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Hi Raúl,

I've taken a look at the articles you mentioned and the revversions by you and the other user are multiple so this turns a bit confusing for an editor who has not been involved in the discussion since it started.

Nevertheless Svarter is right when he states that the RSSSF (see page ↗) is a reliable and good source, but it is updated up to 2008 so there are a lot of years missing. The FIFA source ↗ indicates 42 wins per side as of Nov 2023. The same result than Promiedos ↗, another good site about statistics. The website Goal.com ↗ also indicates a 42-42 tie on wins.

As a result, I'm going to edit the page based on the sources cited. If Svartner reverts my edit, I'll open a discussion at his talk page and, if he does not change his attitude, I won't have any other option than reporting the case at :Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ↗. If I have to do it, I'll notify you asking for your feedback.

Best regards, Fma12 (talk) 10:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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:RE: Your message on my page. You are both edit warring. Look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution ↗. I have no interest in this topic. --Onorem (talk) 21:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
:A note for both you and {{ping|Rahio1234}}, Look at WP:VANDAL ↗ and stop saying other users involved in a content dispute are vandalizing. --Onorem (talk) 21:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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{{unblock reviewed|reason=I only tried to help and correct mistakes of those articles, that were no neutral, with poor sources, clarely in favour of Brazil. '''The one who started to remove well referenced texts I put was Svartner''', not me. '''Look, first in March:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&diff=prev&oldid=1216068304 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&diff=prev&oldid=1216087822 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&diff=prev&oldid=1216090148 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazil_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1215829341 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazil_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1216068415 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazil_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1216087625 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazil_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1216090367 ↗. '''Then, he started again in May (with the talk page with the issue I´ve already started)''': https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&diff=prev&oldid=1222064043 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&diff=prev&oldid=1222795920 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&diff=prev&oldid=1222797415 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&diff=prev&oldid=1222833002 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazil_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1222796021 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazil_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1222797341 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazil_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1222833065 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1222064591 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1222796165 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1222797295 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina_national_football_team_records_and_statistics&diff=prev&oldid=1222833101 ↗. '''I think he clarely deserves a block too'''. '''I gave lot of neutral sources (7), and the only thing it appeared to matter was an accusation agaist me of WP:SPA ↗, and the violation of the three-revert rule ↗ (that he also did)''', but '''nobody appeared to participate in those articles and no one tried to solve the dispute in the discussion'''. '''It was me who satrted the discussion in the talk page''' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry#Count_of_matches ↗ to reach an agreement... '''I gave lot of sources (7), and no one went right to the ponit of the discussion to solve it: the amount of games won by Argentina and by Brazil in the history of the rivalry, and the sources'''. With the days, as I saw that the other user was very capricious and as nobody participated in the talk page, '''I had to post in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ↗ informing the situation. But, '''again, nobody did anything'''. Instead of participate or trying to solve the dispute, many users started to accusate me...''' So the final result is that I´m blocked because of a "technicality", but blocked at last... I accept to be part of an edit warring ↗, and I apologise. But please try to understand I didn´t have responses of anybody to participate in the dispute, and the other user Svartner was clarely in the edit war too, and tried to impose his only point of view in favour of Brazil, disrespecting the serious sources I gave. '''He started this edit war, he also violated three-revert rule ↗ as I demonstrate above. It would be fair for him to be blocked too''' . PD: Oh, I almost forgot: Onorem please, if you read this and you are fair you should report Svartner too, as you did with me https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=1222944901 ↗. Thanks. Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 23:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)|decline=You are trying to justify your edit warring, not tell why it was wrong. 331dot (talk) 07:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)}}

:They didn't revert again after being warned. You did. That's why you were reported. I assume the administrator who reviewed my report looked at the history. --Onorem (talk) 23:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

::Ok, but it´s not necessary to be reported to be blocked for violateing one rule. And he violated one too, clarely: in march and in may, as I demonstrated in this post avobe. Ok, I will wait this week and I will return with more knowledge about the functioning of the english wikipedia. I will continue with the spanish one a few minutes a day, where I don´t have problems. Happily I can live without this wikipedia. --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 00:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:::331dot: Ok. I only wanted to say that the block was partial and in a point unfair because the edit war was started by Svartner and no one participated to try to solve the principal issue: the sources and the frequent reversals the user Svartner did. If I was blocked, the other user (who started the edit war) deserved to be blocked too. I stop it now here, because I don´t want to aggravate this issue with another technicality typical of Wikipedia. End of this for me. --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 23:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

