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help

Can you help me merge {{tl|8TeamBracket-AFC}} and {{tl|8TeamBracket-AFC-2Leg}} into Module:Team bracket ↗? Thanks,Hhkohh (talk) 16:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
: Hhkohh, so you need {{para|RD1-2}} for a round label in the middle? possible, but will take some time to implement (on top of the current group label). Frietjes (talk) 17:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
::yeah Hhkohh (talk) 22:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Module:Historical populations

Hi Frietjes, some years ago you added graphs to the {{tl|Historical populations}} template, now a module. Since the Graph extension has been retired, that should be replaced with the Chart extension. Do you know how to do that, and would you have time to? Many thanks in advance! Markussep Talk 10:33, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
: Markussep, it looks like this is going to be challenging. as far as I can tell, to use the chart extensions you need to have a separate data page (for example, see Gmina Nadarzyn ↗). you can't just feed the data into the extension and render the chart the way that the graph extension works. unless I am missing some hidden feature, we have a couple choices. (1) use say Module:Chart ↗ or another bar-chart module which doesn't use the chart extension, but I don't know if that has rendering problems, (2) create commons population data pages for rendering these graphs, and hopefully there is an easy way to parse that data in Module:Historical populations ↗ for the text version as well. I would say that option 1 is going to be the simple option, but option 2 seems to be more in the spirit of where the project is going, since the data can be shared between different language WP projects. please feel free to ask around to see if there are any other options, but this is my current perception of what is going on. Frietjes (talk) 15:37, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::Hi Frietjes, I don't think anyone is going to create data pages for all instances where the Historical populations template is used. Maybe Module:Chart would work, I hope it can be made to look nicer than in the examples. I do not know of any other option... Markussep Talk 15:59, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Markussep, coming back to this thread, it is possible to create on demand bar plots, see User:Frietjes/timeline for example. it looks like {{tag|timeline}} does support <code>LineData</code> but I haven't figured out if it's easy to change to bars to lines (requires pixel coordinates instead of year/pop coordinates). maybe there are other options? Frietjes (talk) 21:47, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi Frietjes, I think a bar chart would be good enough, it's a lot better than what we have now (nothing). I saw the LineData option, nice, but that probably requires a lot of calculation / difficult programming. Do you think you could make something similar to what they did at French Wikipedia (:fr:Modèle:Histogramme population manuel ↗, see e.g. :fr:Ury ↗)? Markussep Talk 07:32, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
::::: Markussep, I made some changes (see what the chart looks like at User:Frietjes/timeline). I tried to automatically compute the year label spacing and the ScaleMajor and ScaleMinor lines, but there may be some improvement there. Frietjes (talk) 14:52, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::That's already pretty nice! I like the narrow bars. Could you make the bars the same colour as the standard {{tl|Historical populations}} header? And maybe the chart a bit narrower, say 600px. Markussep Talk 15:00, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Markussep, I started integrating it into "historical populations". you can see what I have so far in the testcases ↗. Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I’m happy with this, thanks a lot! Does it work the same as it did with the old Graph extension, with the graph_pos parameter? Markussep Talk 19:55, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::: Markussep, yes, if we enable this in the live version, any pages using the old graph-pos parameter will start showing the graphs again. Frietjes (talk) 19:57, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::: Markussep, it's now live. let me know if you see any problems! Frietjes (talk) 20:07, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Hi Frietjes, I've checked a few articles using the graph, and there are some small things I hope you can improve. At Évry-Courcouronnes ↗, I specified "graph-pos = right", but the graph shows up under the infobox instead of next to the table. At Nice ↗, I think the bars would be nicer (no pun intended) if they were narrower. Markussep Talk 14:49, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::: Markussep, I removed the "clear" for the floating image, but it is also possible to have the graph more "attached" to the side of the table (not sure which is better). I also changed the logic for the bar width to be based on the total number of years, so that should give a more uniform spacing for each year. if there are more years, then the bars will be more narrow. hopefully this is the desired result. if not, we can come up with something else. Frietjes (talk) 14:32, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yes, that's better, thanks! I think it would be nice to have the graph attached to the right of the table in case it's a one column table. Does that mean it gets the same height as well? Markussep Talk 14:54, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::: Markussep, okay, I have attached the graph to the side of the table. it would be hard to try to make them the same height since one use text dimensions and the other uses pixel dimensions. one can override the default graph height. Frietjes (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thanks again! I think it’s better like this than with equal heights, that would stretch the graph too much. Markussep Talk 05:29, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::A proposal to make the graphs even nicer: would it be possible to tweak the y-axis a bit, for instance now if the maximum population is 1100, the top of the axis is 2000, could you make that 1500 (see e.g. Passa, Pyrénées-Orientales ↗)? Markussep Talk 12:19, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::: Markussep, sure, I set it to be based on the smallest bounding minor tick mark, instead of smallest bounding major tick mark. Frietjes (talk) 14:32, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Perfect! Markussep Talk 15:16, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
{{od|:::::::::::::::::}} Markussep, I implemented loading data from commons. see Frisange#Population ↗ for example. let me know if you see any problems. Frietjes (talk) 18:21, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Script idea

