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transurane



Hallo JWBE

Bin gerade noch ziemlich mit FAC für Niobium beschäftigt und habe mich gerade ein bißchen in die Iod production eingelesen die ich noch etwas erweitern wollte, aber ein bißchen Input für die Transurane ist sicherlich hilfreich, weil die in der en: Version noch nicht so besonders sind. Mav is gerade dabei Plutonium anzuhübschen, vielleicht bekommen wir ja es hin auch hier noch ein par GA zu erstellen.--Stone (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Vanillin



Hi. You reverted my revision of Vanillin as seen here ↗. In the edit summary you wrote that it is both a phenol ether and a phenol. While this is true, this is true for all phenol ethers. Furthermore, the category :Category:Phenol ethers ↗ is categorized in both :Category:Phenols ↗ and :Category:Ethers ↗, which means vanillin is now categorized in 'Category:Phenols' twice. Please reconsider your edit. Nirmos (talk) 11:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, there will be no change and there is nothing to reconsider, as it contains both(!): a methoxy-group and(!) an OH-group, so its a phenol-ether and(!) a phenol. Please have a close look at the structure and its functional groups. Your sentence "While this is true, this is true for all phenol ethers." is here not correct. For example: Anisole ↗ is only a phenol ether but not a phenol. Please watch the German version: :de:Kategorie:Phenol ↗ and :de:Kategorie:Phenolether ↗ and the substances therein. For detailed questions please go to: Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry ↗. So long ... --JWBE (talk) 20:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

RuO<sub>4</sub>


I am going to respectfully revert your move. For people in the area, its called tetraoxide. Or at least we should discuss it. Hope youre ok with that. --Smokefoot (talk) 13:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
:The problem is, that the naming of the oxides in en:wp is very diffuse. In de:wp we came to the conclusion to use tho oxdiation state in general, except alkali oxides, erdalkali oxides, 3d-oxides and i.e. Aluminiumoxide instead of Aluminium(III) oxide. Best practice would be, that you would completely follow to the de.wp-solution. The same solution is used with all halogenides, sulfides, etc. So I do not agree with a revert. --JWBE (talk) 14:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
::What about discussing this issue on WT:CHEM ↗? --Leyo 19:24, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

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Pentanes



I'm concerned your recent edits to Pentanes ↗ don't contain enough citations to prove notability. I don't edit science-related topics but I don't see why these isomers aren't addressed at pentane ↗, instead. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span> (<span style="color:#345">talk</span>)</span> 19:28, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:Dont be concerned. Its to make clear between a single substance and a group, and to create a more systematic approach. The collegues in the chemistry portal will take care of it. Greetings --JWBE (talk) 06:45, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Ways to improve Intel 8289



Hi, I'm Kelven99874. JWBE, thanks for creating Intel 8289 ↗!

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:Well, I had translated my own articel from :de:Intel 8289 ↗, so the wrong page was transported as well. --JWBE (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Berberonic acid



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'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''' <sup><i style="color:blue">TT me</i></sup> 15:11, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Lutidinic acid ↗ moved to draftspace



An article you recently created, Lutidinic acid ↗, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable ↗, independent sources ↗. <small>(? ↗)</small> Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability ↗ is of central importance ↗ on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace ↗ (with a prefix of "<code>Draft:</code>" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline ↗ and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. DannyS712 (talk) 13:07, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
:No, i will move it back, the chemists will discover it very quickly. You are too fast and too "engaged" JWBE (talk) 13:11, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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Your edits to oxyanion categories



I noticed that you made a large number of edits to categories for oxyanions on April 14<sup>th</sup> (and also some on April 15<sup>th</sup>) ↗, including clearing the category :Category:Transition metal oxyanions ↗ and adding various categories to :Category:Oxygen compounds ↗ even though they were already descendant categories of :Category:Oxyanions ↗. For :Category:Transition metal oxyanions ↗, you did not appear to specify a reason for any of its members that you removed. If you believed that the category was for some reason unnecessary, in the future, please voice your concern at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion ↗ instead of clearing the category. As for the descendant categories of :Category:Oxyanions ↗, be aware that as a general rule (although there are some exceptions), it is unnecessary (and should not be done to prevent categories from becoming cluttered) for one category to be a direct descendant of another category if it is already an indirect descendant of that category. (This is explained for articles at Wikipedia:Categorization#Subcategorization ↗, but it also applies to categories and other pages.) This is necessary for diffusing categories ↗, so making categories that are already indirect descendants of another category direct descendants of that category essentially undiffuses that category. This is considered improper and is a bad idea because it clutters the undiffused category.

