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I am sorry to bother you but I have been recently pulling updates for Module:Wd ↗ to several other WMF sites and the Welsh guys seem to be having an issue with the <code>malformed-reference</code> code you authored at Special:Diff/1142473992/1150716473 ↗. I thought perhaps you could weigh in at cy:Sgwrs Defnyddiwr:Llywelyn2000#Gwallau WD ↗, since I assume you understand that code considerably better than I do. Thank you, —Uzume (talk) 12:59, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

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:Many thanks! Janhrach (talk) 13:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::Hi Janhrach,<br>
::If you could add a short description of your change when making a template modification (instead of just "Update from sandbox"), it would make future maintenance easier. That way, we won't have to check what you did mention when you made the change in the sandbox.<br>
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Miscellaneous Cyrillic symbols



Is there some sort of task force activity in progress to clean up junk pages about Cyrillic characters? If so, where is it documented? If so, I would like to see what its scope is intended to be. If you have taken it on yourself to clean up pages about Cyrillic characters, it would be a good idea to become familiar with how draft space is used and is meant to be used. On the one hand, stuff that is truly abandoned is nominated for deletion by a bot, and so is self-deleting. On the other hand, making minor edits to drafts is a feature, not a bug or a misfeature. I haven't looked in detail at the articles and redirects that you have tagged, but I know that the drafts that you have tagged are the sort of stuff that do no harm in draft space indefinitely if they are tweaked every five months, and cause more work for the community to discuss whether to delete them than would be spent leaving them alone either to go away in six months, or to linger for several years of occasional edits, or possibly to find a second reliable source ↗ and go into article space. So please either let me know who is coordinating this cleanup, or stop ragpicking ↗ . Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Robert McClenon}} I am sorry for the disruption I caused. I did ''not'' coordinate the edits with anybody.
:I started focusing on stubs about obscure Cyrillic letters after I stumbled upon this AfD ↗ a few days ago, which was about articles created by {{u|Glenn103}}. I tried MfD-ing a few drafts by this editor (they seemed to be hoaxes), but I was soon notified of Wikipedia:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity ↗. After an initial mainspace-only block, the editor was blocked as a sock from this group ↗.
:This raised my suspicions. Additionally, logged-out socking had been reported by AfC reviewers on some older drafts edited by Glenn103. After some digging in page histories, I found that some Cyrillic drafts had been edited by users from this sock group ↗ (focus on Cyrillic has even been pointed out in this SPI). I became convinced that there is an LTA focusing on obscure Cyrillic letters.
:I thought the best solution to socking on old drafts about unnotable topics was to send them to MfD. I mistakenly thought that Wikipedia:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity#So when is MfD appropriate? ↗ permitted, if not encouraged, nominations like this.
:Again, I apologize. Shall I withdraw the nominations? If yes, does simply closing them, with a note of the withdrawal, suffice?
:– Janhrach (talk) 13:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::At this point, I think that leaving the nominations open at MFD to be closed formally in about six days is probably the simplest course of action. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::You were right. Those Cyrillic letter drafts were hoaxes, and the originator was a sockpuppet, and the drafts have been deleted and the originator blocked. You were right. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Excuse me, could you clarify your reply? The MfD-ed drafts haven't been deleted. As for the Glenn103 drafts, they indeed have been speedily deleted, but that had happened before my December 27 reply. (I nominated the for SD the same day when I created the MfDs.) Which drafts are you refering to? Janhrach (talk) 16:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Janhrach, please excuse my pinging of @Robert McClenon, but I am also curious as to which drafts {{they are|Robert McClenon}} referring to, considering the MfDs indeed closed as keep. Rotideypoc41352 (talk '''·''' contribs ↗) 00:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::There were some miscellaneous Cyrillic drafts that were submitted by a sockpuppet and were deleted. I am not ready right now to look for their ghosts or to research who or what they were. I may look into this further in the future, but not in the next 48 hours. As Robert Pirsig ↗ reminds us, pursuing a ghost persistently is dangerous because you may become a ghost yourself. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Well, yes, I succesfully nominated some of the drafts for speedy deletion after the editor has been identified as a sock (without me influencing that in any way; the admin just changed the block settings and summary apparently without an SPI. This happened after I had made the MfDs, but before their closes.) Janhrach (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

