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Bludgeoning at Afd

You voted ↗ "Keep" at the Emily Willoughby Afd ↗; that's fine. There is a whole soup of things going on at the Afd, besides just policy-based voting ↗. I understand your views of what is happening there, and why the Afd was raised in the first place; you've made it perfectly clear (over and over): There is ignorant and misguided demonization ↗ of a respected behavior geneticist going on, the online attacks are "simple character assassination ↗", and "the *only* reason she is being considered for deletion is political ↗". I get it. You don't trust the reasons the Afd was raised in the first place: "the 'notability' squib is mere misdirection ↗"; and "[[Special:Diff/1105767889|this [Afd] is a witch hunt, pure and simple]]". You've quoted with amusement ↗ a post by a commenter at an online blog about "anti-woke racists" on Twitter who "then migrate over to wikipedia and argue for deleting her page there". Did I fairly represent your feelings about the Afd and what's going on behind it? I hope so.

However, none of that is relevant to an Afd, which seeks to bring in discussion about Notability ↗ and other policy-based criteria of the deletion policy ↗ to bear on the question.
Others have tried to bring you back in line ↗ with policy-based considerations such as "comment on content not on contributors", or "Do not attack other editors with whom you disagree by calling them 'Lynch mobs'{{hairspace}}" and you indicated you "understand" but effectively derailed the policy advice by pointing out that others agreed with you ↗: "a fair number of others have noted that the attack on Emily is politically motivated", not addressing the NPA concern at all. You made a classic WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS ↗ argument that "there are thousands of Wikipedia articles on subjects less notable than Ms. Willoughby ↗". Rather than arguing established notability policy, you provided your own definition for notability criteria ↗ that ought to apply in this case ("It's a simple fact that Emily was co-author of an important book, and now has published a scientific paper"), but an Afd is not the right venue to argue a new standard for WP:Notability ↗ policy, and I'm sure you know that.

In a long comment ↗, you started off with references to attacks on a blog editor, speculated on what the connection might have been between a Twitter kerfuffle online and the creation of the Afd at Wikipedia, speculated on the political motivation of Afd participants and "pretending it's procedurally based", speculated about coincidences of timing; assertion that "woke cancellation" is going on at Wikipedia, because "the idea that there is no political maneuvering... is untenable"; and culture war references to wildly o/t issues such as "libelously accusing a bakery of racism" and "renaming birds"; followed by a long section on "Woke anti-semitism" and how a promise to create an article after an Afd never happened; all of which goes to prove your theory about how "political pressure on Wikipedia" exists, and how " it's very difficult to believe... that that is not the case with Emily Willoughby", not one iota of which is remotely a policy-based reason either to keep, or to delete, the article under discussion, but just a fantastic digression into the rabbit holes which populate online social media and (true, or not) haven't the slightest thing to do with the Afd question, which depends on Wikipedia:Deletion policy ↗. You later doubled down with the comment ↗ that "I can multiply the bakery and bird examples ad infinitum." Please, don't do that.

There are so many violations of behavioral guidelines ↗ here, that it's hard to know where to begin. Maybe with WP:AFD ↗: please don't make accusations about why other Wikipedia editors are taking part in an Afd, as you did numerous times. When others' views don't agree with yours, please do not attack them ↗, or cast aspersions on their motivation ↗, or make other accusations (accurate, or not). In your arguments favoring keeping the article, please don't make empty claims about why the article should be kept ↗ that have nothing to do either with Wikipedia WP:Notability ↗ or simply represent your opinion. Please stick to Wikipedia:Deletion policy ↗, and avoid I-just-like-it arguments ↗. Your views about the article (and about other editors, and about online shenanigans) are more than clear; please do not bludgeon the Afd with repetitive comments ↗, it's starting to become disruptive ↗. It's not necessary to respond to every comment ↗; everybody knows your position now. It's particularly unnecessary when you open your comment accusing editors with "becoming increasingly vitriolic", whether or not it is true. (I've examined their comments, and it happens not to be true.) It was that last comment of yours that finally persuaded me that I needed to say something here, because your behavior at the Afd was getting increasingly out of hand ↗.

If you want to talk about your ideas about the interaction between online media and Wikipedia, whether it's canvassing ↗ at Afd's or something else, there are forums for that. If you want to talk about the WP:Notability ↗ policy, and how it should be more in line with your views of Notability, the forum is WT:Notability ↗. If you want to advise another editor about a possible transgression of some behavioral guideline ↗, the starting point is their Talk page (please bring diffs ↗). Please do not raise any of these issues at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion ↗, it's not an appropriate use of the page. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

:Sure thing. No problem. Markjoseph125 (talk) 01:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Question re: a comment

Hello Mark, I've been pondering a comment you made about me in an AfD stating that I was "vitriolic"https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Emily_Willoughby_(2nd_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=1106243032 ↗. I've gone through my contributions several times over the past 24 hours to see if I said something vitriolic (a very strong word according to the dictionary definition) and I do not think I expressed anything uncivil. I did politely warn you a couple times to focus on contents not contributors, to assume good faith, and to stop with the personal attacks, but that is not vitriolic or uncivil behavior. I am sorry if those warnings offended you. I've been working at AfD in good faith for years, especially in the area of Visual Arts, nor do I use Twitter and was completely unaware of any controversy there. I have a record of creating many articles on women artists, and clearly state on my user page that women in the arts and sciences is a long-time interest. I hope we can have a better understanding of one another moving forward. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 23:12, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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