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Mauricio Lomonte ↗

Hola, vi tu pregunta sobre la creación del artículo "Mauricio Lomonte" y es solo para decirte que creé este artículo si quieres editarlo. Lamento mucho que no tenga una computadora, pero ahora puede editar este artículo si lo desea. No olvide utilizar fuentes confiables para todo lo que escriba. Average Portuguese Joe (talk) 01:37, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Muchas gracias/Muito obrigado/Thanks.

Realmente te estoy sumamente agradecido. Afortunadamente existen personas solidarias dispuestas a ayudar a los demás como usted.
Lo que sucede es que (como decía mi anterior mensaje) en mi país es muy difícil acceder a una computadora con internet: tener eso se considera casi un privilegio aquí; mientras que el internet en teléfonos móviles no existió en mi país hasta hace tres años. Pero me apasiona poder contribuir a mejorar y expandir Wikipedia, y trato de hacerlo siempre a pesar de la falta de recursos tecnológicos en mi país.
Soy de Cuba, aunque realmente tengo doble nacionalidad: cubana y española (ésta última heredada de mi padre) aunque siempre he vivido en Cuba.
Nuevamente, GRACIAS por la ayuda.

Por cierto, tengo una pregunta: ¿Eres de Portugal? Lo pregunto por tu nombre de usuario
Aziyade Gil (talk) 05:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

RE: Canal Habana

Hola Aziyade, ya he creado el artículo Canal Habana ↗ por lo que ya puedes extenderlo. Lo que quería informarte es que no hace falta tener computadora para crear artículos en Wikipedia, yo he creado todos mis artículos desde mi teléfono sin problema alguno, solo debes ponerlo en "modo escritorio". Espero haberte ayudado, saludos. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 18:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Realmente te estoy sumamente agradecido. Afortunadamente existen personas solidarias dispuestas a ayudar a los demás como usted.
Solo tengo una duda (y por favor, perdona mi ignorancia): Cómo se pone el teléfono en "modo escritorio"?
Te pido que no pienses que esa pregunta es una broma de mal gusto, lo que sucede es que en mi país (Cuba) casi nadie usa así los teléfonos celulares y menos para editar Wikipedia, en Cuba hay muy pocos wikipedistas.
Por favor, te agradecería si pudieras enviarme una explicación (o la dirección de algún sitio web) para aprender a poner el teléfono en modo escritorio.
Perdoname las molestias y nuevamente MUCHAS GRACIAS por la ayuda Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

::Lamento mucho la situación por la que está atravesando tu país y no es molestia alguna, espero esto ↗ te sirva para guiarte. Saludos desde Paraguay. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 23:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
:::Ya los he enlazado mi amigo. También puedes enlazar en Wikidata desde el modo escritorio en tu teléfono, solo tienes que presionar en el icono que tiene una tuerca situado en el margen izquierdo donde dice "Languages". Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 00:24, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Andy Garcia

Hello, I saw you edit Andy Garcia's page and incurred violation of Wikipedia's Guidelines. I am here to tell you that it should not happen again. If so. you'll be reportedJack Morales Garcia (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2021 (UTC).

Hola colega:

Te escribo en español porque en tu página de usuario dices que eres de Puerto Rico, así que supongo que entenderás lo que escribo.

Primeramente quería pedirte perdón por demorar tanto tiempo en responderte, es que he estado enfrentando problemas desde hace algún tiempo para acceder a mi cuenta de usuario.

Ante todo quisiera pedir perdón si incurrí en una violación de Wikipedia, solo pretendía corregir algo: es que Andy García es cubano-estadounidense, ya que él nació en Cuba. Yo solo pretendía mejorar el contenido de ese artículo. Pero en todo caso, si hice algo mal hecho estoy dispuesto a ser receptivo para mejorar la calidad de mis ediciones y que eso no vuelva a ocurrir.

Quisiera pedirte por favor que me respondas a este mensaje para saber por qué esa edición en el artículo de Andy Garcia es una violación (teniendo en cuenta que el contenido de mi edición era verídico). Si me respondieras, te lo agradeceré mucho. De antemano, muchas gracias.

