User Talk: Semsûrî

Server-side rendered snapshot of this editor's Wikipedia talk page discussions.

Thank you for your efforts

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | 100px ↗
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Diligence'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Your scrutiny and care for Kurdish articles that regularly get vandalized is impressive and I thank you very much. I just wanted to say thanks. TataofTata (talk) 13:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
|}

A barnstar for your efforts

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:top;" | {{#ifeq:alt|alt|100px ↗|100px ↗}}

|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Current Events Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Awarded for efforts in expanding and verifying articles related to the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis ↗ and 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine ↗. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) ↗ 7 March 2022 (UTC)
|}

Re:Languages of Denmark

I think the word may mislead readers to think the language is not used anymore. History section may be included for each language. As for the distinction between old and new languages, it is mostly covered in this typical distinction between "official minority languages" and "other minority languages" at least in countries with decent legal framework (making Romani interesting case since it is both historic and not properly recognised). Usually, only communities living in some country long enough (usually 100 years or something like that) are recognised as national minorities (as opposed to immigrant communities). While I do not like that distinction, it implies that country has some specific active responsibility towards national minority, it's culture and identity, particularly since many of them lived in some areas before the state itself was created. There is usually no similar active legal responsibility towards immigrant cultures. As for historic language, it may include languages not used anymore like Old Norse ↗ or something. MirkoS18 (talk) 19:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:Would you oppose just having one section head titled '''Languages''' and have all the languages in alphabetical order, regardless of them still being used or not? Semsûrî (talk) 20:54, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
::I do not think that would be the best approach. Minority languages are a notable and relevant topic in their own right, and separating them provides a meaningful framework for understanding their legal and cultural status. For example, just as Danish holds official status and is clearly recognized as the majority language in Denmark, minority languages like German enjoy specific protections under international and national law. Denmark is a signatory of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages ↗ and has explicitly committed to protecting the German language in ways in which some other languages are not protected in Denmark. Lumping all languages (whether historical, official, recognized, or not) into a single alphabetical list risks obscuring the distinctions that exist in many countries with explicit language policies or hierarchies. Such a flattened structure might only make sense in countries that do not have any formal language recognition mechanisms or where no legal distinction exists between official, minority, or heritage languages. In cases like Denmark, however, where there is a defined legal responsibility toward certain linguistic communities, I believe it is important to maintain categories that reflect those realities.--MirkoS18 (talk) 08:47, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:::Fair but I have an issue with Dutch coming first - can we move minority languages up then? Semsûrî (talk) 10:02, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::::That makes a great deal of sense to me. In fact, one could approach the issue by grouping languages roughly along the following lines: first, Danish; second, officially recognized minority languages such as primarily German; third, minority languages with ambiguous legal or social status, like Romani; fourth, other languages currently in use, including Arabic and others; fifth, historically spoken languages; and finally, languages primarily learned in schools, such as Spanish, French, or Swedish. I do not know if you may need special category for Scandinavian languages? While such a hierarchy certainly invites critique (and rightly so) it may nonetheless be the most practical way to highlight linguistic diversity and to challenge widespread, often unexamined assumptions about the supposed linguistic homogeneity or total hegemony of a single official language. My understanding is that this article is primarily about metropolitan Denmark so you probably do not need to deal extensively with Languages of Greenland ↗ and Languages of the Faroe Islands ↗ except if they are used in metropolitan Denmark?--MirkoS18 (talk) 11:07, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yes this article is only about metropolitan Denmark. So Danish, recognized minority languages (for just German), minority languages (for Romani) and other languages (like Arabic). Where would you put Yiddish, Dutch, Russian and Polish? I would rather have them in the third group with Romani than in the same group with more recent languages like Arabic. Maybe a "minority languages" and a "foreign languages" distinction? Semsûrî (talk) 12:07, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::In principle, I agree with your distinction between “minority languages” and “foreign languages.” It does reflect real differences in legal recognition and historical presence that many European countries, Denmark included, follow. Putting Yiddish, Dutch, Russian and Polish together with Romani as “minority languages” makes sense since these communities usually have a longer or more established presence compared to more recent languages. That said, I think it’s important to keep some flexibility in the framework (as long as it’s not abused) because language situations can get quite complex, and this is mainly a general skeleton that works for most European contexts. Since this article is about metropolitan Denmark, organizing the languages from Danish, to officially recognized minorities, then other minorities, followed by foreign and historic languages seems like a practical way to show the linguistic diversity without oversimplifying. It strikes a good balance overall. Of course, you probably know the details much better than I do, since I’m from Southeast Europe and not as familiar with the local specifics.--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:26, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. I'll make some changes per this section before expanding the article with info on more languages. Semsûrî (talk) 13:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Reverting edits

