User Talk: Chrisahn
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: Thanks! I finally did it. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 06:51, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | This is for helping me out with the harrassment the IP editor was giving me over at the RTO article. I can't describe how much I appreciate it. Plasticwonder (talk) 19:05, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
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About an reverted edit
Hi i saw you reverted my edit at article Tv Klan ↗, unwikilinkes E Diela Shqiptare ↗, my edit was correct becouse E Diela Shqiptare is Sunday marathon program broadcasting currently at TV Klan ↗ and references shows that. Thank you <span style="padding:5px; font-family:Century Gothic; background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e00000,#000000); border-radius:6px;"> <span style="color:white;">'''Lanceloth345'''</span></span> (talk) 08:29, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:You are right, my revert was a mistake. I just reverted it. I think I wanted to revert an edit by 2601:402:8200::0/47 ↗ but clicked the wrong button. Sorry! — Chrisahn (talk) 08:33, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::It's ok don't worry, i just wanted to be correct. <span style="padding:5px; font-family:Century Gothic; background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e00000,#000000); border-radius:6px;"> <span style="color:white;">'''Lanceloth345'''</span></span> (talk) 08:34, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
Fishy smell coming from the Baltic sea
I know of the type of schemes your community is involved in, but i'm still gathering more information and proof of what you are doing. I just want to let you know that it ain't right, Wikipedia is not a tool, it's an encyclopedia, and I'm willing to fight with everything that is allowed to protect it.
And please, don't threat me with a ban, the truth is on my side and you know it. Gigman (talk) 08:56, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
Scam propagation
Sorry, it really wasn't a good idea to revert a scam-ish edit but then propagate it in your edit summary. This is about https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tokorpria162662&curid=81423576&diff=1318665390&oldid=1318639008 ↗. I'm going to contact the person who suppressed the revisions from the history to suppress your edit summary as well. Largoplazo (talk) 15:10, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
:Yes, it's best to avoid including potential personal information in edit summaries. While it's probably just a spam number, people have posted personal numbers before. Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 15:27, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
::I think I simply copied the whole translated message and didn't think much about it. I should have deleted the number. Thanks! — Chrisahn (talk) 16:11, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
:Told you things are shady here... Gigman (talk) 15:31, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm actually getting paid by the Mossad and the KGB to edit Wikipedia. In my spare time, I spread NATO propaganda and crypto scams. — Chrisahn (talk) 16:13, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
:::If you were indeed paid by the KGB, your position on baltic infoboxes would've been different. Gigman (talk) 21:34, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
::::I do not yet have a position on Baltic infoboxes. I'm awaiting instructions by my handlers. — Chrisahn (talk) 22:42, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::You have and you have explained it in the discussion on a notice board.... Gigman (talk) 04:53, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I really don't have a position on Baltic infoboxes. In particular, I don't have a position on whether birth places should specify Estonia ↗ or Estonian SSR ↗ or something else. You apparently misunderstood my messages at WP:ANI. Read them again. (In case you also misunderstood my previous comment: When I wrote "I do not yet have a position on Baltic infoboxes", I actually meant it. The sentence "I'm awaiting instructions by my handlers" was a joke.) — Chrisahn (talk) 08:40, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
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Bob Vylan
Great addition with the explanation of the name. I thought that was mentioned already in some fashion. Also, there is a widget called proveit that makes it much easier to format. I dont know if that works with visual editor or mobile, but I use it extensively in source edits. ←Metallurgist (talk) 18:59, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks! The visual editor has a feature that takes URLs and creates {{tl|Cite web}} instances with parameters. Works reasonably well, but I'll also take a look at Wikipedia:ProveIt ↗. Thanks for the hint! — Chrisahn (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I had a little quiproquo with another Wikipedian and you really helped to resolve the conflict in a peaceful and cordial manner. Thank you so much for dedicating your time to this, as well as for your suggestion of name changing – I didn't realize Grigori Rasputin could be mistaken for Vladimir Putin. Thank you for being a peacemaker and making this encyclopedia a better place.<br>Grigorirasputinlover (talk)
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: Thanks a lot! I'm glad I could help a bit. But you helped even more by keeping a cool head from the start, and @Nathannah also responded in a civil and reasonable manner. Other users (including myself, depending on mood) might have approached this misunderstanding in a more aggressive way. :-) All's well that ends well. — Chrisahn (talk) 19:22, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
: Regarding the name: I wouldn't usually confuse Rasputin and Putin, but the character sequence "putinlover" threw me off. I've seen it too many times on (increasingly inaccurately named) "social" media, I guess. — Chrisahn (talk) 19:27, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
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:Please explain your reasoning at Talk:Gaza genocide#Edit-warring over a technicality ↗. — Chrisahn (talk) 13:31, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
