User Talk: Zemen

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August 2024

25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello, I'm Aintabli. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, but you didn't provide a reliable source ↗. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation ↗ and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners ↗. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.  Aintabli (talk) 07:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

:@Aintabli: I just added name of the word in Kurdish. Khanqah or Sufi lodge is famous among Kurds and there are many famous headquarters of Khanqa in Kurdistan like other nations and countries. does this exactly require a source? Zamand Karim (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

September 2024

25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions ↗, such as the edit(s) you made to :Shabankara ↗, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted ↗. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines ↗. You can find information about these at our welcome page ↗ which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia ↗. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page ↗. Thank you. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

:@HistoryofIran sounds funny. just a normal edit, do you need to put this notice on my talk page? Zaman (talk) 22:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
::If it was a “normal edit“, I wouldn't have done that. Please read my edit summary. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
:::@HistoryofIran "doesnt seem very neutral" what is this nonsense? what do you even mean? you could set cn for the other language as well. and gave no explanation as to why you removed the romanization? u wrote a summary edit so you dont have to come to my talkpage. Zaman (talk) 22:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, adding CN for only unsourced Persian but not unsourced Kurdish is not neutral. No, others should not finish your half-complete edit. And I just merely restored the original revision, hence why the romanization also got removed (which shouldn't be there, nor should Persian and Kurdish since they're unsourced). And thus I came here. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::@HistoryofIran What are you even talking about? I always add cn for a text so that the target includes the previous text. why do you see things as you are. I haven't even thought about it, huh. Zaman (talk) 23:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::Sorry, but that makes no sense. Anyways, what you did is clear here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shabankara&oldid=1246759668 ↗. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

30px|link= ↗ You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war ↗ according to the reverts you have made on :Gordyene ↗. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate ↗ with others, to avoid editing disruptively ↗, and to try to reach a consensus ↗, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:
# '''Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;'''
# '''Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.'''
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page ↗ to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard ↗ or seek dispute resolution ↗. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection ↗. If you engage in an edit war, you '''may be blocked ↗ from editing.'''  HistoryofIran (talk) 21:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Also, calling me a "farsist" (whatever that means) and my edits non-neutral without any proof is pure WP:ASPERSIONS ↗/WP:NPA ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gordyene&diff=prev&oldid=1247566878 ↗. And I know understand why you don't like warnings, your talk page history is full of it https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zemen&action=history ↗. In other words, I have plenty of proof to take to WP:ANI ↗ if you continue. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::@HistoryofIran Yeah, what I expected, these words, I know what you want, on the pretext of 'Wikipedia rules' (which I respect much) exactly what you don't want to see: 'Kurd' why don’t you go get some rest ↗? nt: my talk page history, which is common mistakes made by new users, is irrelevant. and im right that youre a farsist (maybe اطلاعات) glo. Zaman (talk) 22:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::These don't look like "common mistakes made by new users" to me https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zemen&diff=prev&oldid=1077452754 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zemen&diff=prev&oldid=1077452861 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zemen&diff=prev&oldid=1077456482 ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zemen&diff=prev&oldid=1239744080 ↗. You don't know me, and never will; cease the attacks, including the namecalling. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I dont know you, but you make me want to know you with your funny words. u used to say "your edits dont look natural" which I didnt even know what you meant (I understand now) isn't it normal for you if I tell you the same thing? why are you upset with a word? isnt this against rules? Zaman (talk) 22:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::I didn't say "your edits dont look natural", I said your edit at Shabankara was not neutral, as you have already been explained - feel free to read it again. And sorry to dissapoint you, but you're still not going to know me - ever. However, you have not shown one single proof of me being non-neutral. Instead, you have resorted to namecalling and WP:ASPERSIONS ↗. Do better. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::@HistoryofIran good that you understood your purpose. good look Zaman (talk) 22:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::That makes no sense. Is this an attempt at provoking me? HistoryofIran (talk) 22:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Just wishin' you good luck? now u can end this discussion. Zaman (talk) 23:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Very funny. Let me say it in a language that you might understand then: next time you make any sort of attack against me (including namecalling), I will report you to WP:ANI ↗. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::ok Zaman (talk) 00:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yet another provocative comment. And now you disregarded Template:Infobox country ↗ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adiabene&diff=prev&oldid=1247591221 ↗. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

25px|alt=|link= ↗ Please stop your disruptive editing ↗.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute ↗ with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page ↗, and seek consensus ↗ with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution ↗ page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards ↗.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at :Adiabene ↗, you may be blocked from editing ↗.  HistoryofIran (talk) 00:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

:Why don't you put this in another section? Zaman (talk) 00:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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Reliable sources

Hi Zemen, reminder to make sure you're using reliable sources ↗ as citations for your edits. If something is on a wordpress blog, for example, it's very unlikely to be a reliable source. We're looking for sources from major news organizations and academic journals, that sort of thing. -- asilvering (talk) 22:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know, I'm trying to learn faster.+ please revert any edits if they aren't good. Zaman (talk) 23:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
::I recommend installing User:Headbomb/unreliable, which isn't accurate all the time, but will help you get a general sense for what is and isn't reliable. Many sources that aren't reliable won't be flagged by that script, since it works off the list at WP:RSP ↗. If you're not sure about a source, feel free to go to WP:TEA ↗ to ask for help from experienced editors. -- asilvering (talk) 00:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Simplicity