Hi! I noticed that you reverted two edits I made this week. Both edits added relevant images that are already used on the same pages in other language versions. Could you please let me know why those images were removed?

Thanks! ScottyNolan (talk) 12:19, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

:I don't believe a map of the districts of a province is relevant to an article about a town or village. An image of the particular town/village would be much better. If the last image needs to be added somewhere it should be Arıcak District ↗ and not Arıcak ↗, but there's already a similar map there. Semsûrî (talk) 12:24, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

Official lists of villages, municipalities etc. in Turkey

Hi Semsûrî, I noticed that the government website that you and I used as reference for lists of neighbourhoods, villages, municipalities etc. https://www.e-icisleri.gov.tr/anasayfa/mulkiidaribolumleri.aspx is offline. It has been archived at the Wayback Machine, but sadly the links within the page leading to the actual lists have not been archived, at least I haven't found an active link. Do you know whether there is another page with recent lists? Markussep <sup>Talk</sup> 08:49, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

:I have not found anything sadly. Each district has its own website which may include a list of villages/neighborhoods/municipalities. Semsûrî (talk) 12:21, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

Request

I saw that you created articles about Kurdish villages; could you also create articles for the Kurdish villages in Kayseri province and in the Black Sea provinces? NEMURO (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

":Kurdistan Presidency Council ↗" listed at Redirects for discussion ↗

30px ↗
The redirect <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdistan_Presidency_Council&redirect=no Kurdistan Presidency Council]</span> has been listed at redirects for discussion ↗ to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines ↗. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{section link|1=Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 December 20#Kurdistan Presidency Council}}''' until a consensus is reached.  GuesanLoyalist (talk) 02:08, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Status of Greenland article / January 2026 developments

Hi. I noticed you reverted my recent updates to the Greenland ↗ infobox. I understand the sensitivity regarding the sovereignty of the Danish Realm, but per WP:NPOV ↗ and WP:CURRENT ↗, Wikipedia must reflect the significant change in geopolitical reality following the January 4, 2026, appointment of a U.S. Special Envoy (Jeff Landry) and the subsequent formal dispute.

My edit did not claim the U.S. has achieved sovereignty, but rather documented the status dispute which is now a matter of international record. Furthermore, I invoked WP:TIES ↗ regarding the shift to American English, as the administrative focus and primary news coverage have shifted significantly toward U.S. involvement.

I am happy to discuss how to best word the 'disputed' status to maintain neutrality, but simply blanking the U.S. claim and the Envoy appointment ignores verifiable ↗ facts reported by major secondary sources (Guardian, CBS, etc.). Noseyhares (talk) 18:06, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:Isolated remarks do not, by themselves, establish a recognized sovereignty dispute. There are other appropriate ways to expand the article if the US officially claims Danish territory (and please remember OR ↗ and SYNTH ↗ here). There's a section in the article about Trump that you can expand, but changing the infobox to claim that Danish sovereignty over Greenland is disputed is not appropriate. Look at the infobox at Falkland Islands ↗ where there is no mention of the Argentine dispute over British sovereignty either. Semsûrî (talk) 18:33, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, Semsûrî

{| style="background-color: var(--background-color-success-subtle, #fdffe7); border: 1px solid var(--border-color-success, #fceb92); color: var(--color-base, #202122);"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | 100px ↗
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Kurdistan Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your work on Kurdish-related topics. <b style="color:#ffffff;font-size:12px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid #839D5B;border-radius:4px;background-color:#839D5B;padding:1px;"> Zemen </b> <small>(talk)</small> 05:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
|}

This user is a nationalist edit warring about villages of Malatya for some reason.