(Quisiera pedirte, si no es molestia, que me respondieras en español en caso de que sepas hablarlo, ya que yo entiendo mejor ese idioma que el inglés) Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

'''Sobre el asunto de Andy Garcia ↗''': Creo que Jack Morales Garcia esta equivocado y que no hay ninguna violacion de Wikipedia de describer a Andy Garcia como "Cuban-American" - es mas, que creo que es mas comun en Wikipedia ver estas descripciones -- Con todo respeto, me gustaria saber la referencia en Wikipedia donde demanda que se identifiquen a las personas solamente como dice el Sr. Jack Morales Garcia - Gracias.--BoriquaZurdo (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for taking my time. Yes this is a different account used by my brother that I've recently made. Apparently due to a glitch I couldn't get on the talk page. Anyways. MOSCONTEXTBOI clearly states. that place of birth, ethnicity and former nationality shouldn't be brought up. Unless relevant. You can look up yourself. Garcia does not currently hold dual citizenship and the trend of hyphenated Americans is used by those ignorant of this. Bethany Sanders alias JMG (talk) 12:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

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Muchas gracias Aziyade Gil (talk) 00:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Aziyade Gil, note that you are misinterpreting the external linking policy when quoting it in your edit summaries. A link to a social media website can be included if there is no official website link in the article and it's a verified account controlled by the subject. In the couple of cases I checked you added social networking sites when an official website is already included in the article. Regards, -- <span style="color: Navy;">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</span><sup><span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span></sup> 19:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry. I ask that you please forgive me.

What happened is that I did not interpret that policy correctly. But I assure you that I made those edits in good faith. Aziyade Gil (talk) 20:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
:I always assumed good faith, just wanted you to know why I reverted a couple of your additions! -- <span style="color: Navy;">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</span><sup><span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span></sup> 20:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kindness and also for your explanations. Aziyade Gil (talk) 20:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

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Muchas gracias por toda tu cortesía siempre, Crystallizedcarbon. I agree with you ... let's do it better! And let's make Wikipedia better this year (enwiki and eswiki). Best wishes Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:54, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, Aziyade! Regarding this edit ↗, it goes without saying that I know that Spanish citizenship/nationality is not granted per ''ius soli ↗'', so stricly speaking is not entirely redundant with the birthplace, but at the same time we usually don't have a way to accede to that knowledge (the citizenship). Vis-à-vis the infobox, I understand the notability of the citizenship in politicians, diplomats, military people et al... (and we can, by proxy, make some assumptions under some of these scenarios, namely some of those occupations in a given country have a ''requisite'' of citizenship in such country), not so much in artists. All in all this thing about artists is ''my'' reasoning, but it actually happens to go hand in hand with WP:INFONAT ↗ (an actual MOS guideline), even with the caveats that we can't really assume the citizenship from the birthplace in the case of Spain (or most of the Old World for that matter). Be as it may, please observe that there is no obligation to fill the parametre, so I suggest you to be flexible, considering both to take decisions on a case by case basis as well as considering not trying to fix something that may not be wrong, particularly when you may be shoehorning a WP:BLP ↗ infobox parametre that you may not be able to source properly.--Asqueladd (talk) 00:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hola Asqueladd:

Te escribo en idioma español porque en tu página de usuario dice que dominas este idioma, así que imagino que entenderás lo que escribo. O sea, ¿lo que me quisiste decir en inglés es que donde puede ser más necesario el parámetro "''nationality''" es en las biografías de políticos, diplomáticos y militares?

