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I don't think you're wrong ↗; obviously CCI is a laborious and painful system. It's gotten slightly less sluggish over the last few years, but the difficult and large investigations can take over a decade to complete. I'm interested to hear how you think it can be fixed up; it's in that paradox of "work that needs to be done, but there's not a lot of good ways to get it done".

Also, I don't think "{{tq|at his (rational) unwillingness to help use small fish to cut large trees}}" is totally accurate to what's going on here; It kind of makes it sound like PB has brushed off concerns about the CCI, but I haven't really seen him do that. Its PB's responses in reply to people investigating ''individual'' articles, outside of work on the CCI, that have been criticized. PB's discussion about the CCI with me ↗ was measured and insightful; it seems like if there was more follow-up, something productive could be done? Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 19:46, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

: Hi, {{u|Moneytrees}} — (1) First off, CCI needs to use random sampling to identify problem articles rather than attempting to verify every single edit. (2) There needs to be a statute of limitations on old editing, such as five years. Things get morphed over time and a close paraphrase fifteen years ago is apt not even to remotely resemble its original form now. (3) It's too easy to open a case on an old account, currently, as I understand it, three instances of bad editing opens a case — which for someone with 150,000 edits would be 0.002% of edits, I believe. Maybe three bad edits of the last 1,000 would be reasonable, but the current standard is ludicrous. (4) There should be no expectation made of the subject "helping to fix" the "problem" — which was what wiped out Richard Norton. If there's a problem with editing, it needs to be isolated, and if it is chronic and ongoing, the editor needs to be made to walk the plank. But forcing an editor with 100K edits to find 17 pieces of dried corn in a bag of 100,000 dried peas using a pair of tweezers — the current CCI system — before engaging in further editing has the same practical effect as a indefinite ban. (5) This might be a case where use of computer tools to find copyvio are appropriate.

: I don't know the specifics of the Southwood situation, but I do know what is fundamentally wrong with CCI and I do know that Norton was sacrificed on the pyre because the CCI folks were frustrated. Carrite (talk) 01:49, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

