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September 2025

I have found a better source for Vivek Ramaswamy's endorsement of Nate Morris in the 2026 United States Senate election in Kentucky ↗:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/conservative-billionaire-pac-backs-nate-165034046.html

In your view, do Dick Uihlein ↗ (the main subject of the article) and/or his PAC also merit inclusion? Bram880 (talk) 20:41, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Uihlein has a Wikipedia page, so yes. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Question

Hi, could you confirm that for job titles in a 'Candidates' section, you should only have 1 current title (political or non-political) and a second one for former offices held or seats run for?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025_Tennessee%27s_7th_congressional_district_special_election&action=history Aesurias (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

:What I’m having trouble understanding is why we can’t include information such as Brandon Ogles being related to Andy Ogles, Tres Wittum’s participation in previous elections, and the other candidate’s involvement in a notable event (January 6). These details aren’t about their occupations but rather provide relevant background and context about the candidates. GatewayPolitics (talk) 22:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::I actually certainly agree with you and had previously done such things, but they were removed by other editors and I was informed of the rule I told you about. I think its because often it makes it much harder to read Aesurias (talk) 22:29, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:No, it's common practice to include past runs for office because it's important context. My general rule of thumb is 1 current job title, then 1 other thing that would be considered especially noteworthy to the average reader (like a past high-ranking government office or involvement in a large-scale event like January 6), and then any notable past runs for office. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 22:35, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::That's what I thought, thanks for clarifying. GatewayPolitics (talk) 22:38, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Lol I apologise. 🙏🏽💙 I have been told other things by other people. Relation to Andy Ogles is also notable so that makes sense Aesurias (talk) 22:43, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Can we talk about the endorsements

Hey, I think we should talk about the endorsements. Our lists are far too bare often cutting out quite important roles. If you don’t like everything I’m doing that fine, but let’s talk about it. For Florida I did a full in depth update of the whole thing. Yes I added a lot more detail on the different peoples roles, but I also did other things that in my opinion are objectively good

for example, a citation had the wrong author so I went in and fixed it, Brian Ballard was cited as an endorsement when it was Brian D. Ballard who endorsed him. Joe Gebbia was appointed into the Trump administration so it made sense to move him and add his new role, one of the state senators that endorsed him became chair of the rnc, a pretty big role with no mention so I moved him and the former chair of the florida Republican Party into one group. I got rid of many of the sherrifs who didn’t have pages, because it is my philosophy that if you don’t have a page why should be on the endorsement list, i moved the us representatives to the main part of the page. I actually listed the state senators instead of just saying “10 state senators, there were many other small changes I made too but I get if you don’t like the main part.

i want to collaborate on this and work together to make these endorsement boxes significantly better because I feel they are often scarce on detail, omitting important endorsements for the sake of saying “10 state senators” or whatever the hell and then include random people without pages that lets be honest, do not need to be there.

i hope we can work together Gopackgo009 (talk) 14:02, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

Your edit includes the fact that Mike Johnson--the speaker of the house--is a former state representative. It mentions that Scott Franklin--a U.S. Representative--used to be on a local city council. Come on. This would be an excessive amount of detail even for a candidate in the election. For an endorser--someone who is barely related to the topic at hand--it is ridiculous. Endorsement boxes tend to be long as it is. If we include a full resume for every single person in the endorsement box, the endorsement section would be longer than the rest of the article. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 23:21, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

:I have no issue with removing that part. It’s the other stuff I care about. I’m only picking this fight over Florida for that reason. Gopackgo009 (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

::Please let’s work together.

::the Florida endorsement section was appalling for a long time. It’s the only one I care about because the others don’t have the huge issues. I’ll stop this going forward, but I legitimately do want to make these better

::im going to undo it and I ask that before you undo what I did, go through and delete the unnecessary roles. I’ll delete the ones you mentioned myself Gopackgo009 (talk) 03:57, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

:::2026 Florida gubernatorial election#Endorsements ↗

:::Seeing as you've reverted it again and it now looks undeniably messy...please explain how this has fixed the "appalling" endorsement section - to me it is unreadable, and you've used - instead of – for the years which has made it even messier.