So as you know I love your scripts... Had an idea for another that you might be able to do. It is a variant of User:Frietjes/indent.js. My thinking is to get a script that will do the same thing for Infobox templates. Unifying the indentation of the {{para|data#}} and {{para|label#}} values... Not sure if you have any interest, but I sure as hell would use it! '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 22:42, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
: {{re|Zackmann08}} what would it look like after indentation? Frietjes (talk) 16:10, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::So I guess this ↗ is the sort of thing I had in mind... Of course it gets much more complicated with the many other infobox parameters... but that is the basic idea that I had in mind. Anything that unifies the indentation to be more readable I'm in favor of. Right vs left justified, I could go either way... '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 02:12, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

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Dash

Please stop replacing the dash in the Twin towns section title. Has there been any discussion about this? FromCzech (talk) 17:33, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:"Twin towns" and "sister cities" are synonyms, not two different things. This section name format is used consistently in many states, so I see no reason for such a change. FromCzech (talk) 17:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:: FromCzech, just going by the current convention here: Special:PrefixIndex/List of twin towns and sister cities ↗. Frietjes (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::For the section names, "dash" ↗ is much more common than "and" ↗, so I would call that more of a convention. FromCzech (talk) 18:04, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::: FromCzech, thousands for both, but certainly simple dash is not the convention ↗. Frietjes (talk) 18:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I meant en dash, not hyphen. Em dash is also incorrectly used ↗ in several hundreds cases, which is the wrong format, but we must not forget to add them to the en dash. FromCzech (talk) 18:37, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Indent.js help?

Howdy! I keep running into this ↗ bizarre situation that is being triggered by running Indent.js and is causing a mess of CS1 errors. For a real-world example Special:Diff/1348209281/1355270785 ↗. Any idea how to fix this inside of Indent.js? '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 22:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
: User:Zackmann08, try this ↗. which was intended to change <syntaxhighlight lang=wikitext>{{Infobox foo
| name = Something
| occupation = Something else
| hometown= Somewhere
}}</syntaxhighlight> to <syntaxhighlight lang=wikitext>{{Infobox foo
| name = Something
| occupation = Something else
| hometown = Somewhere
}}</syntaxhighlight> but was not checking to see if there was a pipe before the equal sign. this fix may or may not work as intended. Frietjes (talk) 22:54, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::Well fixes the issue I was having, here's hoping it doesn't cause other things... Will report back if I find other issues. You're the best! '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 23:01, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Another weird one... For some reason Indent.js isn't working on this bit of code ↗. Would have expected this ↗ to happen. This is a simplified example of an error I have seen elsewhere. The regexes you have written are so far beyond my understanding that I'm not sure where the issue may be. If you have any thoughts? '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 02:10, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
:::: User:Zackmann08, yes, I have seen this before. It is suppose to try to follow the majority indentation convention, but the un-indent part doesn't always work. I will see if I can figure out why. Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
:::: User:Zackmann08, this probably fixes it ↗. Frietjes (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

LDS Module

At this TFD ↗ you proposed the idea of making an LDS Module similar to Module:Solar eclipse ↗. Is this a project you are interested in taking on in anyway? If so, is there any way that I can help? '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 23:06, 22 May 2026 (UTC)

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Bug? Maybe?