:::331dot and Onorem: please, '''see the user Svartner continues reverting now today in the article Argentina–Brazil football rivalry ↗, with no consensus, doing the same he did in march and in may''', trying to impose his own point of view. He did it today. Look https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&diff=prev&oldid=1223312863 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry&action=history ↗ Regards, --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 23:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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Why did you arbitrarily revert my edits in the honors in the articles of Uruguay and Argentina national football teams?
Panamerican Championship was not interconfederative competition because it was organized entirely by a single confederation (Panamerican Football Confederation), so it was confederative competition, check your information carefully.
I did not add wrong information and I did not make vandalistic edits, so that is misusing the rollback permission. JHLSirius (talk) 04:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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:Ahhh, ok ok. I didn´t know the way the inbox images must be ordered the images! I thougt that they were ordered according to the polls. Thanks for saying me! --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 18:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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De acuerdo a este edit ↗, veo que decidiste suprimir artículos de una navbox simplemente porque se te ocurre que por no tener todas las finales hechas artículos, las mismas no pueden agregarse.

De dónde sacaste ese criterio tan particular? Los artículos se van agregando conforme se van haciendo (o no), pero eso no significa que tengas que excluírlos. Son finales y están ubicadas donde corresponde. No hay mucho que agregar.

Por favor, te pido que hagas ediciones constructivas y no te dejes guiar (como hacés habitualmente) por el fanatismo ciego o rencores personales; si tenés algún problema con algún artículo o edición, usá mi talk page y hablame educadamente, y lo charlamos. Caso contrario, me veré obligado a dejar mi amabilidad de lado y reportarte, y no es el camino que quiero tomar. Fma12 (talk) 16:03, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
:Agregá todas. Quien sos para poner solo las que te parecen a vos, casualmente ligadas a tu club? Voy a dejarlas como están porque no están creados los artículos de las otras finales de los Nacionales.--Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 16:43, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
::Tu respuesta te define solo. ''Quien sos para poner solo las que te parecen a vos'' (R): creé y agregué la de 1936, jugada por River y San Lorenzo. Si querés más finales ahí, sos libre de crearlas y agregarlas. Fma12 (talk) 17:41, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

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Voy a modificar tu edit, pero antes te voy a explicar por qué, para evitar controversias con usuarios que suelen editar con la camiseta puesta, lo cual no es conveniente aquí.

En tu reversión, citás la fuente de AFA lo cual es correcto, pero esa fuente sólo corrobora el dato de que AFA otorgó un título arbitrariamente. En la afirmación "they did not win any title" se refería a que RC no ganó ni el Apertura ni el Clausura. Entonces, voy a modificar ese párrafo para que quede más claro, quedando "...the decision caused widespread controversy because the title was not included in the season's regulations, ''and Rosario Central did not win neither the Apertura nor the Clausura''", y así dejar más claro las circunstancias que tuvieron que ver con el hecho.

De hecho, la fuente que citás (https://www.afa.com.ar/es/pages/campeones-de-primera-division) corrobora que RC no ganó ni el apertura ni el clausura (textual):

Por lo cual, el párrafo modificado estaría correcto. De hecho ese párrafo tiene suficientes fuentes que confirman que el "título" no se corresponde con los dos torneos de liga disputados. Y como dije antes: no es opinión, son hechos. Fma12 (talk) 00:07, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