:::Why would I need to know that congressman John Rutherford was the Sheriff of Jacksonville 2 decades ago? It's an unnecessary info dump on a page that is ''not'' about John Rutherford. Aesurias (talk) 04:03, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

::::I’ll delete Rutherford sheriff thing.

::::any others that are pressing

::::i could delete any former role held by someone currently in office, if that sounds good

::::im still learning sorry.

::::i just was trying to find something to do on the train from school man Gopackgo009 (talk) 04:09, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::It's okay, and its great that you're interested in editing :) Please don't take this as a front to you or anything, I made many mistakes when I first starting editing (I still do now).

:::::I don't have time to do it myself but someone will have to put the state legislators back into the '[x number of] state senators' format it was before, with a note that shows the full list with names. It stretches on for too long right now.

:::::Thank you for being so open to feedback Aesurias (talk) 04:13, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::"i could delete any former role held by someone currently in office" is a good general rule, just be sure to always double check that the former role isn't something they're very well known for.

:::::i.e. I just edited a few then for Florida, and even though Doug Burgum is Sec of the Interior, I kept his role as governor of North Dakota for 2 terms, as that is how he gained prominence within the Republican party and American politics.

:::::Also note that you don't need to write about committees they chaired or were in, as those are committees formed within Congress Aesurias (talk) 04:15, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

::::::Ok sounds good. And one quick thing the Doug burgum is an example of the issue here and why I did this.i saw things like that governorship of Kelly loefllers senate career (which she’s arguably better known for, and thank you for keeping) be omitted and when fixing it I went way to far “fixing” things that didn’t need fixing.

::::::the thing that kicked this off was the trump endorsement list. As someone who (at least my family) is republican I looked at the candidates and saw a big difference in how Kamala’s and trumps were reported. The one that really got on my nerves was rgiii for Kamala bc he said that Taylor’s endorsement of Kamala meant she would win. That’s not an endorsement, I could see a Republican senator say the same thing as I unseriously as rgiii did. I’m a big football fan and I saw this and compared it to the incredibly extreme rules and removals on the trump page. As a packers fan I remember when aj Dillion got removed even after he appeared at a trump event. On top of that many others were removed like maxx Crosby who maybe didn’t say hey I’m voting trump but he did call him a legend at take photos with him at event and did as much as you can do without a professional statement. Or Jonathan Martin, who in a cited interview with time magazine talked about why he was voting trump for crypto reasons, or Wesley Britt who frantically praised trump so his wife would get the endorsement for senate. These thing were being removed and I took a stance I wish I didn’t and thought I would match the rgiii thing. I did a lot of damage to that page, and people came after me did much worse. I’ll fix it some day soon, just not yet. Just trying to say im still learning and trying to be better. I’m really just learning how to cite better and other rules. Thank you

::::::I will be better and thank you so much Gopackgo009 (talk) 05:15, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Endorsements by individuals have very strict rules because falsely listing someone as an endorser can have severe percussions for Wikipedia itself.

:::::::RGIII shouldn't have been listed on the Harris endorsement list, while Dillon, Crosby & Britt shouldn't have been on the Trump endorsement list -- this is because none of them were verbal explicit endorsements.

:::::::Individuals stating something like "I'm supporting..." or "I'm voting..." is a complex situation, and usually discussed among editors to see if it is clearly 'supportive' enough to be listed as an endorsement. Many celebrities will share who they are voting for, without explicitly telling others to support them, so usually statements like that from Jonathan Martin are not considered endorsements.

:::::::I personally believe that Burgum's two terms as governor and Loeffler's (albeit short) senate career should be mentioned in an endorsements list as they're significant, but @BottleOfChocolateMilk may disagree. The basis, to me, is: if you asked a person on the street what Loeffler is "known for", would they describe her as the 'United States Administrator of the Small Business Administration', or a well-known & controversial senator in a swing state? I believe most would say the latter, so I didn't left it when I was editing.

:::::::Using that same thinking and applying it to someone else on the list, say for example Laurel Lee of FL-15, she's undoubtedly significantly more well known for being a congresswoman than she is for being the "former Judge of the Thirteenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida" from 2013 to 2019.