::: In ongoing discussion in the "News from Arbcom" thread at Wikipediocracy, it has also come up that I missed one essential reform in the above list: (6) A normal and regular process to terminate a case "early" if the magnitude of problematic edits found does not make the time and effort into finding them worthwhile on a simple cost–benefit basis. I also note with gallows hilarity that your grim diagnosis of "over a decade" for cases of long-term editors is on-target, as the now-anonymized Richard Norton case remains open with little indication it will ever be concluded after more than 14 years. Carrite (talk) 17:58, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the concrete suggestions! A lot of them aren't too far off from thoughts me and other CCI editors have had over the years. To respond;
::::1; The purpose of CCI is to clean articles of copyright issues as thoroughly as possible, which is going to require almost all "major" edits be looked at. A random sample could very much miss out on major issues in listed articles, or otherwise waste time... but, I do think it could have a useful application. What I've thought of doing is having an "assessment" section on each CCI, which is to be filled out during the preliminary stages of an investigation. The assessment can focus on identifying an editor's "M.O." a random selection of edits made over the years by the CCI's subject; these edits would then be evaluated and notes on the editing style would be taken, e.g. their citation style and the sources they copied from, how they copied from sources (close paraphrasing vs unedited pastes), what their non problematic edits look like, etc. From there, a concrete strategy can be taken in how to assess the CCI; certain time periods/articles can be focused on and stuff we know is unlikely to be problematic can be removed. Edits at CCIs are listed from largest to smallest; the assessment could determine if going by years or another format is better. And of course the assessment format could be used on older cases, and we can see if/what can be done for them...
::::There might also be a way to update the "autoculling ↗" process to accommodate this; when a CCI is first opened, a script is run to remove obviously unproblematic stuff (templates, technical stuff, refs or whatever). For example, a frequent issue is editors pasting in copyrighted plot summaries, but otherwise not really having other problematic edits. We could have an autocull the other edits and then focus on the remaining plot summary ones. Ideally, this would speed up the CCI process to a few months to two or three years at the very largest. It would still take some time, but it'd be massively more efficient and less taxing on everyone involved.
::::2; Unfortunately, old edits tend to stick around for a while before being rewritten; on larger, more popular articles/topics, they usually go away quicker, but on more niche stuff-- and this is Wikipedia, so there is a lot of niche stuff-- edits tend to stay completely untouched, indefinitely... and it can still be a problem, as we've had copyright holders complain about stuff added decades ago, which happened at the Hauganm ↗ a few years ago. Otherwise, we typically discard/ignore edits that aren't in articles anymore, though; the Who Wrote That? ↗ extension is super useful for that.
::::3; The current standard is more around four to six examples before a case is opened; it scales higher for people with larger editing histories. But it's also that people with very high edit counts don't always have many ''content'' edits, instead just making semi-automated gnoming/technical edits and the like, which are never listed at CCI. I've seen cases where someone with a few thousand edits has much more content to look over than someone with over 100K; so there's not a one-shoe-fits-all approach to opening a case.
::::4; Editors aren't really made to do this anymore; their assistance is helpful, of course, but making it a binding thing doesn't necessarily make good results for anyone. I've criticized the practice at User:Moneytrees/Copyright blocks. If someone's advocating that, I don't think it's such a good idea, sorry.
::::5; This is something I've always wanted that's been worked on over the last few years, although getting the WMF to help out with volunteers isn't always straightforward. For the last decade, we've mostly used Copypatrol ↗ to look at new edits; the Turnitin extension on there is super useful. It can read sources better than Earwig can, and can access paywalled texts and some non-internet books-- actually, Earwig ''does'' have access to Turnitin, but it's never worked for me. Apparently the account used to generate the Turnitin reports for Earwig don't work anymore, although that's being worked on last I knew? If we could batch run Earwig with Turnitin, that would definitely go far in making CCI more efficient. Ditto if that could be made into a semi-automated process. That combined with the autoculling process could probably work wonders for CCI.
::::6; We've closed cases as no longer needed without "finishing" them before, although a practice for doing so isn't codified. I think that would make sense to do; maybe it can be worked into the assessment I noted above, where a case can be closed or significantly narrowed in scope if need be.
::::Sorry for the wall of text, but I think these were some valuable critiques and I've had a lot of these ideas for a while, and this was a good opportunity to get them out there-- so thanks! Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:23, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!



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I just wanted to say thanks for the response you left in my talk page and at the teahouse. It was reassuring and helpful. Also, it was nice to see that you left some red links for my article, so I didn't need to go add them to the relevant pages. I was a little surprised to see everything linked already.
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Many Thanks, - Trey Wainman (talk) 22:45, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
: {{u|Trey Wainman}} - There's a real learning curve at WP and it can sometimes seem like a battle royale or a mosh pit, where you end up taking hits and needing to keep an eye over your shoulder simultaneously. Fortunately this atmosphere calms down over time as a person establishes themselves, learns the rules of the jungle a little bit, and gains a reputation as a serious-minded contributor. One thing for sure though is that the Articles for Creation process is broken and one of the biggest things that needs to be imparted on serious-minded new people who are getting bashed from all sides is that ''it is completely optional and is actually something to be avoided.'' Just act like an experienced editor, work around it rather than through it, and add good content without adding bad content, and things will work out in the end. Just make everything is documented with a published source of presumed accuracy and everything will turn out swell. Keep me on speed-dial in case you have more problems and happy editing! —tim ////// Carrite (talk) 00:38, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

: P.S. Nothing is lost forever at WP. Even if you wind up having something deleted, it is still saved and recoverable through administrators. So just keep calm if anything gets deleted away and see if the issues involved can be worked out. t

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Happy First Edit Anniversary Carrite 🎉