CSD G5s


Hello, Janhrach,

Just wanted to let you know that looking around for page creations done by editors blocked as sockpuppets over 2 1/2 years ago is a very low priority task. These articles and drafts by block-evading socks are deleted to let the sockmaster know that they can't keep creating socks and getting away with it but 2022 was a long time ago and I'm sure that this sockmaster has moved on and is not watching these articles to see that they are being deleted. Deleting them after several years is kind of a bureaucratic move, following the letter of the CSD rules but not the spirit. So, if there are other tasks you spend time on that help the current state of the project, I'd encourage you to spend your time on those activities.

But thank you for the time and effort you are spending on this project. It's appreciated! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">'''''L'''''iz</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">'''''Read!''''' ↗ '''''Talk!'''''</sup> 18:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you, but the sockmaster may still be active, and worse, UPE may be involved. Someone in WP:Sockpuppet investigations/BobVillars/Archive ↗ said BobVillars may be from the YtoSu group, and apparently nlwiki considers it to be confirmed: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Checklijst_langdurig_structureel_vandalisme/Groupe_Ionis ↗. Janhrach (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::I just came by to remove my message but I see you have already responded to it. It felt like I was scolding you for being a thorough editor which wasn't my intention. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">'''''L'''''iz</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">'''''Read!''''' ↗ '''''Talk!'''''</sup> 18:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::No, that's fine. It actually would be strange to nominate articles by long-inactive non-UPE socks. Janhrach (talk) 18:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Clan Chattan "Encylcopedic tone"


Hi Janhrach.

Thank you for your interest in the Clan Chattan article.
I do however have to disagree with your statement as to the tone of the article.
The examples you use are moot:

1. "Unique confederation" this term has been used for hundreds of years to describe Clan Chattan. There is only one Confederation amongst the Scottish clan and it is this one.
2. "Clan profile" is part of the generic page design which if you look at the other 150 Scottish clan pages are all the same. This was decided quite a while back by a working group on all of these pages.
3. "Distinctive allied community" also used by numerous historians to describe this loose affiliation of families.
4. "Descendants of the Blood" Used since the 17th century to describe a portion of the clan versus other families that joined but were not blood related.

Could we have discussion on the Talk Page and come to understanding before just arbitrarily pasting generic comments on the top of a article?

Kind regards

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:Well, I thought these formulations are unambiguously unencyclopedic, but they apparently are not. (Your arguments are not weak.) I will step back and leave this on editors experienced in this topic area. Janhrach (talk) 15:19, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Template:Cyrillic alphabet sidebar ↗



I propose that the sidebar be converted into a navbox at the bottom of the article. The current sidebar is awkward (see A (Cyrillic) ↗ for an example) and inconsistent with other such templates, like Template:Latin script ↗. The French (and almost all of the other) Wikipedia(s) also use(s) a navbox ↗. <span style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #00c9c2; color: #000000;">🪐Kepler-1229b &#124; talk &#124; contribs🪐 ↗</span> 02:52, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

:I will soon start a discussion on the talk page of the template.
:As we are already here: you deprodded some articles (created by the same editor) I had nominated for PROD. This is of course not a problem, but their creator is apparently a troll and an article of theirs has been described as an {{tq|unhealthy mixture of fact and fiction}}, so you should be very wary of any claims the articles make. Janhrach (talk) 17:39, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

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:What? When? It was {{userlinks|Sofia Evangelidou}}. See ANI. Janhrach (talk) 17:03, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Isaac Kenyon



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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Isaac Kenyon ↗ for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace ↗ that's not for articles.

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Scope of Template:Cyrillic navbox ↗



I'd like to open up a discussion ↗ on what should be included within the Cyrillic script navbox, looking for input.