I encourage you to read through Wikipedia:Categorization ↗ to get a better idea of Wikipedia's guidelines of categorization. After reading it, you should review your edits involving categories and categorization and undo or modify them to comply with Wikipedia's guidelines of categorization. If the number of edits pertaining to categorization is too numerous for you to be able to review all of them alone, you may seek help from other Wikipedians. Please be aware that while having to review your edits and possibly having some of your edits be undone may seem punitive, it is not meant to be a punishment but instead is only done in the interest of improving Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 00:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|The Nth User}} The categorisation in chemistry in en:wp is in general very split up, looks more like an chaotic net und has a poor systematisation. We found in de:wp a more systematic way witch is more similar to a pedigree-chart. In this example we start with :de:Kategorie:Sauerstoffverbindung ↗ <--> :Category:Oxygen compounds ↗. All subcategories as oxyanions, Transition metal oxoacids, Transition metal compounds, (Transition metal dichalcogenides, Dichalcogenides in other branches), etc. could be deleted. Even we don't use i.e. :Category:Oxidizing agents ↗ because this could depend on personal decision. Not any subgroup is worth to generate a category. These are my first opinions and I'll continue with further examples JWBE (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
::That may be the case on the German Wikipedia, but the English Wikipedia has its own categorization system that you, along with all other English Wikipedia editors, are expected to observe when editing the English Wikipedia. (I didn't know about the standard initially either; see User_talk:The_Nth_User#Help_me_with_child_categories! ↗.) Also, I looked at the category you listed (using Google Translate ↗), and based off of that category, the German Wikipedia appears to also employ the principle of an article not needing to be in a given category if it is already in a child category. For example, de:Kategorie:Perchlorat ↗ (Category:Perchlorate) is a subcategory of de:Kategorie:Sauerstoffverbindung ↗ (Category:Oxygen compound), and de:Ammoniumperchlorat ↗ (Ammonium perchlorate) is a member of de:Kategorie:Perchlorat ↗ (Category:Perchlorate) but not de:Kategorie:Sauerstoffverbindung ↗ (Category:Oxygen compound). Also, the number of pages in de:Kategorie:Phosphorsäureester ↗ (Category:Phosphoric acid ester) (117 pages) and de:Kategorie:Sulfat ↗ (Category:Sulfate) (83 pages) is more than the number of pages in de:Kategorie:Sauerstoffverbindung ↗ (Category:Oxygen compound) (195 pages).
::Also, when using pings, one must add one's signature in the same edit that one adds the ping in order for the ping to work. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 01:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:I'm still waiting for a response. Contesting the speedy deletion of :Category:Transition metal oxyanions ↗ (or by now, asking for it to be recreated) without your okaying it implies that your rationale for clearing the category was flawed, which I do not want to have to do because of that reason. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 23:29, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
::The deletion of :Category:Transition metal oxyanions ↗ is OK. JWBE (talk) 08:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
:::I think that you're confused. I want the category to remain. What you did, unilaterally clearing a category and having it marked for speedy deletion instead of proposing it for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion ↗, bypasses discussion and consensus. You can either agree to let the category be revived now (which wouldn't prevent you from starting a discussion for its deletion afterwards), or I will start a formal discussion in Wikipedia:Categories for Discussion ↗ for bringing the category back. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 20:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
::::I have started a discussion in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion for bringing the category back. ↗ You may comment on it if you want to. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 00:52, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

:Category:Iodites ↗ has been nominated for discussion


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:If you won't expect further articles, it is quite OK. On the other hand :Category:Halites ↗ could be deleted. JWBE (talk) 11:08, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
::I created :Category:Halites ↗, along with the other subcategories of :Category:Halogen oxyanions ↗, to organize :Category:Halogen oxyanions ↗ further; if you believe that they are unnecessary, you may propose them for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion ↗.
::Also, while I think you for replying to the CfD notification here, it is prefferable to do so at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 20#Category:Iodites ↗, where the discussion is taking place. Is it okay if I copy your reply to there (or do you want to do it?)? Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 01:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:::OK so far JWBE (talk) 08:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Alkynes?