Hey @Carrite. Your wiki edit anniversary is today, marking 17 years of dedicated contributions to English Wikipedia. Your passion for sharing knowledge and your remarkable contributions have not only enriched the project, but also inspired countless others to contribute. Thank you for your amazing contributions. Wishing you many more wonderful years ahead in the Wiki journey and a happy 2026 ahead. :) -<span style="color:#990000">❙❚❚</span><span style="color:#339966">❙❙</span><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000"> GnOeee </span><span style="color:#006699">❚❙❚</span><span style="color:#339966">❙❙</span> ✉ 17:05, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

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25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello, I'm ~2026-14944-70. I noticed that you recently removed all content from a page. Please do not do this. ↗ Blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they have a tendency to confuse readers. As a rule, if you discover a duplicate article, please redirect ↗ it to an appropriate existing page. If a page has been vandalised ↗, please revert ↗ it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please edit ↗ the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy ↗ for how to proceed. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you wish to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.<!-- Template:uw-blank1 --> &#126;2026-14944-70 ↗ (talk) 02:19, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

:How about registering an account before making a botlike criticism of a very rational blanking of a technically improper redirect page? Carrite (talk) 02:32, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::If you wish a redirect deleted, list it at WP:RFD ↗. If for some reason you require assistance with that procedure, leave a message on my talk page including the nomination statement and I will make the listing for you.
::The canned message you see above has wording decided on by community consensus; if you believe it needs improvement, feel free to make a suggestion on the talk page there. Most people do seem to find it useful though. What registration of an account has to do with anything is entirely unclear, but for the purposes of all relevant procedures involved in this circumstance it is both technically and per policy neither here nor there.
::If there are any further points of confusion I will try to address them as I have the time, though you may consider inquiring at the WP:HELPDESK ↗ instead in the interest of receiving more prompt replies, thank you. &#126;2026-14944-70 ↗ (talk) 02:43, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::: So, cloaked IP editor — are you using an LLM or do you find templating people enjoyable? Carrite (talk) 17:35, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Your verbiage is rather opaque.
::::I am in no way cloaked, nor is the string of numbers you see generated in my signature an IP address, please see WP:Temporary accounts ↗.
::::It's unclear whether you are asking two questions or one, or what if any other additional information you are seeking precisely. Questions regarding the subjective emotive response that someone has while making particular edits are to be frank quite bizarre, though I think you will find that most people do not experience any emotion whatsoever for routine edits.
::::Regardless, the canned message you see above was not generated by use of an LLM, but instead was crafted through the normal editing process by human editors and can be added to a page by substing Template:Blank ↗ onto it. The earliest version was written in 2017 predating widespread availability of LLMs. &#126;2026-14944-70 ↗ (talk) 18:07, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::>> ''"Questions regarding the subjective emotive response that someone has while making particular edits are to be frank quite bizarre.... Regardless, the canned message you see above was not generated by use of an LLM, but instead was crafted through the normal editing process by human editors..."'' — Oh, the "normal editing process by human editors." That's reassuring!!! Carrite (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::That is a non sequitur, and your previous was marginally coherent. I will not engage with incoherence indefinitely. If you struggle to articulate yourself in English, I suggest editing on one of the many other language editions of Wikipedia, a detailed list may be found at WP:LISTWIKI#Edition details ↗, thank you. &#126;2026-14944-70 ↗ (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Thank you for trolling, have a nice day! Carrite (talk) 22:47, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Accusing your fellow volunteers of trolling without evidence is a form of prohibited personal attack, see WP:NPA ↗. Nor will I tolerate WP:ASPERSIONS ↗ indefinitely. I again suggest you direct your questions to the WP:HELPDESK ↗. &#126;2026-14944-70 ↗ (talk) 22:51, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::: I appreciate your input! It is very helpful. Thanks again!!! Carrite (talk) 23:35, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::On the assumption your message is intended to be literal then I will reiterate that it is not much of an issue so no thanks is needed. Even the blankings are not that big of an issue, one or two extra reversions a month is but a drop in the ocean of maintenance. Nonetheless efficiency would be improved if you refrained from blanking redirects going forward.
::::::::::Most likely this and similar redirects will be deleted following an RFD listing, but even should they be retained, you may always pipe any links on the pages in question with appropriate DABifier to encourage article creation by readers. Other options such as simple removal or bold DABification may also situationally present themselves. Additional information regarding best practices when making those decisions is available at WP:Disambiguation ↗, WP:Red link ↗, and WP:RFD#DELETE ↗. &#126;2026-14944-70 ↗ (talk) 01:24, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::: But I really do wish to thank you for your useful, fruitful, and productive volunteer efforts in encyclopedia-building. Thank you so much for all you do!!! Carrite (talk) 04:38, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::All good then. &#126;2026-14944-70 ↗ (talk) 21:40, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::: Yes, it is! Thank you again for your amazing service to Wikipedia! It's inspiring, really!!! Carrite (talk) 05:57, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