Thanks, Underswamp (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation



Hi Janhrach. I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here ↗. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. <span style="color:darkorchid">Clovermoss</span><span style="color:green">🍀</span> (talk) 00:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, can I suggest you add {{no ping|Jordan dot}} to the SPI. Check their dodgy edit summaries, moves of other new accounts' drafts to main space, and recreation of Ralph Spencer Steenblik ↗ at Ralph Spencer steenblik ↗. Thanks. 2A02:C7C:4D0A:A500:18B3:9D6A:5198:86B5 ↗ (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
:You've been offline for a while (having a lovely holiday I hope), so I've taken it to the SPI myself. Any comments and additions there will be welcome, thanks. 2A02:C7C:4D0A:A500:18B3:9D6A:5198:86B5 ↗ (talk) 11:53, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Their behavior is indeed suspicious, but I am no expert on this particular sockfarm. Janhrach (talk) 14:58, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

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Zzz plant (talk) 17:06, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

You acted in good faith



Things changed relatively recently. Twinkle no longer has a tick box to notify the editors under discussion. 🇵🇸&zwj;🇺🇦&nbsp;<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>&nbsp;<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>&nbsp;🇺🇦&zwj;🇵🇸 19:54, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:Yes, I eventually found out that the edit adding this to WP:SPI ↗ was made last October. A small note: I don't use Twinkle to make SPI filings; I use the form at WP:SPI ↗. I always notified the suspected socks by manually substing {{tl|uw-socksuspect}}. Janhrach (talk) 14:33, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:Oh, I see your comment to the discussion. Don't worry, I was not angry with you at all. Maybe I was a bit stern, but that was probably because I was quite overwhelmed (both with this thing involving drafts, and with other things that I saw on my watchlist when I logged in). Actually, I was pleasantly surprised that I got quick response to my request. Janhrach (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2026 (UTC) {{small|clarified 16:14, 20 January 2026 (UTC)}}

Speedy deletion ↗ nomination of :Ayurvedacharya Prakash Tata ↗


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Bobby Cohn&nbsp;🍁 (talk) 16:17, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

Removal of ContentAsia Awards - clarification



Hi! I saw that you moved my article back to the draft namespace <small>(is that the right terminology?)</small>. I now know that this occurred because the reviewer was banned for being a sockpuppet.

But it would have been much easier to understand, and I would have felt better, had you placed a template on my talk page... <small>Like the WP:DRAFTIFY#Moving articles to draftspace ↗ says to do, I might add :(</small>

Something like this might have lessened my disappointment:

{{tq|25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. A page you recently created, :ContentAsia Awards ↗, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines ↗ for new pages, so it has been moved to Draft:ContentAsia Awards ↗ where you can continue to work on it. Please consider using the Article Wizard ↗ or the Articles for Creation ↗ procedure. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read "Your first article ↗". You may also want to read our introduction page ↗ to learn more about contributing. Please note that the article was been removed due to an issue in the reviewal process. Please continue to improve it so that it can be accepted as an article. <!-- Template:uw-articletodraft --> }}

It was just a bit rough for me to wake up and find the article and all of the redirects gone with no explanation anywhere

Thanks, <span style="color: #3b3b3b">'''JordyGrey'''</span> <sub><span style="color: #3b3b3b">talk</span></sub> 01:15, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:I am sorry, I will remember this.
:However, it would be misleading if I said that the article {{tq| may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new pages}}, which is not the reason why I made the revert; I made the revert because of WP:BMB ↗. Additionally, the editor who moved the page into mainspace was ''not'' a reviewer in the Wikipedia sense ↗. In fact, they write paid 'articles' for their clients, and it is likely that they didn't even look at the drafts they 'reviewed'; they probably moved them to mainspace to hide the fact that they also moved paid promo into mainspace.
:Also, the AfC process is not mandatory for you, because you are autoconfirmed ↗. If you want a proper review, you can wait. If not, you can move the draft back into mainspace right now.
:Regarding the redirects, you can see their list in your logs ↗. Creating redirects for all possible letter-case combinations is unnecessary. When the redirect ContentAsia ↗ exists, and you type "contentasia" into the search box and press enter, you will be redirected to the correct place. There is no need to create all possible combinations. Some editors even consider that harmful (see WP:COSTLY ↗, incl. WP:PANDORA ↗).
:—Janhrach (talk) 15:32, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{small|1=I forgot to ping you, {{u|JordyGrey}}. Janhrach (talk) 15:52, 26 February 2026 (UTC)}}
::Thanks for the response! Also, you've just saved me about 2 hours, if I don't need to create different letter-case combinations!
::Have a nice day, <span style="color: #3b3b3b">'''JordyGrey'''</span> <sub><span style="color: #3b3b3b">talk</span></sub> 22:12, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:El Hamiz - Improvements and sourcing updates



Hi Janhrach, thanks for the feedback on the Draft:El Hamiz ↗. I’ve gone through and made some significant updates based on your comments.