:::::::It's great you're so receptive to feedback and are open to your mistakes. Aesurias (talk) 06:18, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

:I've come here as I've seen @BottleOfChocolateMilk fixing some of your edits on the Virginia page (I already had to remove almost all of the endorsements you added as they came straight from Earle-Sears' website).
:You don't need to list every single job title a person has ever held. I certainly don't need to know that an endorser was the former minority leader of some random state senate 35 years ago.
:For example, I would go so far as to say that if an endorser is currently a congressman, and was formerly a state senator, you should only put their congressional district and not mention the state office part. It's just unneeded as they are not candidates in the election and are not related to the election Aesurias (talk) 01:22, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::I get that. And I’ll stop doing that. What I don’t like is the removal of godamn everything.
::yes I did that in Florida, but I also fixed incorrect citations, updated roles and did many other things
::the every job was never meant to stick. It was meant to give some more detail be reviewed and allow some of it to stick.
::i do it once and never again. I’ve only had an issue with the Florida one bc I did much more. But I do think detail matters but I don’t know which details do, so when I add guys I just look at their page and take those blue lines and stuff and put em in there.
::thats why I want compromise Gopackgo009 (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::"It was meant to give some more detail be reviewed and allow some of it to stick."
:::I don't understand why you would publish it then, especially in the same 'edit' as the fixing of incorrect citations? Do you expect other editors to comb through your edits to find which bits are salvageable?
:::Your edits in the Virginia endorsements section were also extremely overdetailed (some people had as many as 5 former job titles). For next time, when you're looking at the 'blue lines', consider if their current office held is ''more'' or ''less'' 'prestigious' or 'relevant' than former job titles.
:::Two examples:
:::- Mike Johnson ↗'s lengthy history as a state legislator isn't needed, as he advanced to be Speaker of the House and that is what he is known for.
:::- Frank Murkowski ↗ left the U.S. Senate and went on to serve as the Governor of Alaska. As he was in the Senate for over 2 decades, both those titles should be mentioned.
:::At least you are aware now so it won't happen again and your constructive edits like fixing citations will be kept. Aesurias (talk) 03:59, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Also plz note that you '''cannot''' list endorsements made by individuals or organizations that come from the candidate's website. It is not a reliable or independent source. See: Wikipedia:Endorsements ↗ Aesurias (talk) 04:00, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I didn’t know that before. I still think that rules dumb tho Gopackgo009 (talk) 04:10, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::::I’m still new here. And I’m improving, when I started I was much worse. I’m learning on the job. I won’t touch titles anymore just try to add new people and fix links and stuff. Or if they’re currently in a new title like Joe Gebbia on the Florida page Gopackgo009 (talk) 04:03, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::I agree, the rule is stupid -- why would someone running for a hotly contested governors race lie about endorsements on their official website? But nonetheless that is the rule Aesurias (talk) 04:11, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::That was about endorsements ^ Aesurias (talk) 04:11, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::I shouldn’t have done it either way but yeah there’s no reason for a major candidate of either party to lie about an endorsement for them Gopackgo009 (talk) 05:16, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Also random but I didn’t take that source outta nowhere it was already being used for the ## of state legislators part and I just took it and ran Gopackgo009 (talk) 05:17, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

Question about dates

1998 Ohio State Auditor election ↗

With the GOP primary candidate, the current wording is

Jim Petro ↗, incumbent Ohio State Auditor ↗ (1995–2003)

Should it read,

Jim Petro ↗, incumbent Ohio State Auditor ↗ (1995–present)

Because at the time of the election he was still in office? I've never been able to decide which one is *more right*

Aesurias (talk) 22:10, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

More on endorsements

Per the discussion here - I didn't see the boxes referred to, but this is my go to model for lists of endorsements that doesn't use the box:

List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign endorsements ↗ ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 07:43, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

:Also I undid a deletion of an endorsement, with reasons why on the talk pageProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 07:45, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

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Kinney Zalesne Wikipedia Page

Hi -- I have reviewed the critique of Kinney Zalesne's Wikipedia Page. Below is a revised proposal that is a more straightforward account of her public positions and contributions. All sources are notable, including independent profiles of Zalesne in The Philadelphia Inquirer, Washingtonian, and Jewish Insider. Zalesne has also been regularly quoted and published in The Wall Street Journal, The Christian Science Monitor, Politico, The New York Times, and elsewhere. Currently, she is a candidate for Congress and has received major national and local endorsements.

