User Talk: Blippy1998

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March 2012

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Hi Blippy,
I notice you have changed from UK to US spellings in Flight planning ↗. I have reversed these changes in accordance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English ↗: in brief, unless an article has strong ties to a particular country, the spelling used by the first non-trivial version of the article is to be kept, in order to avoid wasteful edit wars. Murray Langton (talk) 08:24, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Environmental impact

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: Hi, {{ping|Gnom}}! I was actually looking through the profile of {{ping|Prcc27}} in relation to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact ↗, and saw the Environmental Impact section.

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oh huh

just found out that {{tl|Parliament diagram}} exists and is used on a bunch of articles. think the look of the new one is better though. Morwen (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah I stumbled upon that one before finding the one you created but it was obviously not what I was looking for. It looks like you're kinda trying to merge them now - is that right? While I strongly prefer the seat diagram as created by that online tool (which Module:Legislature diagram ↗ already implemented almost perfectly after all your hard work and now implements ~perfectly with the minor tweaks I added with that flag, at least apparently for American diagrams), I don't know which articles Module:Parliament diagram ↗ is used on or whether those people prefer that appearance. I tend to prefer to edit templates, modules, etc., that are already in use in such a way that the existing usages don't change at all. That's why I put the minor tweaks to Module:Legislature diagram ↗ behind a flag - I figured there were existing pages where people may prefer the appearance generated by the behavior with the flag unset (I didn't realize at the time that it was a brand-new module).
:Anyway, I still owe you a rundown of my grand idea (lol) that you sounded interested in. I'll get around to it but not rn.
:Blippy1998 (talk) 07:24, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
::@Morwen this edit ↗ breaks compatibility with the toolforge appearance. if consensus is to use the toolforge appearance (which i think is the case at least on American diagrams), the default should be black casings off for non-vacancies, or at least to have an option to turn them off. i'll add an option to bring this back Blippy1998 (talk) 17:17, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid casings are necessary for accessibility and darkmode, and particularly accessibility is not something that pages should be able to opt out of. If you have a solution that maintains accessibility and darkmode support I'm happy to implement it. Morwen (talk) 17:34, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
::::Can you explain please what effect it has on accessibility? If it has to do with a wide variety of colors, remember that in almost every American diagram, there's only red, white, and blue, and the US House diagram is big enough that the black borders dramatically reduce clarity. If there's still a problem with accessibility that I'm missing, I'm happy to try to think of ways to fix it, but there would be a risk of going against consensus. Blippy1998 (talk) 17:41, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::WP:ACCDD ↗ first point - colour contrast. it may be we can work out automatically whether the colours are accessibility-safe - see West Lothian Council ↗ for an example where they definitely are not. Morwen (talk) 18:23, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::against the white/gray background, you mean? like the yellow for SNP and gray for independents? it could be useful to find an automatic way to handle that. i do think that having a manual override is fine, though - for diagrams where the colors are known to be easily discernible against the background and where there isn't likely to be any sudden entry of a member whose party color would blend in, setting the flag that uses no borders should carry no downsides. i also don't know exactly what the requirements should be. like, sure, red with a thin black border on white is only slightly more visible than red on white to me in most cases, but it might help somebody a lot more - and, then again, it might not and maybe red on white is just fine. at the very least, we could scale the size of the border with the size of the circle rather than setting it to a constant, even if that's what toolforge did.
::::::i'm not sure what you mean about dark mode, as having a black border around a dark color wouldn't help much if the background is black, but i don't really have a clean way of handling that. Blippy1998 (talk) 18:40, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::there's a white casing around the number of seats for dark mode. sorry i didnt realise you didnt know that. clearly if you didnt you cant have been referring to it. Morwen (talk) 19:43, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::right, gotcha.
::::::::i'm gonna try to implement a condition that checks whether a color would be AA-compliant with WCAG 2 against both #FFFFFF white and #000000 black backgrounds and add a border around the circle if it isn't. this might be too computationally intensive so i might use the YIQ calculation instead.
::::::::Blippy1998 (talk) 00:18, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::thats sounds great and i cant imagine it will be too expensive - ive manged to get this far in implementing some non trivial GIS prototypes
before i exceeded the limits. Morwen (talk) 00:38, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

