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Messi updates

Hello. Thought I'd mention that I restored the name of the clubs that Messi scored during that 2009 season, see my edit here ↗. I do agree with the trimming promo language but thought it would be beneficial to include the clubs' names. Funny enough, I went through the article this afternoon after seeing Getafe's goal on YouTube (for the 100th+ time) and wanted to see if it was mentioned in the article because I thought I had read about it before and was curious if it had an article. Then I saw your edit. Hope the update I made was okay. Cheers, Morogris (<big>'''✉'''</big> • '''✎''' ↗) 09:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you for this kind and thoughtful note. That's a very reasonable edit. In light of what you shared, I added the significance of the goal to the Career of Lionel Messi ↗ page here ↗.
:I wish everyone on Wikipedia was as courteous as you. 😊 OrdinaryOtter (talk) 13:59, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Hello

Hi I saw your work on other film pages and was wondering if you could take a look at the interstellar talk page and give your opinion if the sources should stay or not. 34jomes (talk) 15:37, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hey there, I appreciate you reaching out. However, I'm going to be honest and say that I don't have the patience or stamina for that type of discussion right now. You might try asking Darkwarriorblake or DAP389 for their input—they are both experienced editors who have worked on high-quality film and media articles. Best of luck—it looks like an important discussion for the Interstellar page to be having. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Harry Potter redirects

Hi,

Please bear in mind that a major reorganisation of a list page (e.g. "List of Harry Potter characters ↗") will result in many broken redirects. I'm not a Potter fan, but I've fixed a number of links to "{{noredirect|The Fat Lady}}" on related pages that now point to the wrong target ↗.

Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello! Thanks for the message. The Fat Lady had to be deleted from the list, because she's a minor character who is hardly a character at all—she's a talking painting.
:I'm sorry that my deletion of her entry caused an inconvenience. Are there things I could have done differently during the deletion and redirection process that would have made things easier for you and others? Please let me know.☺️ OrdinaryOtter (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::No need to apologise. It's good practice to check the list of pages that link to a particular redirect ↗ if you intend to retarget it, and take care of any problems as part of the retargeting process. In the case of the "List of Harry Potter characters ↗" page, there are now many incoming links ↗ that point to sections that no longer exist. These could be dealt with by retargeting those redirects to the relevant alphabetical sections, or using embedded anchors on the target page. I've updated a few that I've encountered on other pages, but I'm not familiar enough with the subject to take on the whole job.
::Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 19:08, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the advice. Of the list you provided ↗, how do I determine which links go to a section that doesn't exist? I've been randomly clicking on some, and finding they still go where they are meant to. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 19:24, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Some use anchors in the list page, which means that the redirects still work as intended. The page currently has 73 anchors. The only way to determine which of the incoming links no longer work correctly is to click on each of them in turn! So, for example, "Bill Weasley ↗" goes straight to the character in the list because he has an anchor like this: <code><nowiki>{{Visible anchor|Bill Weasley|text=Weasley, Bill}}</nowiki></code>. "Charlie Weasley ↗" and "Arthur Weasley ↗" don't, because they don't have anchors. You could give them anchors, or just retarget their redirects to List of Harry Potter characters#W ↗. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 20:02, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Got it, thanks! OrdinaryOtter (talk) 20:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What should we do with characters like Parvati Patil ↗, who, like the Fat Lady, were removed from the characters list for being too minor? OrdinaryOtter (talk) 20:12, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::You'll have to work that out! My instinct would be to leave that one for now. It's possible someone may want to create an entry for that character in the future, and there are several pages ↗ that use that redirect at present. It's doing no harm as it is. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 20:16, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

OrdinaryOtter can make stuff make since

OrdinaryOtter is very helpful because he's able to make things that don't make any since and he turns it into very common since.
Thank You -6-7 Kid Common sense ↗ 6-7 Kid remix (talk) 17:17, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

Thank You!!

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Wizarding World "Last Appearance" Removal

Hey there,

Let me know if you want any help with removing this from the character info boxes. Offering a hand as it was the disagreement between us that resulted in the back and forth.