:Also see User talk:Achmad Rachmani#Please stop changing Cite templates to module Cite. — Chrisahn (talk) 14:33, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
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Thanks for the report. The range is blocked now. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 01:39, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
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Moving
It seems I've misremembered WP:TALKOFFTOPIC ↗. I just quickly wanted to note that I had originally moved the discussion when I started writing the message, but while I was writing it, more people commented on my proposed block instead of the changes to the {{Tl|merge}} templates. My intention was to keep the useful conversation where it belonged, but I agree that by the end the discussion was much more appropriate in my talk. Sorry for the trouble! FaviFake (talk) 18:24, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
Baltic birthplaces
Chrisahn. Please don't start edit-warring across multiple bios, just because you're challenging an RFC close. ''IF'' your attempts to overturn is successful? than those changes can be reverted. Otherwise, the changes by the other editor, is correct. GoodDay (talk) 17:37, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:Several editors have expresses their concerns with the RFC close. See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Baltic states-related articles#Consensus still needed? ↗. Until there is actual consensus, mass changes are not justified. There is no hurry to implement any change. See e.g. Wikipedia:There is no deadline ↗. — Chrisahn (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
::I don't want to see you ending up blocked. Please, follow Rosguill's advice about challenging RFC closures. GoodDay (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:::I did. See User talk:Beland#RFC closed by you. — Chrisahn (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
::::You are edit warring at this very moment, destroying even non related changes i've made to pages Gigman (talk) 18:26, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:I want to see him ending up blocked. Gigman (talk) 19:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
::I know. But again: You obviously don't know how Wikipedia works. — Chrisahn (talk) 19:02, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:::I know that you know how it works, just to exploit it in all the right ways Gigman (talk) 19:35, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
I won't have much time for Wikipedia in the next couple of hours. To whom it may concern: The aggressive approach by Glebushko0703/Gigman should be stopped. — Chrisahn (talk) 18:35, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:You are by far the most aggressive approach one here... Gigman (talk) 18:49, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
{{u|Chrisahn}}: Would you be able to challenge the RFC on WP:AN ↗ (as advised by the admins)? I'm swamped these days, but I also find the claim of consensus unjustified. Thanks. --Mindaur (talk) 22:46, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:I don't have much time either for Wikipedia for a few days, but I hope I'll get to it today. — Chrisahn (talk) 12:46, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, run into this issue reported on Reddit and the press. I was trying to follow the traces and came up to this message. Did you have time to move it forward? Do you know the current status? I can see this opened a few days ago Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#RFC: Consistent naming of countries of birth ↗ shut down again by the same actors and also via WP:AN ↗ here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Follow up RFC or reverse RFC ↗. I am willing to help but don't have a lot of experience with these processes. Do you have any advice on how to move forward? Thanks. Wilk10 (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2026 (UTC)
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: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Vandalism by Chrisahn ↗ — Chrisahn (talk) 19:06, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
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:Thanks. Strange behaviour by that editor. — Chrisahn (talk) 12:42, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
::"Strange behaviour" is telling everyone that you're going to post an appeal tomorrow, and changing your mind when it comes... Gigman (talk) 13:10, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
:::I didn't change my mind. WP:ASPERSIONS ↗. — Chrisahn (talk) 13:11, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
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Soap
Please do not wp:soapbox ↗. If you comment on content, comment only on that and do not use it as a soapbox to attack other editor's (perceived) bias. Slatersteven (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:I did comment on content. In Talk:Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War/Archive 1#Requested move 26 April 2025 ↗, some users mentioned the discussion about the naming of Gaza genocide ↗ and argued that we should follow that example, or that it's proof of bias if we don't follow that example. I addressed these arguments. More generally: Unfortunately, the Gaza genocide decision was flawed, and the English Wikipedia currently does have a bias in this regard. We should address and fix that bias. Pointing out where Wikipedia makes mistakes is not soapboxing. — Chrisahn (talk) 18:19, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
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Tomer capone
Hello Christian,I saw you edited my page and you took notice to my requests in a very decent way-thank you for this .
at the moment my page is blocked to edit . I am currently under a false editorial manipulation online made to hurt my reputation and career in a very deliberate way-using an edited false quoted article which source material does not exist online.
the false “proofs” are troll based under non-existing links and screenshots,translated and twisted in a false manor to create a narrative that is simply not true.
more than damage my reputation -these false claims are generating, violent, hateful, antisemitic, racist responses towards me and around .