:oh wow, lol. i gotta imagine that is a bit of a misuse of the lua server, but cool. :P anyway, done! Blippy1998 (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::although instead of white, i might suggest #F8F9FA, the infobox color (or #EAECF0, the table color, but that should be less common - at least weighted by readership). this does put a few party colors ''very'' slightly out of WCAG-compliance, but those party colors would be exclusively medium grays, which strikes me as unlikely to be common. the upside of using the infobox color is that you don't get visible white borders when in light mode. i think this is probably a fine tradeoff. Blippy1998 (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::never mind; for graphics, #F8F9FA is still universally WCAG-compliant as long as the circles and borders are both large enough (like 2-3 pixels wide each i think). i hope you don't mind that i've changed it to that. i guess ultimately it's not entirely clear to me that it should be inconsistent like this, since users may wonder why some have borders and some don't, but accessibility is definitely good. maybe we just do both black and white borders instead of getting cute with this algorithm Blippy1998 (talk) 01:37, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::::well, @Morwen, sorry for mangling it a bit yesterday (see #Lua errors ↗ below), but i did end up getting it working. honestly, though, as per above ("ultimately it's not entirely clear to me that it should be inconsistent like this, since users may wonder why some have borders and some don't"), i think it would just be better to do black borders for all or black borders for vacancies only, rather than doing this calculation, with a second, #F8F9FA border around the black one, so it's visible on all circles. apparently that approach is still WCAG-compliant. in other words, the default would be that every circle has a black ring around it and then an #F8F9FA ring around that, with the black_border_only_for_vacancies flag preserving the old toolforge behavior. any thoughts on that? i'm not keen to jump right on it, seeing as accessibility standards have already been met, but if you don't love the current look of it, double-borders (achieved by drawing circles on top of each other rather than using borders alone) is one idea to change it. (fwiw, btw, it just so happens that Republican red doesn't need a border and Democratic blue needs a light border, meaning that on default settings, the vast majority of American diagrams would look identical using the current version of the code ↗ to how they currently do even without forcing the toolforge behavior.) Blippy1998 (talk) 14:50, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, i was imagining we'd see if any of the colours (apart from vacancies) didn't meet the contrast standard and then draw cases on all of them if any if them needed them; but if the democrat blue is judged to be not contrasty enough that's not gonna work is it. hmm. i think at one point i had a threshold based on number of seats? could we try that again? one thing we should do btw is set up an actual sandbox version of the module and template and that way we can experiment there to our hearts content without changing live - it's even better than the preview and testcases stuff that i see you've learned about. Morwen (talk) 14:59, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::yes i suppose a sandbox sounds good, although i'm still not 100% sure how we'd test it.
::::::yeah i wrote a comment somewhere about the seat thresholds, and i brought them back for the line thickness, actually. for accessibility, though, i think the current version is WCAG-compliant for typical views of Wikipedia, so i'm not too fussed about editing it a ton atm.
::::::Blippy1998 (talk) 18:22, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Lua errors

Seems to be a rash of new Articles with script errors ↗ resulting from your recent changes to Module:Legislature diagram ↗. Can you look into that? '''<span style="color:#00d5ff">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 01:44, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

:aah! i thought i checked. yes i'm on it thanks Blippy1998 (talk) 01:45, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::That was effing quick. Thank you! '''<span style="color:#00d5ff">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 01:46, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::fixed Blippy1998 (talk) 02:03, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks for getting right on it! Might be worth adding some more testcases? '''<span style="color:#00d5ff">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 02:06, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::heh... test cases? it sounds like it might be worthwhile, yeah, but i'm probably not the guy to add them... :/ Blippy1998 (talk) 02:08, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think you may need to revert your changes until you figure this out... Still a number of pages broken...
:::::* People's Assembly of Syria ↗
:::::* Flintshire County Council ↗
:::::* 2026 Ethiopian general election ↗
:::::to name a few... {{clc|Category:Articles with script errors}} '''<span style="color:#00d5ff">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 02:10, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::yup, i see that and i'm looking into it. sorry for the goofs. do you have rollback privileges? i don't. last known good is this one ↗, i think. Blippy1998 (talk) 02:12, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Done. '''<span style="color:#00d5ff">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 02:18, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::thanks. i think i've figured it out. i think the special case assigned to vacancies makes certain invocations that notate vacancies with a term outside the few prescribed terms allowed pass nil values.
::::::::i don't know how to test modules, btw. i've been testing by just changing it and looking at a few pages to see if they're not broken. Blippy1998 (talk) 02:54, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::that said, by the way, i think the safest approach would be to just add one or a few fallbacks to return default values if something is unexpected. that should at least avoid script errors. Blippy1998 (talk) 03:06, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::If you are going to be writing Lua code, I would STRONGLY advise you to look into unit testing. Take a look at the cases I wrong for Module:Person date ↗ , found here ↗. Happy to help if you want but I know nothing about the module you are working on... '''<span style="color:#00d5ff">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 03:13, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::the module draws SVGs, so the most direct way of testing it is by looking at the template test cases that the author of the module apparently already made. i've added a bunch to those. short of trying to figure out potential inputs to and outputs of every intermediate function, this should at least be pretty good. i've checked my desired change against several of the examples that failed before (now reproduced in the test cases), plus all the other test cases, and all look good now. hopefully it doesn't cause script errors elsewhere; i'll keep an eye on that category page. if script errors come up en masse, i'll self-revert (unless somebody beats me to it) and probably admit defeat on this specific feature. thanks for your attention and effort so far! Blippy1998 (talk) 04:03, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sounds good! Appreciate your work. '''<span style="color:#00d5ff">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 04:04, 10 July 2026 (UTC)