Why do you even care so much to make MY village of a few hundred (and others around Malatya) ethnic Kurds? I really can not understand mate Ichbineinekraldöven (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
: We build Wikipedia on reliable sources and we have one that states its populated by Kurds. Semsûrî (talk) 16:00, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
::I believe you are acting in good faith, if you are willing i can provide sources/evidence. I am literally from the village my friend Ichbineinekraldöven (talk) 16:03, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:::The source is in the article - you can check it yourself. Semsûrî (talk) 16:08, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
::::I have been looking for some time and cant really find the Book anywhere online. Would you be kind enough to help me out on that?
::::Besides, I really do think we are able to challenge supposedly questionable sources on Wikipedia.
::::I am literally the topic of the mentioned academic work here and saying It is completely false about my village and other villages in Malatya. Is it really fair to take the Book's word for holy law because it is (i assume) the only real "scientific" statement done about my village's ethnicity? Ichbineinekraldöven (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::I would also like to add that the Book is literally some random book written by European academicians whom I really do not believe were anywhere near where I am standing at right now. Ichbineinekraldöven (talk) 16:49, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

My suggestion for you

You use wrong language for your edits, most of your edits will cause controversy if they do not reflect the modern day ethnic statement. You word it like "this town is populated by Kurds"instead of "this town was recorded as a Kurfish settlement according to this X historian" or "this town was founded by this X Kurdish tribe according to this A source" or vice versa for Turks. Forexample the town Cafana in Malatya was founded by both Sunni Turks and Alevi Kurds but today its mostly populated by Sunni Turks cause almost all Alevi Kurds left the town. You normally would do an edit like "This town is populated by Turks" and it would cause controversy since there are Alevi Kurds who originate from there. And vice versa happens too. We know all the settlement's ethnic background in Malatya,Adiyaman,Elazig etc. We know that those province's city and district centers are mostly Turkish or atleast native Turkish speaking with both Turkish and Kurdish communities living along in the rural areas. If you listen to my recommendation the controversy will mostly end. FeisaStar (talk) 11:07, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

:The ethnicity situation is more complex than just saying X or Y, we need to be more neutral about statements since there is no source that backs up current ethnic background but there is sources that talk about the ethnicty of settlements from 20th century. FeisaStar (talk) 11:09, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Recognition and diplomatic relations

Dear Semsûrî,
since you are reverting the updates on the Bhutan-Croatia articles regarding diplomatic relations let me introduce you to the topic. Bhutan and Croatia established diplomatic relations on 29 October 2020. That is when the diplomatic relations were established. However, TODAY, on the 16 June, Bhutan officially recognized Croatia which is what is mentioned in the articles, if you read them clearly. Therefore, please stop reverting the changes as these are the facts of the matter, and your reverting them aren't contributing to the topic. Franjo-22121990 (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