Hi there, why are these articles like Diphenylacetylene ↗ being relabeled as alkyne derivatives. Ph<sub>2</sub>C<sub>2</sub> ''is'' an alkyne, its not a derivative of an alkyne. So far as I know.--Smokefoot (talk) 11:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
:Just looks into Alkynes ↗ and please just think of the classical definition of alkynes: Hydrocarbon, one C-C triple-bond and CnH2n-2. I think that could be found in all standard chemistry books. And I prefer to go with the exact classical definitions. All other hetero atoms and groups are excluded. And I expect the same by filling categories. I'd like to follow chemical nomenclature as close as possible. JWBE (talk) 11:18, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
::That approach is controversial. I recommend asking around.--Smokefoot (talk) 12:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Diffusing :Category:Alcohols ↗



Would you like to help me diffuse :Category:Alcohols ↗ into :Category:Primary alcohols ↗, :Category:Secondary alcohols ↗, and :Category:Tertiary alcohols ↗? I'm going to be busy in real life for a few weeks, and I know that you like to subcategorize chemistry-related articles in general, so I figured that you'd be willing to help. I've already started the work. ↗ You may ask other users for assistance if you want. Also, if you accept, remember that compounds with multiple hydroxyl groups might fall into multiple categories. Thank you. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 04:43, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
: I have started to do so JWBE (talk) 22:07, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
::I have seen. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 21:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
::I noticed that while for the most part, you're helping to diffuse :Category:Alcohols ↗, there are a few pages that you added ↗ to subcategories of :Category:Alcohols ↗, like :Category:Secondary alcohols ↗, when they were already in subcategories of the category that you added, like :Category:Phenols ↗. When I your help to diffuse :Category:Alcohols ↗ into :Category:Primary alcohols ↗, :Category:Secondary alcohols ↗, and :Category:Tertiary alcohols ↗, I assumed that those would be the only applicable categories because more specific types of alcohols…say, phenols… already seem to be well-categoried; however, if you see any pages that would fit into more specific categories, by all means, add them to the more specific categories instead, as I have done ↗. Thank you.
::Also, keep in mind that if you see that a lot of pages have a common chemical substructure, you can create a category for it. When going back through your recent edits (to catch anything like categorizing a page both in :Category:Secondary alcohols ↗ and :Category:Phenols ↗), I noticed that the vast majority of these pages ↗ have one of two specific chemical substructures involving a phenyl group, so I made a couple of subcategories, :Category:Phenylethanolamines ↗ and :Category:N-isopropyl-phenoxypropanolamines ↗, for them. There are probably more pages earlier that fit into those categories, but I ran out of time for tonight. I encourage you to create more categories like these in the future when appropriate. Remember: We don't want to have to diffuse :Category:Secondary alcohols ↗ next. (It's better now, but it had over 300 members recently.) Once again, thank you. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 02:39, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

More chemical categorization



I just created :Category:Phenylpiperazines ↗, and I would appreciate your help in filling it. I'd like you to add all of the phenylpiperazine derivatives listed at Phenylpiperazine ↗ to the category except for those that belong in subcategories. (I've only created one subcategory, :Category:Eltoprazines ↗, but if you notice that five or so of the pages that you add to the category have a further similarity in their chemical structures, please create a subcategory for them.) The pages are all listed there; you just need to add them. Thank you. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 00:04, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Undoing my edits



I noticed that you've undone a few of my edits that I would like to discuss with you. For https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=4-Hydroxynonenal&diff=prev&oldid=901633811 ↗ and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mesityl_oxide&diff=prev&oldid=906738569 ↗, the compounds actually are enones because the carbon-carbon double bond is next to (and therefore conjugated to) the carbon-oxygen double bond. Is it okay if I move them back? Also, I noticed that you removed two pages from :Category:Pyrogallols ↗ with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1,2,3,5-Tetrahydroxybenzene&diff=904609926&oldid=876229287 ↗ and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Octahydroxyanthraquinone&diff=904609773&oldid=904581371 ↗ and that you removed :Category:Pyrogallols ↗ from :Category:Catechols ↗ and :Category:Resorcinols ↗ with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pyrogallols&diff=904610046&oldid=900018117 ↗. I don't think that adding a hydroxyl group to a compound that is already a pyrogallol, catechol, etc… would make it stop being that type of compound. For example, Orsellinic acid ↗ and 2,4-Dihydroxybenzoic acid ↗ are categorized in :Category:Salicylic acids ↗. (By the way, thank you for populating :Category:Phenylpiperazines ↗ for me. Thanks to you, I was able to spend more time diffusing :Category:Phenol ethers ↗.) Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 17:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:Its not a godd idea to categorize any Trihydroxybenzene as a child of an Dihydroxybenzene. Tetrahydroxybenzene is the same. They are brothers/sisters not childs
:And its even the same bad idea to put Orsellinic acid ↗ and 2,4-Dihydroxybenzoic acid ↗ in :Category:Salicylic acids ↗.
:Regards JWBE (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
::I'm not the one who categorized them that way. My point is that based on the fact that they are categorized like that, Wikipedia consensus apparently agrees with me. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 00:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