So I forked your amazing find dup args script so I can use it from within JWB... In so doing I ''think'' I found a bug in your code. If you look at User:Frietjes/findargdups.js#L-140 I think you have an infinite loop. Unless I am missing something, you are never incrementing the value of {{code|j}} so it will always below 50. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 23:15, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{u|Zackmann08}}, you are correct that either (a) there shouldn't be a check to see if "j < 50" or (b) we should be incrementing j inside the loop. I guess the best thing to do would be to (a) bump up the number to say 100 and (b) issue an alert if you ever hit the limit before breaking out of the loop so that one of us can look at that article to see why a single citation has over 100 = signs that need to be pre-processed. having a limit at all is really just a performance thing to make sure it's not spending a really long time in the pre-process stage. Frietjes (talk) 23:22, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::It took me a while to track down but I realize that the way your code is implemented is different than mine. If yours, the only action waiting on that to finish is the alert. For mine, the entire browser freezes waiting on that loop to finish. Can you help me understand the point of line 141 to begin with? Why the need to preprocess these? '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 23:25, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::: {{u|Zackmann08}}, it's been a long time since I wrote that line, but it looks like I am probably trying to guard against something like <syntaxhighlight>{{some template | <ref>dogs = yes </ref> | <ref>dogs = no</ref>}}</syntaxhighlight> which isn't a duplicate argument, but my script probably thought it was. to really know the exact situation that caused me to put this in, I would need to go back in the history for the script and find my edits around the time that I added that logic. Frietjes (talk) 23:34, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::: {{u|Zackmann08}}, I found the edit here ↗ where I said it was for wikitables inside of {{tag|ref}}. not sure why that was a problem. Frietjes (talk) 23:38, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::::You mean you don't remember your logic from... *checks edit history* ... '''eleven''' years ago?? {{wink}} Sounds like an edge case that I don't need to worry too much about! However, I would still fix the infinite loop. I think it might be related to an issue where the text doesn't always get highlighted... '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 23:40, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: {{u|Zackmann08}}, sure, breaking after 50 seems fine. although it's not infinite unless there are an infinite number of = on the page. Frietjes (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hm.... No idea why it was landing me in an infinite loop in my implementation... '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 01:34, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Lua Help

Hello again... Wanted to see if I could pick your brain on some Lua assistance. Module:Check for deprecated parameters ↗ is based off of ''your'' Module:Check for unknown parameters ↗. What Deprecated parameters is lacking right now is the ability to supply regular expressions. It is a bit more complicate than unknown parameters because it needs to supply both the find and the replace value. I.E. looking at the current code on {{tl|Infobox royal}} we need to replace all instances of {{para|reign-type(%d)}} with {{para|reign_type$1}}. I've kicked around trying to write this in my head, but you're far better at this stuff than I... Any interest in giving this a go? '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 16:13, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{u|Zackmann08}}, lots of debugging, but this change ↗ seems to work, tested here ↗. the syntax is to separate to pattern from the replacement with an '='. a couple things to remember about LUA expressions that I had forgotten: (1) use <code>%1</code> not <code>$1</code> for the replacement value, (2) use <code>%</code> to escape not <code>\</code>. feel free to move this to the live module if you think it's what you want. Frietjes (talk) 18:27, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
::As per usual, you rock. Will play around with it right now. Thanks for taking the time to give this a go! '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 18:33, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Yet another request...

I feel like I'm constantly bugging you but have another request. Trying to write a helper module for my JWB script and I need a Javascript regex. Basically trying to isolate '''just''' Infobox code. so everything from <code>{{Infobox foo...</code> to the closing <code>}}</code>. The tricky part that I cannot figure out is how to not have it crap out the first time it hits a set of <code>}}</code> because, of course, an Infobox can contain multiple template calls. So how can I look for the entirety of {{tlc|Infobox foo|....}} but not match anything outside of said Infobox. I feel like you've probably tackled this with your Indent.js. As always, your help is appreciated. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 06:09, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{u|Zackmann08}} with indent.js what I did was (1) unnest templates and comments by splitting apart the text into small chunks, (2) process each chunk, and (3) reassemble the page. the logic for that starts near line 161. first, on line 175 I push all comments into the <code>tlist</code> array, replacing the comments with <code>♦§1§♦</code>, <code>♦§2§♦</code>, ... where the number corresponds to the location comment string in the <code>tlist</code> array. second, I do the same for templates starting at line 192. once this is all done, I then pass each piece in <code>tlist</code> to the <code>wpIndent</code>. finally, I reassemble the article starting at line 213. I found this to be the most robust way to do it because of the complexity of things like comments and extremely nested templates. I suppose I should also be doing the same splitting for things like {{tag|pre}}, {{tag|nowiki}}, {{tag|syntaxhighlight}}, but I haven't seen the need yet for the indent script. at one point, someone mentioned that I might be able to access the raw parse tree used by the backend, which would eliminate the need for me to do the splitting, but I haven't looked into that. I don't know what other scripts do. Frietjes (talk) 14:58, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

thanks for the fix

did not noticed about Eliskuya2 (talk) 04:03, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Unknown params help