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:@{{u|Larry Sanger}} - Your list of activity on project pages is quite useful. I think we can agree that the so-called Reliable Sources Noticeboard (and the entire notion of so-called "reliable" sources) is problematic. Best regards, —tim //// Carrite (talk) 03:42, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

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National Progressives of America -NPA- Progressives and the Famer-labor Movement



Hi @Carrite I don't know if you remember me but I'm the person that created the National Progressives of America ↗ Wikipedia Article. Well I've been doing tons of research and gathering a heck ton of sources - most of which are not currently in use within the Wikipedia article- I wanted to ask if you could do a couple things for me.

-images- Because I feel uncomfortable with uploading images myself. I was wondering if you could upload these two images you clipped a while ago on Newspaper.com ↗, as they will be helpful for edits I want to do on several Wikipedia articles. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-escanaba-daily-press-national-progre/171098874/ ↗ https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-capital-times-7500-cheer-as-phil-la/171051694/ ↗

-Re-review Articles- I have made some notable updates to National Progressives of America ↗ and Wisconsin Progressive Party ↗ articles and I would like it if you re-reviewed them, I'm mainly interested in them being reorganized into appropriate WikiProjects ↗. I've also created a new page called Farmer-Labor Progressive Federation ↗. Others have also made edits that I was wondering if you could fact check.

-Sources- Currently I have a fair amount of un-organized sources that I've read. Once I organize them by date I was wondering if I could share them with you. For example: -NPA Expansion California Progressive Party ↗ and the Iowa Farmer-Labor Party ↗. It seems to me that these political parties actually self integrated into the NPA, though I'm still uncertain of the relationship between these party's. This claim can be supported by the book: Philip F. La Follette, the Wisconsin Progressives, and the New Deal ↗ and by some easy to access sources for examples: https://newspaperhub.mnhs.org/?a=d&d=sppp19380502.1.4&srpos=3&e=-------en-20--1--img-txIN-National+Progressives+of+America----1938------- ↗ https://newspaperhub.mnhs.org/?a=d&d=sppp19380815.1.3&srpos=16&e=-------en-20--1--img-txIN-La+Follette----1938------- ↗ https://newspaperhub.mnhs.org/?a=d&d=sppp19380502.1.4&srpos=3&e=-------en-20--1--img-txIN-National+Progressives+of+America----1938------- ↗.- This is only a small sliver of sources I've located in regards to the National Progressives of America and the Wisconsin Progressive Party. There is also a decent amount in regards to the Famer-labor movement ↗. I will only share the sources if you are interested though. Thank you.
Zyxrq (talk) 14:28, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