I replaced the sources with independent secondary ones and added citations to the statements that were missing them. I also re-checked the tone to ensure it stays neutral and encyclopedic.

Just a quick note on the sources: finding stable digital archives for Algerian regional topics can be a bit of a challenge since many news domains have changed over the years, but I've tracked down the most reliable ones available now.

As a new contributor, I’m trying to stick closely to the guidelines. Could you take another look? If it looks good now, I’d appreciate it being moved back to mainspace. Thanks for your help.

Best regards,

<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>

JHONATHAN24512 (talk) 04:25, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{ping|JHONATHAN24512}} I don't know much about the topic, and I didn't review the sources' content, but from a superficial look, the sources should be sufficient. I made some WP:MOS ↗ fixes. Most importantly, the bold font ↗ should be used ''very'' sparingly, only in certain specific cases (such as the first occurence of the subject's name(s) in the lead), and it is ''not'' to be used for emphasis.
:I should also mention that I'm not an AfC reviewer ↗, so I can't approve the draft. The editor who previously moved it into mainspace wasn't a reviewer either; they are now blocked because it is likely that they were evading a previous block and edited for pay. I reverted their moves because of WP:BMB ↗.
:Another thing is that certain parts of the draft read like they are LLM-generated, such as those bulleted lists. I ''really'' do not want to judge whether this is really the case, or if my intuition is wrong, because I do not trust my subjective judgement on this issue. Even if you don't use AI to write articles, you should know that using LLMs for article generation is extremely controversial on English Wikipedia.
:The tone of the article is definitely much better than previously, and indeed there is less unreferenced text.
:One more minor thing: the New Silk Road ↗ link in Draft:El Hamiz#Connection to the global trade network ↗ points to a disambiguation page. It should instead point to an article (Belt and Road Initiative ↗, maybe).
:—Janhrach (talk) 17:49, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Partial revert on the Wikipedia logo page



So the day after I edited the Wikipedia logo article, you did a partial revert. I checked the page that you put a link to, and it made sense. But, it still doesn’t because an Inuktitut Wikipedia exists, and letters short u (ᐅ) and o (ᐅ), are the same, but have different sounds. I checked the link, and I understood it a little bit. Can you tell me more about the partial revert? AltoHampton (talk) 15:16, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

:I know next-to-nothing about this topic, and I should have researched more before making the revert. The article ''Inuktitut syllabary ↗'' says that {{tq|Inuktitut is one variation on Canadian Aboriginal syllabics, and can be digitally encoded using the Unicode standard. The Unicode block for Inuktitut characters is called Unified Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics.}} So Inuktitut does use this character.
::
:''Canadian Aboriginal syllabics ↗'' says that this character is o. ''Inuktitut syllabics ↗'' says this character is u. So maybe its sound value depends on the language.
::
:Is any solid evidence that the character is indended to represent Inuktitut specifically? I see that the file used in the official table is :File:Inuktitut u.svg ↗, so I will self-revert, but I am still curious if any better source could be found. Janhrach (talk) 15:35, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::For all I know, the character is meant to represent Inuktitut specifically, because an Inuktitut Wikipedia exists, according to the lists of all Wikipedias. However, another Wikipedia used Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics ↗, called the Cree Wikipedia, but has been taken down, or closed. So I can confirm that the letter is short u (ᐅ) because it represents the Inuktitut Wikipedia. However, when the logo was made, the Cree Wikipedia existed, until just last year, leaving the Inuktitut Wikipedia the only one to use a variation of Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics. When you reverted the edit, you probably thought about the character representing the former Cree Wikipedia or another Wikipedia using Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics. I don’t really have a lot of evidence to support it, but I hope this will be solved. AltoHampton (talk) 19:44, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Response to your response



first the section I commented in was fairly obscure and by the time I commented in it it was settled so essentially no one would have read it