Te agradecería sí pudieras responderme. De antemano, muchas gracias.
Aziyade Gil (talk) 00:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
::Hola, Aziyade Gil. No, no te estoy sugiriendo (menos aún "dándote permiso" o also así) que hagas ninguna batería de ediciones en masa aplicada a los "otros casos". En realidad, te desaconsejo cualquier tipo de edición masiva (esto es, en serie a lo largo de muchos artículos) que no sea aplicación de una ''policy'' o ''guideline'', y esto no lo es. Lo cierto es que me parece que estás pisando charcos innecesariamente aproximándote a la edición desde unas ambiciones homogeneizadoras bastante maximalistas a la vez que vas contra el espíritu de WP:INFONAT ↗, que deriva en que el patrón de ediciones me parece algo problemático por falta de flexibilidad. Además, rellenar un parámetro de una infobox de una biografía de una persona viva ↗ implica dar un valor "duro" a un biodato, que deberías ser capaz de referenciar con fuentes secundarias, y no tanto inferir (menos aún "suponer"). E, independientemente de si el propósito de fondo sería pertinente o no en una situación ideal, es un problema con el que te vas a dar de bruces continuamente porque referenciar determinadas cosas ''bien'' no es un tema trivial (es posible que sea, aparte de la optimización, una de las razones ''de ser'' de WP:INFONAT ↗). También te aviso de que muchos editores de Wikipedia en inglés trabajan con la hipótesis de que se justifica la nacionalidad como ''dato duro'' no solapado con la ciudadanía, al contrario que lo étnico, que no estaría digamos suficientemente bien definido (este último dato está "deprecated" como parámetro de infobox, ojo). Un saludo.--Asqueladd (talk) 01:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Sí, en ese sentido creo entender lo que dices: Supongo que te refieres a que en Wikipedia en inglés no se debe usar el origen étnico de una persona como sinónimo de "nacionalidad"... Como en el caso de lo que tú corregiste en esta edición:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1068450299

En realidad ese parámetro de "nationality" en el artículo de Fernando Fernán Gómez ↗ lo añadí yo... Perdón, no sabía que no era correcto. Aziyade Gil (talk) 02:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
::Regarding Gaudí... Kinda... The current setup of the infobox of that article vis-à-vis the inclusion of nationality looks like a compromise in regard of the current setup of the article's opening statement. Perhaps ''citizenship'' instead of ''nationality'' could be even more innocuous. Suffice to say, I am sure that the issue has been throughougly discussed in this case (a cultural icon up for "grabs"), so I advice you not to invest time to try to modify that opening statement.--Asqueladd (talk) 02:15, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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:Interesting... I have read that internet access in the island is not smooth. Those are not biodata I am willing to disclose in here, but they are biodata I may be willing to share with you via mail if you are curious. :-)--Asqueladd (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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I'm not the best person to answer that question. Owing to my own limitations, I generally produce content which is susceptible to copyedit. Just be bold and do your best. It can be fixed later. Regards.--Asqueladd (talk) 22:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Regional and national origin

Please stop changing 'Catalan' to 'Spanish' in biographies. Regional and national origin is a sensitive issue, and this is disruptive. :Àngel Guimerà ↗, for example, was a key figure in the :Renaixença ↗: One could hardly be more closely linked to the Catalan language and culture. Consensus in a 2018 RfC ↗ is that if someone is strongly identified with a region such as Catalonia or the Basque Country, their biography should say that. Thank you. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 20:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

:But that has a consensus solution. MOS states that the country of origin should be used in the intro. The '''Spanish from Catalonia''' or '''Catalan from Spain''' was proposed in an RfC on the matter as a intermediate solution. So, in the case of Àngel Guimerà ↗, the consensus must also be fulfilled; as well as Laura Borràs ↗, Artur Mas ↗ or Carles Puigdemont ↗ Aziyade Gil (talk) 21:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
::Please re-read the discussion you had with Czar and Crystallizedcarbon. Both of them explained that you misunderstood the RfCs and consensus around the matter. Two months have passed, and you're still doing the same thing that they asked you to stop doing. Here I am, a third person asking you to stop. Consider the possibility that you are, indeed, wrong about this. And please indent your talk page posts ↗. Thank you. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 22:10, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry if I made a mistake in my edits again, maybe it's true that in those cases I should have added "from Spain". But according to what Crystallizedcarbon said it's fine to add ''from Spain'' to an article if it originally said ''Catalan'' or add ''from Catalonia'' if it originally said ''Spanish'', as a possible consensus solution Aziyade Gil (talk) 22:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

De cualquier manera, le deseo a usted que tenga un buen día. Saludos Aziyade Gil (talk) 00:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks, you too. (Best to stick to English here, this being the English Wikipedia. It can seem unfriendly to communicate in a language not everyone here might understand, even if it's not meant that way.) Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 01:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Leoni Torres

Hello, Aziyade Gil,

Thank you for creating Leoni Torres ↗.

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