I kindly ask you to help me with this matter
thank you
here is the false part :
Capone discussed his military service in a 2016 interview with Ynet. He said he participated in arrests, checkpoint enforcement, and security operations, including during the Gaza disengagement and in Nablus. Toward the end of his service, accumulated exposure to violence culminated in a mental breakdown. In 2026, the interview resurfaced online during the release of The Boys season 5. Aspects of Capone's IDF service, such as the arrest of an 18-year-old Palestinian woman, were criticised. ~2026-25425-26 ↗ (talk) 17:44, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
:I replied in section Talk:Tomer Capone#Urgent edit request – removal of unsourced and harmful content (BLP) ↗. — Chrisahn (talk) 19:51, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
Tomer Capone
I’ve opened an account has you suggested Tomer capone (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
:Great! I posted another message at User talk:Tomer capone#If you are Tomer Capone about how you can verify your identity. Let me know if you have any other questions. — Chrisahn (talk) 18:04, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
Don't engage in vandalism. The talk page is what the talk page is for. If you want a personal forum, wikipedia is not it
Please read this before you make any more disruptive edits:
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--~2026-28407-23 ↗ (talk) 16:21, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:For the archive: The TA is talking about Special:Diff/1353645669 ↗. Silly. — Chrisahn (talk) 16:23, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
::Let the record also note that you have two pages of talk comments about disruptive edits, contentious wiki pages, blocking, and harassment. ~2026-28407-23 ↗ (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:::@~2026-28407-23 And you have an extensive block log '''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''' (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
About programming languages and libraries
Hi Chrisahn. I just saw your comment ↗ about Module:Params ↗, and since this question seems to come up repeatedly, I thought it might be useful to explain how I think about the module.
You often describe it as a “programming language”, but that characterization may actually make it harder to understand what it is doing. Module:Params ↗ is a wikitext-oriented module focused on one single task: manipulating collections of strings. Its routines are loosely inspired by JavaScript <code>Array</code>'s instance methods ↗, and its syntax is inspired by jQuery's method chains.
In that sense, this
<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript">$("#myElement")
.css("background-color", "blue")
.addClass("active")
.hide()
.etc...</syntaxhighlight>
might loosely remind of this:
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">{{#invoke:params|
excluding_non-numeric_names|
mapping_by_replacing|[^abdlp]+||
mapping_by_replacing|a|⏒ ||plain|
etc...
}}</syntaxhighlight>
The important point is that neither example is introducing a new programming language. In both cases, you start with an object and apply a sequence of transformations to it.
The main difference is that jQuery methods typically return a jQuery object that can be further manipulated, whereas in Module:Params ↗ the “object” is a collection of parameters that can be further manipulated. Conceptually the pattern is very similar: each step transforms the result of the previous one.
For that reason, it may be more useful to think of Module:Params ↗ as a collection-processing library. Its purpose is to apply declarative transformations to collections of key-value pairs. Once viewed from that perspective, many of its design choices become easier to understand.
If some aspects of the module still seem language-like to you, I would be genuinely interested in knowing which ones. I would be happy to discuss it further or answer any specific questions you may have. --Grufo (talk) 06:06, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
:The main difference is that a language introduces new syntax, and Module:Params does that, e.g. with <code>$#</code>, <code>$@</code>, <code>let</code>, etc. Also, how does the substack stuff in Module:Params work? I suspect that these substacks are basically unnamed variables and the Module:Params processing is stateful, but I may be mistaken.
:Anyway, it doesn't really matter whether Module:Params is a language or just a library. Either way, it's too complex and not a good fit for Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2026 June 16#Module:Params ↗ for more details. — Chrisahn (talk) 19:21, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
::I just saw that you said this ↗ on your user talk page: "using Module:Params ↗ is not very different from actual programming". Sounds almost like it's a programming language. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 15:30, 2 July 2026 (UTC)