:Central no ganó ni el Apertura ni el Clausura, sino el torneo de Liga 2025, instaurado por la propia AFA durante la competencia. AFA tiene potestad para modificar reglamentos en la marcha, no es algo arbitrario. Es irrefutable que en AFA ACTUARON DENTRO DEL REGLAMENTO. El Art. 1 del Reglamento de la LPF 2025 (APROBADO POR TODOS) ES CLARO cuando dice '''''"será de aplicación cualquier reglamentación aprobada a futuro....."''''' https://www.ligaprofesional.ar/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Reglamento-de-Torneos-LPF-2025.pdf ↗. Asi que claramente a partir de 2025 se juega el torneo de Liga anual. '''Acá está el Boletín Oficial 6794 de AFA en donde se instaura eso mismo: https://assets1.afa.com.ar/2025/Boletines/Boletin-Resoluciones-6794-(20-11-2025).pdf ↗'''
:Tu frase en la oración es maliciosa y fuera de lugar, ya está aclarado lo de la polémica en la nota que pusiste antes, hasta allí es algo neutral, porque pasa y pasó, a pesar del llanto masivo de muchos, el cual lo seguirán teniendo... Central ganó el título de la Tabla Anual (Liga) que se instauró antes de que termine el Clausura y está aclarado. El campeonato sí lo ganó, y se seguirá jugando de acá en más, lo cual le da algo de "justicia" al campeonato argentino... Que salgan campeón el 15 y el 24 de la Tabla general (2 equipos que perdieron mas partidos de los que ganaron) habla del formato mamarrachesco de los torneos argentinos de primera división. Por ende, esto da justicia al que más puntos sumó en todo el año de enero a noviembre.
:Voy a revertir si lo seguis haciendo, porque ese renglón no corresponde. --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 00:20, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
::" a pesar del llanto masivo de muchos, el cual lo seguirán teniendo".... qué buen criterio objetivo y enciclopédico, eh. Si revertís nuevamente el edit, directamente te reporto por edit warring. Y ya tenés varios antecedentes de ser un usuario bastante controversial (Argentina v Brazil, Arg vs Uruguay).
::No hablo de justicia o no, porque eso sería entrar en subjetividades, algo de lo que conocés bien. El título "campeón de tabla anual" fue otorgado arbitrariamente te guste o no, y no hay frase maliciosa alguna en el edit. Simplemente mi ciño a los hechos. RC no ganó apertura ni clausura. Eso no es "malicioso". Te aconsejo dejar las cosas como están y no ir más allá. Fma12 (talk) 00:28, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Falacia: "...''el título de la Tabla Anual (Liga) que se instauró antes de que termine el Clausura y está aclarado''. La tabla anual es <u>al solo efecto de clasificación a Copas Internacionales</u>. Nunca se habló de que el primero de esa tabla obtenga un título de liga oficial.
:::Y si tenés el boletín de AFA (anterior al comienzo del Apertura, claro) que habla de ello expresamente, incluílo como fuente en el artículo. Pero no creo, porque si lo hubiera habido, el título no habría generado tanta polémica. Fma12 (talk) 00:32, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

:No ganó esos 2 torneitos cortos y mal hechos, pero ganó la Liga Anual, tal como lo cataloga la AFA. Como está ahora es mas neutral: AFA tiene la potestad de modificar sus reglamentos en proceso (tal como se muestra en la fuente arriba) y eso es lo que se hizo: un poco de justicia, por más de que a muchos hinchas hipócritas de clubes que se han cansado de robar titulos en la Historia, se sientan ofendidos... Que risa... Pero como esto no es un foro, lo dejo allí, no voy a entrar en esa. Se aclara que AFA tenía potestad de modificarlo y se adjunta el boletín oficial y listo. Punto. Seguí en lo tuyo. --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 00:46, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
:PD: también definía descensos esta Tabla Anual. Detalle no menor. También se sabía que el 1 y el 2 entraban a la Libertadores, y quiero creer que todos querían ser 1 o 2 para entrar directo en la Libertadores.... Ahora sí, la corto acá. Seguí en lo tuyo. --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 00:48, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
::Con vos es imposible llegar a un consenso por las buenas, porque editás y opinás con la camiseta puesta. Por supuesto no voy a bajar a tu nivel, porque tengo para chicanearte mucho más que lo que vos podés hacer conmigo, pero esas termeadas las dejo para twitter. Mi consejo es que adoptes otro tono, porque con esa postura lo único que vas a cosechar son discusiones sin sentido, y algún que otro bloqueo debido a eso.
::La mitad de todo tus alegato son opiniones personales, ý precisamente en WP eso lo tenés que dejar de lado. Algún día lo vas a entender. Allá vos. Fma12 (talk) 01:10, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
:Tus comentarios son pura chicana, pura espuma o humo. Ya te demostré con 2 documentos de AFA que ellos -por mas desprolijo que fue- tenían la potestad de hacer lo que hicieron. Fue una cuestión de formas, no de fondo. Se ve que molestó mucho... No los vi tan molestos cuando a Central le robaron títulos en 1919, 1923, 1970, 2015 (todos boca), 1975 (independiente en Libertadores), 2016 (river)...
:Respecto a lo de Argentina vs. Brasil, menos mal que me metí y neutralicé el desastre que estaba haciendo un usuario brasilero con otro inglés... Desde que intervine, se ven todas las visiones, no solo la brasileña, que era la única que predominaba en el artcículo. Y vos te lavaste las manos cuando te pedí de buena manera colaboración, cuando yo tenía las fuentes neutrales de FIFA, de AFA, de medios locales e internacionales, para salirles al cruce a semejante atropello que querían imponer con miradas parciales... Menos mal que los frené... Porque si fuera por vos, Poncio Pilatos es un poroto... En fin... Ah, a tu "consejo" me lo paso por donde no me da el sol. Te repito, seguí en lo tuyo y no te cruces conmigo, "small ball" or "pellet"... --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 00:36, 29 December 2025 (UTC)