Back to Profile

User Talk: Huldra

Server-side rendered snapshot of this editor's Wikipedia talk page discussions.

{{tmbox
| type = notice
| image =
| imageright =
| plainlinks = no
| text =

Please leave any new messages on the bottom of this page. You can sign your name by typing 4 tildes, like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.

'''If you start a new section here, I will reply here.'''

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine/Tasks ↗

User talk:Huldra/Archive 2

<nowiki>{{subst:alert/first|a-i}}</nowiki>

<nowiki>{{Contentious topics/editnotice|topic=a-i}}</nowiki>

}}
{{archives}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{talkarchivenav}}
|maxarchivesize = 125K
|counter = 6
|algo = old(14d)
|archive = User talk:Huldra/Archive %(counter)d
}}{{User:HBC Archive Indexerbot/OptIn
|target=/Archive index |mask=/Archive <#> |leading_zeros=0 |indexhere=yes
}}

Note to self

{{User:ClueBot III/DoNotArchiveUntil|Error: Invalid time.Category:Pages with parser function time errors ↗}}

Talk:Kfar Ahim#RfC: Arab vs. Palestinian? ↗

Talk:Jabel Mukaber#External links ↗

WP:Legality of Israeli settlements ↗

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=&title=Special%3ALinkSearch

https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&group=&editsOnly=1&creationSort=1&desc=1&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50

better: Special:Log/newusers ↗

WP:VPT ↗ and WP:QUARRY ↗

Hello dear

I missed you. Not ignoring your comment there. But I am very frustrated by what is being done to that page and have pulled back for tonight. Perhaps will join the discussion again tomorrow. Much love to you always. Tiamut (talk) 22:52, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:It is really absurd: when the Catholic Church identified Ghattas (and Maria Baouardy ↗) as Palestinian, but en.wp does not? Huldra (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
::The article has long been divided into parts, one for post-Mandate and one pre, as you probably know, to appease the anti-Palestinian POV that Palestine's history does not belong to modern Palestinians, who are somehow different (even though nothing changed except they developed a national consciousness). The pre was was then split off, to further appease those objecting, who felt that even if the two definitions were separated on the page, it was insufficient. And I thought this would put an end to the objections. Marie was listed in the pre-Mandate section because I had not noticed she lived beyond the time of the end of the Mandate. When I tried to add her where she belongs, an editor began objecting that she lacked political consciousness or identity, a bizarre claim because the basis of the split was chronological, and not to suddenly apply a political litmus test to every remaining entry at List of Palestinians ↗. The definition for that section never changed (I only rephrased it once the split was made to reflect its reduced contents) and no one really objected to how the post-Mandate section was defined before. Now that they got what they wanted, they are challenging the very existence of the remaining page. It is very painful really, the lack of respect for Palestinian identity and the right to define themselves. Tiamut (talk) 23:17, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
::I feel sick to my stomach. Tiamut (talk) 23:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I am baffled by this, in the 16th and 17the century writing there were no Norwegians. None. If a Norwegian achieved anything, they were called "Danes", eg Peter Tordenskjold ↗,Ludvig Holberg ↗. Not until the (late) 19th century, they were "Norwegian" again, or Danish Norwegian. Like the Battle of Dynekilen ↗; 90% of the sailors were Norwegian, but if you look at the writing for the first hundred years after the battle, they always wrote that "the Danes beat the Swedes". National identity didn't really come before the 19th century, spurred by the Napoleonic wars.
:::Same for many other countries/Nationalities, eg all the Italian masters; Dante Alighieri ↗, Giovanni Boccaccio ↗; does anyone care which city-state they came from? They are alle in List of people from Italy ↗ And List of Polish people ↗ includes people like Joseph Conrad ↗ (who even wrote in English). Golda Meir's "there are no Palestinian people" was just wishful thinking, not reality. We just have to work, work, and work against those who are trying to turn wishful thinking into reality on wp, Huldra (talk) 23:46, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:::PS: I ''am'' sick to the stomach; I caught a bug a few days ago. The worst is over now, but I still have a bucket by my bed, just in case I vomit again, :( Huldra (talk) 23:54, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Oh dear Huldra, I am sorry to hear about the bug. I do hope you recover fully soon.
::::Yes, very few states with a strongly defined national belonging (or even a passport) existed within their current borders before the 20th century. And ten years ago here, before the scholarship built articles attesting to long-term widespread use of Palestine to refer to the region, many were still trying to Gold Meir it. Now they want to redefine/appropriate it, as she tried to do. Tiamut (talk) 00:05, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::My dear sweet Huldra. Thank you for being you, and for feeling me. Not sure I will be able to edit as diligently in the days to come. Things have flared up again here. Have to get some things in order in case it will be prolonged. Will pop in as I can. May the dawn break soon. Tiamut (talk) 20:15, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::May the dawn break soon, indeed! Be safe, dearest, Huldra (talk) 20:39, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