Thanks for considering this resubmission.

'''E. Kinney Zalesne''' (born 1966) is an American attorney, strategist, author, and political candidate. In 2025, she became a candidate for the District of Columbia at-large congressional delegate seat ↗.<ref>{{cite news
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She has held senior positions in government, political consulting, corporate strategy, and nonprofit organizations, including service as Counsel to the United States Attorney General ↗ Janet Reno ↗,<ref name="CYJ2021">{{cite web
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= Early life and education =
Zalesne was raised in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania ↗, and attended The Baldwin School ↗, where she participated in student government and varsity athletics.<ref>{{cite web
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She graduated ''magna cum laude'' from Yale University ↗ and ''cum laude'' from Harvard Law School ↗.<ref name="Bell2025">{{cite news
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= Career =

Government service

From 1991 to 1993, Zalesne served as a judicial law clerk ↗ to Judge J. William Ditter Jr. ↗<ref name="Goodman1995"/> She later worked as an Assistant District Attorney ↗ in Philadelphia ↗, including work related to ''Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. Mumia Abu-Jamal''. ↗<ref name="Goodman1995"/>

In 1995–1996, she was selected as a White House Fellow ↗ and served in the Domestic Policy Office of Vice President Al Gore. ↗<ref name="Goodman1995"/>

In 1997, she joined the U.S. Department of Justice ↗ and was later appointed Counsel to Attorney General Janet Reno. ↗<ref name="CYJ2021"/> She has been cited in reporting in ''The New York Times ↗'' regarding the United States Department of Justice ↗.<ref name="Liptak2003">{{cite news
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Consulting and nonprofit work

Zalesne worked at Penn, Schoen & Berland ↗, where she participated in political consulting work for national campaigns, including those of Bill Clinton ↗ and Hillary Clinton ↗.<ref name="Liptak2003"/>

In 2000, she became president of College Summit ↗, a nonprofit organization focused on college access.<ref name="Zalesne2020"/> The organization was recognized at the World Economic Forum ↗ in 2008.<ref>{{cite news
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Writing

Zalesne is a co-author of ''Microtrends (2007) ↗''. The book appeared on ''The New York Times ↗'' and ''The Wall Street Journal ↗'' bestseller lists.

She has also written opinion essays and commentary for publications including ''The Wall Street Journal ↗ <ref>{{cite web
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}}</ref>, ''Business Insider ↗'' <ref name="Zalesne2020"/>, ''The Christian Science Monitor ↗'' <ref>{{cite news
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}}</ref>.
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Private sector

In 2009, Zalesne founded an advisory firm focused on strategic communications.<ref name="Zalesne2020"/>

She joined Microsoft ↗ in 2013 and later served as a General Manager of Corporate Strategy.<ref name="Zalesne2020"/>
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Political activity

Zalesne has been involved in Democratic Party ↗ fundraising and organizing. She has served as a Deputy National Finance Chair of the Democratic National Committee ↗ and as National Co-Chair of Women for Biden and Women for Harris.<ref name="Doran2025">{{cite news
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In 2025, she filed to run for the District of Columbia’s at-large congressional delegate seat ↗.<ref name="Doran2025"/> According to ''Washington Jewish Week ↗'', her campaign is focused on D.C. autonomy, affordability, and safety.<ref name="Bell2025"/>
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= Personal life =
Zalesne lives in Washington, D.C. ↗, and has four children.<ref name="Doran2025"/> A 2023 profile in ''Washington Jewish Week ↗'' described her involvement in both national and community organizations.<ref>{{cite news
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= References =
{{reflist}} ~2026-18866-39 ↗ (talk) 05:13, 26 March 2026 (UTC)