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:Marking an empty category as an empty category is not "vandalism". You are also not supposed to remove a speedy deletion tag from a page you created. That's disruptive editing. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">'''''L'''''iz</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">'''''Read!''''' ↗ '''''Talk!'''''</sup> 15:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::Making speedy deletion nominations within 24 h is unfriendly and disturbs filling it. Overheated ambitions are not helpful. JWBE (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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I dont support moving ferricyanide to some IUPAC name



Inorganic and organic chemists do not use IUPAC in this case. Chemists should be consulted before making such a move. --Smokefoot (talk) 16:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
:Ferricyanide and ferrocyanide are so old fashioned, that this is not only a IUPAC question. Regards JWBE (talk) 16:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
::Ask a chemist, you'll get a different answer!--Smokefoot (talk) 17:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
:::I am a PhD chemist and very familiar with correct naming. Feel glad that I am doing the last harmonizations. Regards JWBE (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can see that youre a chemist and an experienced editor, so it is perplexing to me that this change is being done so unilaterally? We all want to help the field move along, and help Wiki-Chem, but this change seems premature. I checked by searching the Journal of the American Chemical Society. Search term "Ferricyanide" (2024-2023). DOI's:
10.1021/jacs.4c00875
10.1021/jacs.3c14186
10.1021/jacs.3c13828
10.1021/jacs.3c11451
10.1021/jacs.3c12783
10.1021/jacs.3c14545
10.1021/jacs.3c10454
10.1021/jacs.3c12913
10.1021/jacs.3c13674
10.1021/jacs.3c11887

10.1021/jacs.3c11517
10.1021/jacs.3c10199
10.1021/jacs.3c10145
10.1021/jacs.3c04250
10.1021/jacs.3c02577
10.1021/jacs.3c02033
10.1021/jacs.3c00442
10.1021/jacs.2c11683
10.1021/jacs.2c12617
10.1021/jacs.2c12497
10.1021/jacs.2c13126
Now, I only spot checked a few for "ferricyanide", but assume that the search tool works ok. Then, I used the Search term "Hexacyanido". Zilch. Zilch for 2024-2023, Zilch for all time. You also might check. https://pubs.acs.org/toc/jacsat/0/0. --Smokefoot (talk) 18:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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Categorization of 2,3-Dichlorophenylpiperazine ↗



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:In example :Category:1-Piperazinyl compounds ↗ is strictly exclusive, so its not allowed to add any further substitutes to it. This property has to be kept by its childs, grandchilds and so on. So only Meta-Chlorophenylpiperazine ↗ itself is in this case a valid child. 1-(3-Chlorophenyl)-4-(2-phenylethyl)piperazine ↗ is not valid. So avoid weakening this restrictions. JWBE (talk) 13:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:I have corrected :Category:2,3-Dichlorophenylpiperazines ↗ to the more common cats, also 1-(3-Chlorophenyl)-4-(2-phenylethyl)piperazine ↗. Avoid any changes of my work. Just accept that I am doing right. JWBE (talk) 13:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::I was unaware that :Category:1-Piperazinyl compounds ↗ was exclusive in this way; thank you for informing me of this. How I intended :Category:meta-Chlorophenylpiperazines ↗ is that anything with that as a substructure would fit into the category, not that it had to fit as a subcategory of :Category:1-Piperazinyl compounds ↗ with the restriction that you just informed me of, so my solution would be to make it no longer a subcategory of :Category:1-Piperazinyl compounds ↗, not to remove all but one of its members. If I remove :Category:1-Piperazinyl compounds ↗ as a parent category, may I restore the former members? Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 04:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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Request to discuss chemical category changes before implementation



