely use citations (presumably as a space-saving technique because the citations are theoretically provided elsewhere within the actual text of the article itself). Regardless, if you check my posting history, I am somewhat infamous for meticulously providing references within summary tables all the same. In this particular case I did not but that was only because I had previously provided not one but ''two'' citations for the 1967 date in question within the main table that includes the master list of all-time winners—so the article's summary table at the top can be backchecked up against the main table for those particular references.

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