Cheers, B.Davis2003 (talk) 10:12, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

:Hey, thanks for the offer!
:Sure, we can tackle it together. I did a couple already, but we can split the rest in half. If you go to the HP infobox at the bottom of each HP page (it is usually collapsed), there is a list of all the characters. Why don't you start at the beginning, with Harry, and do Harry through McGonagall, and then I'll do the ones after, Draco through Umbridge? I did Luna and Zabini already. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 16:02, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

::No worries, I've removed these from the character pages HP - MM! B.Davis2003 (talk) 09:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Discussion at Talk:Harry Potter (character) ↗

Hey, the RFC regarding the image is about to close. As your post on the talk page was the one that initiated the discussion, wouldn't you like to participate? QuestFour (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder. I don't have any new arguments to add, but I posted a comment with my vote. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

Carli Lloyd Article

Hello, I saw you were looking for the article about Carli Lloyd in Talk:Philadelphia ↗. I believe I have found the correct one on Newspapers.com. I'm not entirely sure how to best share it with you, so I just had it transcribed to plain text and have it below. Note, this was actually from the ''Philadelphia Inquirer'', NOT the ''Daily News'' as you had suspected:

'''Carli Lloyd: A Bear Necessity'''

By Marc Narducci

INQUIRER SUBURBAN STAFF

DELRAN — Carli Lloyd is almost a contradiction on the soccer field. After all, how can someone with such a soft, deft touch on the ball unleash such a powerful shot? And how can someone who is a proven scorer say she prefers to pass the ball?

There is, however, one thing about Lloyd that is hard to contradict: She is among the most complete players in South Jersey, and perhaps the most complete. Lloyd, a 5-foot-5 junior midfielder for Delran, is a master distributor. She also can score, and this year, that should happen more frequently on a young but talented Bears team. Her ball control is impeccable, and when needed, she can rifle a shot that would blister the hands of the best goalie.

At Delran, which has produced such prolific players as Peter Vermes, a former member of the U.S. World Cup team, and three-time high school all-American Boo Schubert, the mantle has been passed to Lloyd. Don’t think she will be overwhelmed by being Schubert’s successor. After all, Lloyd scored a goal against a World Cup team this summer. So replacing a three-time all-American who is now a freshman at the University of Florida isn’t a burden.

"I loved playing with Boo, and she taught me a lot," Lloyd said. "But she was more of a scoring type, and I’m there to distribute the ball. I know people will compare us because we went to the same school, but our games are different."

Lloyd, though, is receiving the same type of national attention from coaches that Schubert did when she was at Delran. This summer, Lloyd played for the New Jersey Splash, who featured mostly women who were college age and older. Lloyd was the only high school junior on the team. The Splash played Mexico’s World Cup team in an exhibition. It was considered a World Cup tune-up for the Mexicans and turned out

to be a showcase for Lloyd. She scored her team’s lone goal in a 3-1 defeat at Memorial Stadium in New Brunswick.

"It was such a thrill to sit in the stands and see her score a goal against the World Cup team," said Pam Lloyd, her mother. "Just to see her be able to stand up against that type of talent and not be intimidated was something, but to get a goal was unbelievable."

Pam Lloyd is accustomed to marveling at her daughter’s soccer accomplishments. Carli began playing at age 5, and Pam was one of the coaches in a Delran instructional program. She watched her daughter make an immediate impact. "At that age, it was coed, and Carli was hanging with the boys," Pam Lloyd recalled, laughing. "She always loved it and showed a lot of ability from an early age, but she also has always worked hard."

In addition to the goal against the World Cup team, Lloyd had other memorable moments this summer. She and Lenape’s Katie Ludwig were the only players from the seven-county South Jersey area selected to the Region 1 under-17 team, which consisted of the top players from Maine to Virginia. Lloyd went to Portland, Ore., to train for a week with the Region 1 team and then was selected to try out for the under-18 national team in November in Arizona.

"When I first made the regional team, it didn’t hit me until after I came home from Oregon," Lloyd said. "Over the previous two years, I was nervous trying to make it. This year, I finally set my heart to making the team. Now I’ll just give it my best to try to make the national team, because I realize everybody is in the same position."

Closer to home, Lloyd is intent on helping Delran contend in the difficult Burlington County League Liberty Division. The Bears are off to a 2-0 start. They opened with a 1-0 victory over Cinnaminson as Lloyd assisted on the goal. She scored two goals in a 4-0 win against Northern Burlington. Lloyd is one of the team captains, along with the Bears’ only two seniors, sweeper Ann Ryan and goalie Betsy Kennedy. "She can do anything on the field," coach Rudi Klobach said. "If you need her to score, she will. She sees the field so well and is a great passer, and she comes back and plays defense."

The only thing Lloyd can’t do is escape the comparisons with Schubert. "I have faced both of their shots, and she shoots as hard as Boo did," Kennedy said. "She doesn’t shoot as much, but I’ll tell you, I don’t enjoy facing her shots in practice. And her passing ability is unbelievable. She is one of the most unselfish players you’ll ever see."