Thank you for your contributions to chemistry-related articles. I noticed your recent edits involving changes to chemical categories, particularly the replacement of :Category:2-Aminopyridines ↗ with :Category:Disubstituted pyridines ↗.
I wanted to kindly ask that before making potentially controversial or sweeping changes to chemical categorization, you initiate a discussion on the WikiProject Chemistry ↗ talk page. Category structures in chemistry can be nuanced, and changes like these can have broader implications for article organization and navigation. Specifically, in this case, I don't this change was helpful for the following reasons:

Looking forward to your input on the project page. Boghog (talk) 06:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
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:: The main point is not about that specific reference but more about the broader categorization issue. When it comes to changes in chemical categories, particularly those that affect how articles are grouped and navigated, it's really helpful to raise them at WT:CHEM ↗ first.
:: Would you be open to starting a thread on the WikiProject Chemistry talk page? That way, we can get wider input and agree on a consistent, chemically meaningful approach to categorization. Boghog (talk) 07:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Today it is Sunday, and I want to do something different, so just wait ... JWBE (talk) 08:28, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
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I have been patient and waited two days. Returning to the issue of replacing :Category:2-Aminopyridines ↗ with :Category:Disubstituted pyridines ↗.

Before your re-categorization, the aminopyridine hierarchy looked like:
<pre>
Category:Chemicals
└─ Category:Chemical compounds
└─ Category:Pyridines
└─ Category:Aminopyridines
├─ Category:2‑Aminopyridines (40 examples)
│ └─ 2‑Aminopyridine (parent article exits)
├─ Category:3‑Aminopyridines (9 examples)
│ └─ 3‑Aminopyridine (parent article exits)
└─ Category:4‑Aminopyridines (7 examples)
└─ 4‑Aminopyridine (parent article exits)
</pre>
After your edits, it looked like
<pre>
Category:Chemicals
└─ Category:Chemical compounds
└─ Category:Pyridines
├─ Category:Monosubstituted pyridines (e.g., 2‑, 3‑, 4‑Pyridyl compounds)
├─ Category:Disubstituted pyridines
├─ Category:Hydroxypyridines
└─ (other subcategories like Polypyridines, Bipyridines, etc.)
</pre>
I would argue that the first categorization is preferable for the following reasons:
I'm happy to discuss this further if you see a compelling reason to favor the new structure. Boghog (talk) 18:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Category



How about :Category:Methylthio compounds ↗ and :Category:Ethylthio compounds ↗？ Htmlzycq (talk) 14:11, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

:Add :Category:Propylthio compounds ↗, :Category:Isopropylthio compounds ↗. MORE like Category:Butylthio compounds, Category:Isobutylthio compounds, Category:tert-Butylthio compounds, Category:sec-Butylthio compounds is useful? Htmlzycq (talk) 15:00, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
::How about English translate of :fr:Catégorie:Éther de thiophénol ↗? Htmlzycq (talk) 15:05, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
::::fr:Catégorie:Éther de thiophénol ↗ is unclear designed. I would reject it. It has to be used precisely, so any other subtituents must be excluded. Better is to name it "Phenylthio compounds", but the amount seems to be small. "Arylthio compounds" on the other hand offers enough broadness. Regards JWBE (talk) 20:19, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Please take care in using exact building blocks, that dont carry the risk of overinterpretations. JWBE (talk) 20:21, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::Category:Phenylthio compounds ↗ done, 11 pages, more than Propyl and Isopropyl Htmlzycq (talk) 01:52, 4 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::Please delete "Éther de thiophénol", it is complety wrong designed. Or rename it like "Ether de aryl" or similar. Regards JWBE (talk) 07:29, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