:That is not how things work. First you recogniez then you establish diplomatic relations. Check footnote 1 at Foreign relations of Bhutan ↗. here ↗. There's no Croatia (yet). Semsûrî (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
::29 October 2020 was a unilateral decision by Croatia to initiate relations. However, because of Bhutan's highly restrictive foreign policy, Bhutan did not reciprocate or sign a joint communiqué back then. This is why the old footnote you linked on the Bhutan page doesn't list Croatia yet. Today, Bhutan officially granted formal recognition and completed the diplomatic normalization process with Croatia. The Croatian Ministry of Foreign and European Affairs has just released an official statement welcoming Bhutan's decision today, which now formalizes the foundation for their bilateral relations.
::The page needs updating because the facts on the ground have officially changed today. Please stop reverting, and check today's official press releases from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for validation. https://www.croatiaweek.com/bhutan-formally-recognises-croatia-diplomatic-relations/#:~:text=Bhutan%20formally%20recognises%20Croatia%2C%20leaving%20only%20two,%2D%20June%2016%2C%202026.%20%2D%20in%20News. Franjo-22121990 (talk) 19:53, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Establishing diplomatic relations is not a unilateral decision so whatever happened in 2020 is insignificant. Recognition is first step towards establishing diplomatic relations and the two countries may well be working on formalizing diplomatic relations as Bhutan only recently established such relations with two other European countries. Bhutan is quick to update their list (https://www.mfa.gov.bt/bilateral-relations-2/) so if you are correct we just have to wait a a day or two. It took www.mfa.gov.bt only a day to update regarding Monaco.https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foreign_relations_of_Bhutan&diff=1358537256&oldid=1357592764 ↗https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foreign_relations_of_Bhutan&diff=1358619858&oldid=1358560649 ↗ We should be patient and ensure the information is correct rather than rushing to update the page. Semsûrî (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

June 2026

30px|alt=Stop icon ↗ '''You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war ↗, according to the reverts you've made to :Foreign relations of Croatia ↗.''' This means that you are repeatedly reverting content back to how you think it should be, despite knowing that other editors disagree. Once it is known that there is a disagreement, users are expected to collaborate ↗ with others, avoid editing disruptively ↗, and try to reach a consensus ↗ – rather than repeatedly reverting the changes made by other users.

Important points to note:
# {{strong|Edit warring is disruptive behavior ↗ – regardless of how many reverts you have made;}}
# {{strong|Do not engage in edit warring – even if you believe that you are right.}}
You need to discuss the disagreement on the article's talk page ↗ and work towards a revision that represents consensus among everyone involved. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard ↗ or seek dispute resolution ↗ if discussions reach an impasse. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection ↗. {{strong|If you continue to engage in edit warring, you may be blocked ↗ from editing.}}  The Bushranger <sub><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></sub> 21:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
:There is no exception to WP:3RR ↗ for "edit being reverted is not correct". You're at 5RR on that article, and if you count the last 25 hours, ''six''. Given you were editing in good faith I have chosen not to block you, but '''do not edit-war, even if you are right ↗'''. - The Bushranger <sub><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></sub> 21:12, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Cobur oral history

The inhabitants of Cobur claim to be a subclan of the Milliyan tribe as having migrated from Ras al- Ayn to Dersim. Why is this getting
deleted even though it’s mentioned that it is oral tradition? CoburyanMilliyan (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

July 2026

<div class="user-block uw-pblock" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid var(--border-color-base, #a2ab91); background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #fef6e7); color:inherit; min-height: 40px">40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock ↗<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''blocked ↗''' from editing from certain pages (:Zaza language ↗) for a period of '''2 weeks''' for edit warring ↗. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions ↗. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes ↗ and seek consensus ↗. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution ↗, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection ↗.</div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks ↗, then submit a request through the unblock wizard ↗ or through <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:MyTalk|action=edit&section=new&editintro=Template:Unblock/editintro&preloadtitle=Unblock+request&preload=Template:Unblock/preload&preloadparams%5b%5d=}} your talk page]</span>. Alternatively, add the following text directly to the bottom of your talk page: {{tlx|unblock|2=reason=Your reason here <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}.  ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2026 (UTC)</div></div>

:Can you take a look at the article and protect it per WP:GS/KURD ↗? A non-extended confirmed account has become active on the page. Thanks. Semsûrî (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2026 (UTC)
::I just requested ↗ it. Thanks, TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you. Semsûrî (talk) 16:13, 5 July 2026 (UTC)