Klobach has asked Lloyd to be a little more selfish and go for the goal more. "Her ball skills are phenomenal," he said. "There’s no doubt that she has the moves as a junior that Boo showed as a senior."

Everything seems to be happening so quickly for Lloyd, but just as she does on the soccer field, she is taking her time in surveying the situation. She would like to play Division I soccer, which appears to be a realistic goal. The letters are arriving regularly from Division I schools, and if Lloyd continues to make plays on the field — in all her levels of competition — more are sure to follow. Red0ctober22 (talk) 01:27, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

:That's so kind of you, thanks! Do you know if it's archived at the Internet Archive? The Carli Lloyd article had a link that supposedly went to such an archived page, but it was broken. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 01:31, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome! I went back on the article revision history and found this https://web.archive.org/web/20131029193108/http://articles.philly.com/1999-09-17/sports/25488701_1_carli-lloyd-mexico-s-world-cup-schubert ↗, which worked for me. Red0ctober22 (talk) 04:50, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Oops, I guess I missed that. Thanks again. 😊 OrdinaryOtter (talk) 05:04, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Matrix

Hi, I can see you're making a lot of edits to The Matrix. FYI, I am working on an improved version of the article here which reorganizes a lot (including a casting section) and is trying to use higher quality and more verified texts. I'm only letting you know since when I complete that (which might not be imminent, to be fair, it'd be copied into the main space over the existing text. I'm just trying to finish Scream and Se7en first. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:16, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know! Do you have a rough idea of when you might be ready to publish your version? If it's more than a year away, I might continue improving the page for the interim. Otherwise, I may opt to work on other pages.🙂 OrdinaryOtter (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
::It won't be more than a year. I'm happy for you to take a look at mine if you want, it's mostly me gathering as much information as possible together and then trying to rewrite it, but the main body, particularly production and/or legacy, would benefit from double-checking sources and copyediting. I've done a lot, but then I moved on to finishing Batman Returns, and wanted to get Scream and Se7en done because they're both so close to finished. There's no effects section right now as there's enough content to break it off like Special effects of Batman Returns ↗, and my other effects article. Themes, similarly, I might break off into a themes of the Matrix ↗-style article since there's a lot of content. The Matrix article is not miles off done, to be fair, I mostly need to copyedit, tidy up, complete refs, and get the effects section done as a minimum. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:22, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the invitation to look at your draft. If I have copyediting suggestions, would you like me to edit the page, or offer them in another way?
:::I'm glad that Wikipedia will be getting a high-quality Matrix article! OrdinaryOtter (talk) 16:49, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
::::You can edit the page. It's still pretty raw so I'm not precious about it, though I think the Box Office/Marketing/Performance ANalysis sections are pretty solid, but I'm open to input. Anything with a ref like "<" ref name= "/>" should be sourced and checked, anything in the body text that is a URL is old stuff from the article as it is now, and needs checking and/or replacing with higher quality ones. As I said, I think it's mostly done from an info gathering phase and I've culled all the bad references, but it's been a few months since I last worked on it so I forget exactly where I was up to. I think the last things I did were Legacy and being pretty thorough on the casting/filming side. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

File:Rey with lightsaber.jpeg listed for discussion

30px|left ↗ A file that you uploaded or altered, :File:Rey with lightsaber.jpeg ↗, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion ↗. Please see the '''discussion''' ↗ to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 04:37, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

NBA career summary

Hello @OrdinaryOtter, looking at your work in trimming the LeBron James ↗ article I'd like to ask how a concise, GA-level career summary would look for the Scottie Barnes ↗ article. I've included his average stats and trends for each season and the impact of major shifts to the roster. As a Raptors fan I believe I may be engaging in WP:CRUFT ↗ with some of the individual stat lines included although I tried to include only those which note career-highs and achievements or franchise/league records. Obviously Barnes' career isn't as storied as LeBron's so it's likely going to look much shorter, but how short is what I'm not sure of. Hsnkn (talk) 05:55, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks for the message! I am mostly on a break from Wikipedia, only logging in occasionally. Once I am back to editing on a daily basis, I'll take a close look at the page and address your query.
:For now, I made a few minor edits and removed some text that I would consider excessive detail.
:Glad to see you're putting in so much work on the page. Bravo! OrdinaryOtter (talk) 04:47, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Selective removal of comments

I removed the comment by the IP talking about people celebrating, which has nothing to do with article improvement. Many people are not celebrating and this has been covered by reliable sources. Viriditas (talk) 04:20, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

:My mistake for not also removing the IP comment. My apologies. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 04:29, 4 July 2026 (UTC)