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I noticed that you removed all eight pages that were in the category :Category:1-(Benzenesulfonyl)-3-cyclohexylureas ↗ (at least at the Wayback Machine's only saved snapshot ↗), specifically Acetohexamide ↗, Glibenclamide ↗, Glibornuride ↗, Glicaramide ↗, Glimepiride ↗, Glipizide ↗, Gliquidone ↗, and Metahexamide ↗. (This was before it got deleted.) There was a similar instance previously where you removed Meta-Chlorophenylpiperazine ↗, Acaprazine ↗, BRL-15572 (then titled BRL-15,572) ↗, 1-(3-Chlorophenyl)-4-(2-phenylethyl)piperazine ↗, Hydroxynefazodone ↗, Mepiprazole ↗, and Triazoledione ↗ from Category:''meta''-Chlorophenylpiperazines ↗. (This was also before it got deleted.) There was another similar instance previously where you removed Batoprazine ↗, CPD-1 ↗, Elopiprazole ↗, Enciprazine ↗, Ensaculin ↗, Naftopidil ↗, SB-258585 ↗, SB-271046 ↗, SB-357134 ↗, SB-399885 ↗, Umespirone ↗, Urapidil ↗, WAY-100135 ↗, and WAY-100635 ↗ from :Category:N-(2-methoxyphenyl)piperazines ↗. (This was also before it got deleted.) I request that you stop unilaterally clearing my categories because it makes them useless (as reflected in Wikipedia's policy of deleting empty non-maintenance categories) by preventing them from serving the purposes that I created them to serve (decluttering the parent categories (without simply omitting articles that belong there) and grouping articles about similar chemicals together). If you do not think that my categories should not be used (e.g., because their names seem overly long, overly technical, or ambiguous), you are still free to list them in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion ↗, but please do not enforce that belief unilaterally without gaining consensus. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 22:15, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

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Category:Vinylogous carboxylic acids



Here are SMILES demonstrating that the following substances actually are vinylogous carboxylic acids:
May I restore the relevant pages and categories to :Category:Vinylogous carboxylic acids ↗ now? Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 00:13, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
:No its simply wrong, SMILES is not a way to proof this. But your argumentation shows a deep missunderstanding of chemistry and your ignorance in this. Restoring is not allowed and wrong. JWBE (talk) 19:15, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
::The idea behind the SMILES was to show that there exists a resonance structure where the formal negative charge is on an oxygen atom that had no attached hydrogen to begin with. If that is not a correct way to prove that those compounds are indeed vinylogous carboxylic acids, then what is? In case your point is that resonance structures where the aromaticity of the π-system is formally disrupted would not have a significant contribution, I shall mention that 4-Hydroxybenzaldehyde ↗ has a significantly lower pK<sub>a</sub> than 3-Hydroxybenzaldehyde ↗, which would seem to indicate that there is a significant contribution even when the stabilizing resonance structure formally disrupts the aromaticity of the π-system. (I did not mention this the first time because I thought that it would violate WP:SYNTH ↗, but perhaps I am wrong, and that is what you meant by proof.) Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 22:02, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
::The topic is ''phenylogy'', so a good first step is to put structures having that concept in their own cat. It's a topic that is specifically identified in the literature, so labeling those articles is not pure OR of our making up a novel distinction. The question is whether phenylogy is a subcat vs sister-cat of vinylogy. Dealing with that is a single change of a single page (the cat itself) rather than changing all the specific articles, and even if we get it wrong, we're still moving towards helping readers find all the associated articles on the phenylogy topic. DMacks (talk) 13:50, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you for explaining that to me. I have created :Category:Phenylogous carboxylic acids ↗ as a child category of :Category:Vinylogous carboxylic acids ↗, but I won't complain if someone changes it to a sister category.
:::Also, JWBE, why didn't you just tell me that my confusion arose from not realizing the distinction between vinylogous carboxylic acids and phenylogous carboxylic acids? That would have been more efficient than what actually happened. And likewise for :Category:(2,3,5,6-Tetrafluorophenyl)methyl 3-ethenyl-2,2-dimethylcyclopropane-1-carboxylates ↗/:Category:(2,3,5,6-Tetrafluorophenyl)methyl 3-ethenyl-2,2-dimethylcyclopropane-1-carboxylate derivatives ↗ and all of my categories that you got speedy-deleted by clearing that I will recreate with the word derivatives at the end of their names once I have the time. You could have just requested that they be renamed, and that would have both taken less of your time and less of my time. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 06:46, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
::::Lots of :Category:Hydroxybenzaldehydes ↗ looks ripe for adding to :Category:Phenylogous carboxylic acids ↗. DMacks (talk) 19:59, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yes; thank you for pointing that out. There were enough that I decided to create :Category:4-Hydroxybenzaldehyde derivatives ↗ and :Category:Salicylaldehyde derivatives ↗ for them instead of putting them in directly. I feel better about the category tree now; thank you again for explaining JWBE's objection to me. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N<sup>th</sup> User 06:22, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

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