Trying to add unknown param tracking to Module:Piechart/sandbox#L-956 ↗ and having trouble... Hoping you can assist? You can see a demo here ↗ on my sandbox. It is rendering the tracking cat correctly, but the preview warning isn't working and I cannot for the life of me figure out why... '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 22:42, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
: not sure, but I will have a look later. Frietjes (talk) 15:05, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
::Much appreciated! '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 15:06, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
:::{{u|Zackmann08}} after fumbling around, I finally used Special:ExpandTemplates ↗ and noticed that all the tracking was being injected in the middle of the chart json. so, I looked closer at the template that wraps the module and noticed that it calls the module multiple times, and it will only work if you either (a) move it to the <code>p.pie</code> function or (b) move out outside of the module entirely and put it in the wrapping template. Frietjes (talk) 21:13, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
::::{{Facepalm}} Thanks!! Appreciate you tracking this down. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 21:16, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::If you feel like performing a code review... Would LOVE you input on this discussion ↗ and specifically the code in the sandbox. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 22:18, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

Unblock?

{{unblock reviewed |1=suddenly I am unable to edit any pages because <code>136.226.0.0/16</code> has been blocked by Izno? in the past I have been able to edit so long as I was logged in, but now I can only edit my talk page. Frietjes (talk) 15:10, 26 June 2026 (UTC) |accept = Handled via WP:IPBE ↗. Yamla (talk) 16:24, 26 June 2026 (UTC)}}

That IP address belongs to zscaler, a proxy. Please disable your proxy. Note it may take as long as 24 hours for the block to clear. WP:IPBE ↗ is likely also an option if you are for some reason forced to use this proxy, given your truly impressive edit history. --Yamla (talk) 15:18, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
: Yamla, unfortunately, I am forced to use this proxy. Frietjes (talk) 15:37, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

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If you still need to use the proxy once that 1 year is up, please request an extension. I can't see anyone having any problem granting you that extension. --Yamla (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
: Yamla, thank you! Frietjes (talk) 16:09, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
::You know, you wouldn't have had to request this if you were already an admin. JUST SAYING Izno (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Izno, thank you. I would but I couldn't take the stress of RFA. Frietjes (talk) 15:31, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

Regarding your recent edits

Hi. I can see that you've collapsed a few rail transport in Poland by county templates, such as Template:Rail transport in Zgorzelec County ↗. Thanks for fixing the whitespace, however I reverted the collapse because all articles that use these templates just have one navbox, so I don't see why it should be collapsed. And actually, see this ↗: {{tq|9.
Due to size, the use of multiple nav templates may take up too much space on one article, which could lead to a POV-tainted choice as to which to include. This can be minimised by setting all or most templates on a page to autocollapse, hiding most of their content until activated.}} Take a look at 2026 Piła train collision ↗, it uses Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 2026 ↗. That's the only navbox there, so it isn't collapsed. Same with all other rail accidents of the same year which have just one navbox, uncollapsed. Fortek67 (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
: Fortek67, do you see where it says <code>autocollapse</code> in your quote? if you set a navbox to <code>autocollapse</code> (which is the default if you don't pass anything) it will be expanded by default when it is the only navbox on the page. this is exactly what I was doing, so why are you reverting my changes? Frietjes (talk) 14:41, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
::Frietjes, well this isn't working how you say it is, because it's still collapsed despite being the only navbox in the article. See the bottom of Mikułowa ↗, Jerzmanki ↗, Węgliniec Dworzec Mały ↗, the list goes on. And now look at an article such as Gozdnica ↗ which uses <code>uncollapsed</code>. Now I understand your intentions, however it's not working how you say it should. Fortek67 (talk) 15:00, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Fortek67, there must be another template on that page being identified as a navbox which is causing it to collapse by default. if you open up just the bottom section in preview mode, you will see that it is uncollapsed. but, if you open the entire page in preview mode it is collapsed. let me have a look and figure out what is going on. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
::::The only template that is present in all railway station pages is {{T|Adjacent stations}}, but that's a succession box ↗. This issue isn't present in any railway line articles (to my knowledge) such as Węgliniec–Czerwona Woda ↗. Very weird. Fortek67 (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fortek67, it's the collapsible location box in the infobox. I am going to ask at WP:VPT ↗ if there is a workaround, but if not, then I agree with the "expanded by default" solution. Frietjes (talk) 15:24, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::Alright then, thanks! Fortek67 (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2026 (UTC)