Second you first comment wasn't linked so is NOT Wikipedia policy and I Already explained myself using the example of climate change per the CDN material, and PROVED set theory is wrong. So both are not fringe but rather true. I see NO evidence at all that anti set theory infinity is at all fringe, some systems of math and some math people groups are anti your version of infinity, which also is not at all any of the types of infinity I see in mainstream math such as measure theory or axiomatic idealization of an adequatly large finite number thus a finite number (so larger wouldn't change results) or and especially it's reciprocal. And Muchinghams~ work transfinity~ had a whole chapter documenting disbelief by mathematicians. It's as per the example climate change Only fringe in your imagination. Obviously it is per policy to make a comment that for example the mainstream view climate change is wrong since that's obviously an editorial comment! Plus in that case their right, proven, by science as CDN presents. And as I proved is the case with set theory .

Your only imagine I'm advocating 'original material' in mainspace. It's slowed everywhere else. AND the number one policy of Wikipedia is ignore All rules. For example you people have two cardinality articles both on set theory cardinality which of course should be separated from the mainstream meaning of the word, in genesis 1 Hebrew the days are numbered by a cardinal then 6 ordinal numbers for example. The articles are Cardinality and cardinal number. Contrary to policy you have set theory overly verbose, allowed under ignore all views.

If you read my comment I was advocating for keeping and fixing the second talk page to isolate the comments by those stupid people advocating set theory is wrong, and I proved it's wrong.

Incidentally you people are wrong about the power set of the set of all (set theory) sets being proven larger so the set of all sets cannot contain itself so must not be a set. Look at the cardinal size. AlephAleph0. So the larger size would be Aleph(Aleph0+1). But you claim Aleph0+1=Aleph0. Ok, so check out the proof. Match the set of all sets to its power set, itself. The diagonal set is the set of all sets that contain themselves, the set derived from it, it's NOT, is the set of all sets that don't contain themselves. Since that set doesn't exist it is not nor should be in the set of all sets.

Common sense indicates the set of all sets contains itself and is it's own power set and that that is no more a contradiction than a much smaller set the set of naturals being one larger than itself. So set theorists and Wikipedia are wrong, wording things as though their mathematical fact rather than their belief. Likewise for certain ordinality matters regarding ordinal exponentiation. Victor Kosko (talk) 18:28, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!



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|style="border-top: 1px solid gray;" | u have made some tough progress, and i appreciate it, so i will give u this barnstar. <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 05:22, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
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Amharic



so apparently you reverted my edit (again), but this time i need to tell u something. amharic and ge'ez are two different scripts, not the same script. most people use the term “ge’ez” for the script, but just like the inuktitut and hangul characters, the amharic character represents the amharic wikipedia. there are other wikipedias that use the ge’ez script, but amharic slightly differs from ge’ez. i have evidence below. thumb|the letter ው is marked as amharic, not ge’ez.|200px ↗ thumb|left|you are not wrong, this character does come from ge’ez, but however, the foundation says that this character is from amharic. (meta-wiki says so too)|200px ↗ <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 03:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