May 2026

25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello, I'm Zackmann08. Thank you for your recent contributions to :Al-Bassa ↗. When you were adding content to the page, you added duplicate arguments ↗ to a template which can cause issues with how the template is rendered. In the future, please use the preview ↗ button before you save your edit; this helps you find these errors as they will display in yellow at the top of the page. Thanks. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 01:58, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
:: Thank you, User:Zackmann08 for fixing that, but when I preview "my" version of the article, I get zero error-messages. Perhaps because the 2 fields were identical? Huldra (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately there are a lot of warnings on the page so it kinda gets lots. If you go back to Special:Permalink/1355951675 ↗, edit and preview it, you will see a yellow box saying {{tq|'''Warning: Al-Bassa''' is calling Template:Cite book ↗ with more than one value for the "first" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used. (Help ↗)}}.
:::To be clear this is NOT a huge deal. Just something to keep in mind. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 20:26, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
::::User:Zackmann08 Got it, and yeah, that definitely gets lost in all the other templates, Huldra (talk) 20:31, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Warning blindness is a real thing. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 20:33, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::User:Zackmann08 in the IP-area: definitely,Huldra (talk) 20:34, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

2026-06 Wikipedia subversion

Hello, in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen ↗ you write «AR then conflates the two groups (!);». In at least one occurrence AR contradict himself by distinguish the two: «A group called Tech For Palestine launched a '''separate''' but complementary campaign after October 7» (bold by me) in piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-editors-hijacked-the-israel-palestine-narrative . By the way, you are welcome to edit the articles {{pagelinks|Ashley Rindsberg}} and {{pagelinks|Tech for Palestine}}. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 10:17, 20 June 2026 (UTC)
:Hi User:Visite fortuitement prolongée: thanks, the only editing of the AR article I want to make, is to nominate it for WP:AfD ↗; I think it is a ridiculous inflated puffery piece. And both AR himself, and others who share his beliefs, now regurlarely mention it as a "fact" that "the gang of 40" "collude uff-wiki". At least it is good to see that you are banned from WP, if you repeat that smear/rubbish on WP, Huldra (talk) 20:43, 20 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Sorry, i don't understand the last sentence. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 10:42, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
:::e.g. ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen ↗. I guess whether intentional or not, the effect of statements like 'a separate but complementary campaign' is to build a bridge between fictional and factual elements of the story. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Sean is correct. The fact that "ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen" was referring to the rubbish that originated with AR, as "facts", got them banned, thankfully, Huldra (talk) 20:20, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

June 2026

25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Thank you for your contributions ↗ to Wikipedia. Regarding your recent edits to :Monastery of Saint Saviour ↗ when you modified the page, you introduced {{cl|Unknown parameters|unknown parameters}}. Just because you specify {{para|some_param|{{var|some_variable}}}} does not always mean that variable will display. The {{para|some_param}} must be defined in the template. You can look at the documentation for the template you are using but it is also helpful to use the preview ↗ button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made and ensure that the values you have added are displaying correctly. Below the edit box is a '''Show preview''' button. Pressing this will show you what the page will look like without actually saving it. It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. Note I have likely fixed the error by now so check the history ↗ of the page to see how it was fixed. If you have any questions, contact the help desk ↗ for assistance.
Thank you. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 21:24, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::User:Zackmann08 do you know how to make the grid-numbers visible in Infobox monastery?? It is visible in, say, Infobox settlement, Huldra (talk) 21:28, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
:::That would need to be added to the Infobox at Template:Infobox monastery ↗. Before doing this you need consensus at Template talk:Infobox monastery ↗. This information does not always conform to MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE ↗... '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 21:31, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::::User:Zackmann08 since the place is identified in archeological and historical literature (as in the Pringle -link I just added); I would argue that it is definitely MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE ↗....Huldra (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::That debate can take place on the talk page for the template. You may have a point, but it needs to be discussed there, not on your talk page. '''Zackmann''' (Talk to me ↗/What I been doing ↗) 21:37, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::User:Zackmann08, agreed, and I have started a discussion there, thanks, Huldra (talk) 21:44, 30 June 2026 (UTC)