: Hi {{u|Zyxrq}}! I will do my best to get to this today or tomorrow. I'm diving into a voting guide for the administrative election just now (time sensitive) and need to keep focused on that at the moment. best, —tim //// Carrite (talk) 17:34, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
::@Carrite Thank you, however before we do anything could you upload the images - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-escanaba-daily-press-national-progre/171098874/ ↗ https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-capital-times-7500-cheer-as-phil-la/171051694/ ↗ Zyxrq (talk) 04:09, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

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AELECT questions



Hello {{u|Carrite}}, I noticed that you asked identical questions of all the candidates at AELECT. Thank you for participating in the AELECT process, and contributing to the community's assessment of these candidates. However, when candidates are faced with large numbers of non-tailored questions, it presents an unfair asymmetry of effort. Candidates aren't required to answer all of these questions, but they do tend to feel obligated to, which is a poor use of their time and readers' time when the questions are not individually relevant. For example, you asked Bonadea about other account names when their user page already disclosed their Bonadeaphone account. In future elections, I'd like to suggest that you pose questions case-by-case -- perhaps explaining why the question is relevant to that particular candidate, and checking to be sure they have not already addressed the topic. Thanks again. <span style="color: #6703fc">~ le <small> 🌸</small> valyn</span> (talk) 20:24, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

:TPS here. I find Carrite's question format quite informative for the reasons he outlines in his reply. Admins can and should expect to field a wide variety of questions from people who don't look for information elsewhere for any number of reasons (laziness, unfamiliarity with Wikipedia's wide range of frankly obscure policies and essays-disguised-as-policy, and so on), and these questions are a pretty tame simulation of that. Intothatdarkness ↗ 11:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

: {{u|LEvalyn}} — The questions were identical on purpose, as they were to be utilized in a candidate guide I have up now at Wikipediocracy. I'm quite happy with the questions asked and the results generated, which produced exactly the sort of background information I was looking to produce. People are not obligated to answer any question, as you noted, and that's fine. It's actually good for candidates to undergo a "Hell Week" during the election process, in my opinion, because there are workload demands and stresses upon everyone wielding the toolbox and it is good to see the individuals' level of commitment and capability in real time. I appreciate your concerns and thank you for sharing them, but I'll probably do the same thing next time as it is frankly a mechanism for generating exactly the information I seek. best, —tim

That redirect



is still up for discussion ↗ after 2 relistings. Best would of course be to expand it into an article on the mayor (or a DAB page if there's more than the one Neil Monroe mentioned somewhere on-wiki). I don't have newspapers.com or any familiarity with socialist political history in the US, so I dunno, but a red link does suggest notability. Yngvadottir (talk) 23:32, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

: He's thoroughly obscure, but there are zero other people on WP with that name and the redirect is for a ''misspelling'' of the name. The mayor is in a table that requires name links, red or blue, so the incorrect blue link remains due to pedantry. Carrite (talk) 17:05, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

::Damn, I was hoping you could write him up a stub with a couple of references. I'm surprised you haven't joined the discussion, but I think I've presented the argument adequately. Yngvadottir (talk) 06:56, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

It's red again. {{noping|Katzrockso}} knew how to put the point in policy terms. Another knot on my deletion string, I guess. Yngvadottir (talk) 08:19, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion ↗ nomination of :File:22-zinoviev-plate.jpg ↗


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A tag has been placed on :File:22-zinoviev-plate.jpg ↗ requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F3 of the criteria for speedy deletion ↗, because it is a file licensed as "for non-commercial use only", "no derivative use", "for Wikipedia use only", or "used with permission"; and it has not been shown to comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content ↗. If you agree with the deletion, there is no need to do anything. If, however, you believe that this image may be retained on Wikipedia under one of the permitted conditions ↗ then:

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:: '''''Complete idiocy.''''' We're creating an inferior free encyclopedia to make it easier for exploiters to use our work for profit. I've said all I need to be said about this idea and its adherents and enforcers in other places and I hope your ears are burning! Carrite (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::You may disagree with the licensing policy but that does not exempt you from complying with it. -- Whpq (talk) 19:21, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for sharing and for your outstanding contributions to Wikipedia! Carrite (talk) 19:28, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

June 2026 meetup in Portland (Online participation available!)