:{{tq|amharic and ge'ez are two different scripts, not the same script}} – Do you have any source? I mean a general source, not one specific to the logo.
:{{tq|amharic slightly differs from ge’ez}} – The Amharic ''language'' ↗ differs from the Geʽez ''language'' ↗. The Geʽez language is extinct. The Amharic ''language'' uses the Geʽez ''script'' ↗; it is the largest language that uses this script. Therefore, it is natural that the character ው (from the Geʽez ''script'') represents the Amharic language.
:So, the question is, rather: Should the table say which ''script'' is the given character from, or should it say which ''language'' does the given character represent? If you choose the latter option, then you have to know which languages are represented by multilingual letters like W, V, И.
:—Janhrach (talk) 15:30, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::well, according to the alphasyllabary section on the article about amharic, it states, "It is derived from a modification of the Geʽez script ↗." the article about the ge’ez script says so too. other languages in ethiopia and eritrea use the ge’ez script, but they modify it, for example, amharic. the amharic abugida does differ from the ge’ez script according to a source on the amharic article, which states, “Amharic uses a script which originated from the Ge'ez alphabet.” <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 15:40, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::and yes, the table should say what script it’s from. <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 15:40, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::::and to make matters worse, argoba, tigrinya, tigre, ge’ez, guragenya, siltee, and others use their own version of the ge’ez script. you probably not heard of the amharic script, but as i did research, source number 16 on the amharic article says the amharic script derived from the ge’ez script. <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 15:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Okay, I am willing to assume that Amharic uses a separate script. But why do you think that the letter ው is specifically from the Amharic script? Don't other Geʽez-descended scripts use it, too? (When WMF says the letter is from "Amharic", they may mean that it is intended to represent the Amharic language.) Janhrach (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::yeah, but the other ge’ez descendants use it differently, for example, tigrinya, which uses ዊ in the tigrinya wikipedia logo, compared to that of amharic, which uses ው.
::::::200px ↗
::::::200px ↗
::::::keep in mind that the foundation uses the first letter in the word, “wikipedia” in a selection of scripts. letter ው is from the ge’ez descendant amharic, (and was chosen to be on the globe) and letter ዊ is from the ge’ez descendent tigrinya, which is different from amharic, and both are different from ge’ez. <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 20:59, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::{{tq|letter ው is from the ge’ez descendant amharic, (and was chosen to be on the globe) and letter ዊ is from the ge’ez descendent tigrinya}} – I think both are used in both languages. For example Amharic Wikipedia's main page ↗ contains ው 66 times and ዊ 7 times, while Tigrinya Wikipedia's main page ↗ contains ው 16 times and ዊ 37 times. Janhrach (talk) 18:18, 4 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::both characters are used in both languages, but they are used inconsistently, like ው being in place of ዊ sometimes in amharic, but i can assure you that there is an amharic script, just not many people know about it, and it’s really similar to the ge‘ez script, just with a few differences. <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 04:42, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::{{tq|both characters are used in both languages}} – Then why do you want to label the character as "Amharic"?
:::::::::Do you disagree with labelling it as "Ge’ez"? Then maybe it could be labelled as "Ethiopic", considering that its Unicode name is {{mono|ETHIOPIC SYLLABLE WE}}, and it is encoded in the {{mono|Ethiopic}} Unicode block ↗.
:::::::::—Janhrach (talk) 14:24, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{tq|Then maybe it could be labelled as "Ethiopic"}} sure thing, but don’t we need to be specific?
::::::::::{{tq|Then why do you want to label the character as "Amharic"?}} there is an amharic script, but in the discussion video about the new wikipedia logo in the foundation’s offices, amharic was classified as “one of the Ethiopic languages” which it is, but there is a seperate script. have you not seen the infobox of the ge’ez script article? under child systems, amharic was one of them. <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 03:59, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|sure thing, but don’t we need to be specific?}} – I don't think we should be; the letter is used in multiple scripts/languages. I don't think discussing if Amharic has a separate script would be productive – regardless of the answer, the letter is not just an Amharic letter. Janhrach (talk) 19:16, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::alright then, ethiopic it is. i’ll do it myself. <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 23:28, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::nvm. u did it anyways. (also, ethiopic was my second choice, hence the foundation classified the ge’ez character as ethiopic) <span style= "color:#cc2a2b; text-decoration:inherit">'''Alto'''</span>Hampton (talk here) (le contrebutions ↗) 23:30, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

The_Daylight_Award


please kindly assist me , i need help to complete the nomination process step 3 and 4 of wikipedia article for deletion process , please is urgent now Samat lib (talk) 14:32, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

:for the record, this user has tried to contact me for the same purpose. the entire process is broken, they're not communicative enough about it, and step 4 of what they're trying to do doesn't exist. it may be better to see the history of the daylight award ↗ and check their and my own talk page '''<span style="color:#338665">consarn</span> ↗ <sub><span style="color:#439272">(talk beige)</span> ↗ <span style="color:#439272">(count ribs)</span> ↗</sub>''' 14:37, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DatabaseArticle improvement suggestion



Hello @Janhrach ↗. Your article is a great start! To make it even better, consider adding more references to reliable sources. This helps verify the information and improves the article's quality. Check out this Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources ↗ for more details. &#126;2026-34622-21 ↗ (talk) 09:29, 12 June 2026 (UTC)