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List of equipment of the Russian Ground Forces

May I ask why you reverted my edit to List of equipment of the Russian Ground Forces ↗? There is no indication of the date "currently" applies to. As an editor you can, at best, say it's a list as of today, you can't say the list is correct when a reader looks at it next month, next year, whenever. Cabayi (talk) 16:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:Then, you can just delete the word currently. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding unsigned ↗ comment added by XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk • contribs ↗) 11:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)</span> <small>from Special:Diff/1031218116 ↗</small>
::That would leave it as an undated list of equipment. Why wouldn't their WW2 equipment belong in the list if it were undated? The list was current at some point in time, but not "currently". The point in time needs to be specified, not removed, nor its omission concealed. Asking {{tl|when}} achieves that. Cabayi (talk) 12:55, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Kronshtadt Orion

Dear, for the Kronshtadt Orion ↗ page, you modified the information regarding the procurement by saying that the Russian MoD had bought 5 batches of Orion drones. However, if we look at the 2 sources you added, it mentions 5 batches of Sirius drones, which is another Russian drone with 2 engines. I thought at first that the source was just confused between the names, but no, the source also states that the Sirius has 2 engines, so they know it is not the Orion. Thus, I wonder, are the sources you added completely wrong? Because, if we read elsewhere, it is the Orion that was purchased by the Russian military, not the Sirius. The Sirius does not even exist nowadays, there is only one mock-up. However, if the source is correct, then we should write in the article that it is the Sirius version that was purchased. We would also need to add a section about the Sirius in the Orion article (as it seems that the Sirius is a modified variant of the Orion, however I would prefer to write a new wikipedia page about the Sirius, it looks more than a variant. The problem being that sources are very confusing about all these Russian drones). What do you think? - Geektrooper2

Kronshtadt Sirius

For clarification,
- is the Sirius you are talking about in the Orion article this one: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkH1fckU8AECUk0?format=jpg&name=large It looks quite different from the Orion, it looks like another new drone.
- Or do you simply mean an upgraded variant of the Orion which looks like the Orion.

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:I do have another account under the name HELLAS1990 but I will not use it anymore. No, I don't work with people outside Wikipedia. XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 10:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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:All right, but what do you mean about "bad writing"; I just wrote what is contained in the sources (which you call "fine"). Can you give me an idea about how should I write; Especially I can't find a reason for reverting my edit in the Russian Ground Forces page. In both cases, I just updated the pages (which are relied on sources from 2022 while the situation has obviously changed) using only reliable Western sources. And about references' format, I understand, but I am a person with disabilities, I write using the On-Screen Keyboard, so it's difficult for me. I suppose someone else (or you;) can do it. XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 08:14, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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:First of all, as far as I understand, none questions the veracity of the content I added or the reliability of sources like the NATO Commander in Europe, the Guardian or Politico. Someone had a problem with my wording (I did what he asked), you don't want the content to be in the lead section. So, I will put it to the "History" section. If it is removed again, I will have to ask for a dispute resolution because the article must be politically neutral and reflect recent changes. Otherwise, I will have to think that some people here want only negative content in the article. XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 10:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::Where in this message does anything mention "veracity" of content? The problem is that you are edit warring, and doing so against established guidelines like WP:LEAD ↗. Please read the talk page discussions (in which you were pinged) rather than making straw man arguments. You shoehorning content that doesn't exist within the body of the article into the lead does nothing about neutrality. TylerBurden (talk) 20:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I put it in the "History" section. Is it OK now? XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 14:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Territorial control of Donetsk Oblast during the Russo-Ukrainian War

Hello, I believe you were trying to constructively update Territorial control of Donetsk Oblast during the Russo-Ukrainian War ↗, but I have removed your edits for now, because of multiple errors. In several cases you broke citation formatting, and once it looked as if you inserted content into the middle of an existing citation. Feel free to re-add your changes, but please use Preview. Thank you, Jessicapierce (talk) 19:51, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