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St. Louis Cardinals '75 to '78 NFL media guide



I saw that you uploaded the 1962 cardinals media guide ↗ here with public domain. I was looking for the 1975 to 1978 Cardinals media guide which would have some info on Tom Banks ↗, Cardinals former player who played during this time. If you have them uploaded on wiki, kindly ping me. Thanks. Sddarealone (talk) 19:12, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{u|Sddarealone}} — I've got a decent little accumulation of media guides but recently "back-shelved" them to make room for Russian history books, let me see if I can dig them out....... Yeah, I found 1975–78, all four of them. None of them have copyrights, but I think the last 2 are automatically under copyright according to the law... I forget what the cut-off date was, I want to say 1978. I think you can use the photos from the first three if you need something. Do you have an email address for me to send you scans of the Banks page? My email is MutantPop@aol.com, drop me a line if you'd like me to do that. —tim //// Carrite (talk) 00:15, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
::Just now, I sent you a mail via my Gmail ID. Check it out. Also thanks for the speedy response. Sddarealone (talk) 06:39, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
::: I sent you the two applicable pages a few minutes ago, let me know if you did not get them. Happy editing! —tim //// Carrite (talk) 17:08, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I got them. Thank you so much. One follow up question that I wanted to ask, can the image be cropped so that it can be put into the infobox? I'll use the same license that you told to use in case. Sddarealone (talk) 17:18, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok I understood. I misread in between the lines. You'll make a fine collector someday. Thanks @Carrite Sddarealone (talk) 19:11, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::@{{u|Sddarealone}} - Yes, the images can be cropped; the license is correct either way. Carrite (talk) 13:42, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

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Thanks, and a question



Mainly, I wanted to say how spot on your recent commenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALarry_Sanger&diff=1361255121&oldid=1361232115 ↗ on the Larry The Troll Three Ring Circus was. Thanks!

Question: As someone who really is apolitical (I have a low opinion of every US and UK political party. They are bad in different ways and people on one side only seem to see the bad on the other side), I would like to see '''actual''' "intellectual diversity". See Ideological bias on Wikipedia ↗. Is there ''any'' place on Wikipedia for a serious discussion about that without looking like another Larry? --Guy Macon (talk) 21:06, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

: {{u|Guy Macon}} - I'm not aware of it. WP is pretty notorious for not having any relatively uncensored places for meta discussion about Wikipedia so I might point you towards the Wikipedia Weekly facebook group or starting a thread on Wikipediocracy. There are a lot of people on WP who treat every line like a partisan war, and as far as I'm concerned, if a person acts that way it doesn't matter if they walk with the angels or walk with the devils, they're in the wrong place. I personally believe that "reality has a left wing bias," as does science and academic sourcing; so trying to impose a false "both-sidesism" is neither the answer nor desirable. But there's a huge difference between letting the sources speak and the chips fall where they may and outright political warfare over content. Palestine/Israel is the classic example of the latter, and I'm pleased that there have been steps taken to clean up that mess. Anyway, ciao. —tim //// Carrite (talk) 22:47, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

::https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1745691617746796 --Guy Macon (talk) 05:51, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

Guy Macon on Wikipedia's biases




Might I be so bold as to suggest that this section, instead of only documenting my one use at Jimbotalk, instead reflect the latest version that is at WP:YWAB ↗ and WP:GOODBIAS ↗? Keeping the reference to the Jimbotalk use as well is fine, of course.

Reasons to prefer the latest version:
You can use <code><nowiki>{{subst:WP:YWAB}}</nowiki></code> to insert the latest version with better formatting than what you have now, and then edit it to your liking. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:50, 28 June 2026 (UTC)

July 2026



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