:Since you are claiming that the Russian MoD being a propaganda source that makes false claims is my subjective opinion, here's a source saying exactly that: https://odessa-journal.com/isw-russian-mod-inflates-claims-to-push-false-narrative-of-inevitable-victory-in-ukraine.
:Your constant promotional edits about the Russian military and its "successes" citing either unreliable sources or giving undue weight is WP:TENDENTIOUS ↗, and it has gone on long enough, that you're bold enough to edit war and violate WP:ONUS ↗ regarding it makes it even more problematic. TylerBurden (talk) 16:31, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
::Relax. First of all, you probably didn't see my edit. I didn't change "Contested". I just added the Russian claim using the pro-Ukrainian ISW as a source. Even the Ukrainian "Deep State" doesn't say anything very different. You give me a Ukrainian source to prove that everything comes from Russia is a lie - unless of course if it comes from the Russian opposition. Like you expected that Ukrainians would say anything else - or Russians would say anything good about the Ukrainians. By the way, almost all of my recent edits used Ukrainian or Western sources like Militarnyi, Defence Blog (not actually a blog), MSN, and others. Anyway, I don't want any edit war. Maybe should we ask for a third person's opinion; XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 17:22, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
:::The ISW is a Ukrainian source? Because I'm guessing you didn't read past the part of Odessa, but here's another link then: https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-25-2025/, though I think it's pretty incredible that sources need to be provided that Russian state affiliated sources promote false information, maybe you're eager to take Russian reports at face value, that doesn't stop them from being unreliable on a neutral encyclopedia.
:::Per the sources, it's contested, literally only the Russian MoD has claimed it is fully captured, and it's the worst source, so it makes no sense giving it undue weight aside from pushing a Russian POV. TylerBurden (talk) 18:24, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
::::And to add, you're claiming you're citing MSN, you're not. You were literally warned about using MSN republishing and presenting it as actually being original MSN content in the section above by another editor, and you did the exact same thing here ↗, except that this time instead of using it to conceal the actual source being TASS, it was "Carro e Motos". TylerBurden (talk) 18:37, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::Don't be that hostile. No, ISW is not a Ukrainian source but it's far from being a neutral source either (I don't question its reliability of course). You talk about neutrality but you are anything but neutral - and I don't think I have to prove that. Anyway, I will restore my edit in the Su-34 article using the Ukrainian Militarnyi as a source. I suppose you are OK with that. XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 19:20, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::You would very much have to prove it, I'm not the one citing unreliable sources, misrepresenting sources, and giving undue weight to a dictator state that is murdering civilians daily (while constantly making promotional edits about its military), and now engaging in edit warring to achieve the above.
::::::Calling you out on your disruptive editing is not hostility, it's dealing with an issue plaguing this site, instead of making false WP:ASPERSIONS ↗, back up your claims with evidence, as I have done here, because until you do all it is is deflecting by a WP:TENDENTIOUS ↗ editor. TylerBurden (talk) 19:44, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I don't have to prove anything really. Your own reply actually proves how much biased you are against Russia. Neutrality is to present all points of view of an subject. It seems your only purpose here is to add content that supports your bias and delete everything contradicting. I have been doing other things too. For example, many of my recent edits were about the armed forces of my country, Greece. About the accusation of me be a "promoter" of the Russian Army, I give you the interview of another famous promoter of Russia - the mayor of Kyiv - to a notorious instrument of Russian propaganda - POLITICO. He says things I never dared to write here using any Russian source or any Russian official. https://www.politico.eu/article/war-in-ukraine-draft-age-russia-vitali-klitschko/ XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::This shows your lack of understanding of even basic Wikipedia policy like WP:NPA ↗ and WP:DUE ↗.
::::::::Yes, completely unfounded WP:ASPERSIONS ↗ need to be backed up, me saying that a dictator state that is murdering civilians is a dictator state murdering civilians on this talk page has nothing to do with me being not being neutral, because unlike you I don't let my personal opinions let me do things like push undue weight and misrepresent references.
::::::::"'''Neutrality is to present all points of view of an subject'''"
::::::::Are you really this clueless about WP:NPOV ↗, or are you just reinventing it on the spot to align with your desire to give unreliable Russian sources the weight you wanna give them? Read again: "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV)which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic."
::::::::But sure, getting in the way of your hobby adding obscure drones to this encyclopedia citing blogs, citing Russian state media, or even me adding facts that don't seem to align with your favourable view of the Russian military like it using e-scooters and donkeys, means I'm "biased against Russia", what's next, gonna accuse me of "Russophobia ↗"?
::::::::Your response here is telling, instead of owning up to your disruptive editing, you're doubling down and deflecting, seems like there's little to do here other than start considering bringing your behavior to administrator's attention on WP:AN/I ↗ or WP:AE ↗. TylerBurden (talk) 17:58, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

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November 2025

25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hi XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024! I noticed that you recently made an edit at :List of equipment of the Russian Ground Forces ↗ and marked it as "minor", but it may not have been. On Wikipedia, "minor edit ↗" refers only to superficial edits that could never be disputed, such as fixing typo ↗s or reverting obvious vandalism ↗. Any edit that changes the <em>meaning</em> of an article is not minor, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you.  TylerBurden (talk) 18:43, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

:But I just added references to two systems - Murmansk-BN and Pole-21 - which existed without citations and used Forbes and United States Naval Institute as sources! What's wrong with that; XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 12:31, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with you not using the minor edit function appropriately? TylerBurden (talk) 18:20, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
:::OK, I will not repeat it. XANTHO GENOS 5.5.2024 (talk) 19:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)