Since you say you do not understand what personal attacks you've made, let's make this simple. If you ever refer to Historyofiran's ethnicity in any way ever again, I will block you indefinitely. If you ever make a comment about what you think HistoryofIran's motivations are ever again, I will block you indefinitely. I realize these are not the only issues, and the discussion is not over at ANI, and I don't know how that is going to end up, but this should at least deal with the low hanging fruit. Floquenbeam (talk) 16:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

:@Floquenbeam: He started this, what do you think "your edits don't look neutral" means? just because I didn't put a CN tag in a text. thats unpleasant for me to be accused of being racist without mean anything bad. well, I know you know what he meant by that. except constant spamming with warning tags and replies on my talk page for only 3 wrong edits, that could have warned me in the edit summary. Zaman (talk) 17:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::That has nothing to do with his ethnicity or his motivation. The warning stands, and is not negotiable. Floquenbeam (talk) 17:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
:::I hoped you would send him the same notice that he would at least have a good point of view ↗ towards other users, and not suspect them of racism [for the sake of his language or anythin related to him]. thanks. Zaman (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::@Zemen, I want to reiterate what I said in the ANI thread: these notices are a very normal part of how editors communicate on wikipedia, and you are going to have to accept that sometimes people will use them on your talk page. Discussing things in edit summaries is often a poor way to communicate and can lead to edit wars instead of useful discussion. You have to assume good faith ↗ and remain civil. -- asilvering (talk) 18:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
:::well, i take responsibility for my mistake. "told him four times to end this discussion, which he didn't and escalated the discussion for no reason". hope you feel it, how someone is defined without knowing their purpose. Zaman (talk) 18:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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:Thanks TahaKahi! I appreciate it. Zaman (talk) 21:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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:Thanks for the note. The article is now complete and ready for review.  Zemen  (talk) 23:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Persistent issues

Please read WP:RS ↗, WP:SYNTH ↗, WP:VER ↗ and WP:CITE ↗ this time. I believe I have had to remind you of these type of policies since almost a year now, it's getting tiring. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:47, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:Could you please explain specifically how the sources I added fail to meet Wikipedia's content policies, rather than simply referring to WP:RS ↗? and say "please read WP:RS ↗". I’ve provided material from well-known historical works like al-Tabari and al-Masudi, which are widely cited across many articles. If there's a valid reason why these sources are considered unsuitable here, I'd appreciate a clear explanation based on policy. Also, I’d like clarification on what you meant by "list is getting long now” and “starting to get disruptive"? what does that even mean?. Without a grounded justification for their removal, I will consider restoring the sourced material. If this continues, I will bring it to an admin to review your non-neutral reverts.  Zemen  (talk) 09:39, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{tq|Could you please explain specifically how the sources I added fail to meet Wikipedia's content policies, rather than simply referring to WP:RS? and say "please read WP:RS". I’ve provided material from well-known historical works like al-Tabari and al-Masudi, which are widely cited across many articles. If there's a valid reason why these sources are considered unsuitable here, I'd appreciate a clear explanation based on policy.}}
::So you have not fully read it, after all this time. See WP:PSTS ↗ and WP:SCHOLARSHIP ↗.
::{{tq| Also, I’d like clarification on what you meant by "list is getting long now” and “starting to get disruptive"? what does that even mean?. Without a grounded justification for their removal, I will consider restoring the sourced material. If this continues, I will bring it to an admin to review your non-neutral reverts.}}
::I think I've explained this well enough during all this time. The fact that you accuse me of "non-neutral" reverts says enough. If you continue, I will report you to WP:ANI ↗, listing every single non-constructive diff. HistoryofIran (talk) 09:58, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Excuse me, Accusing? Didn't you say the same phrase to me here ↗? Yes, I’ve read the policies, you still haven't proven anything. How can Al-Tabari’s 8,000-page book not be considered a reliable source when it's cited in most Wikipedia articles?  Zemen  (talk) 10:10, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::::So for a diff half year ago which I can undoubtly prove right to an admin, that justifies you accusing me of being non-neutral for reverting your edits today that disregards our policies? Good luck convincing an admin that. As for your question, the policies are right there, please read them this time, and do be aware of WP:OTHER ↗. HistoryofIran (talk) 10:19, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::This isn't a family conflict to brush off with "that was a long time ago". If you're comfortable calling someones contributions "non-neutral", you should also accept being told the same. Policies aren't personal property, so saying "our policies" can make others feel excluded.. especially when you're not an admin. It's weird that you're so well-versed in Wikipedia’s policies, yet can't extend basic good faith to others ↗.  Zemen  (talk) 10:58, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::{{tq|This isn't a family conflict to brush off with "that was a long time ago". If you're comfortable calling someones contributions "non-neutral", you should also accept being told the same.}}
::::::I'm not brushing anything off. You violated our rules back then, that is no secret (and if you're going to quote me, please do it right, I said "doesnt seem very neutral." ↗). You are in no position to try to make me look like the bad guy. The fact that you don't see that, and think that it justifies more WP:ASPERSIONS ↗ for reverting more of your recent edits that violates our policies, is highly concerning and is at the realm of WP:BATTLEGROUND ↗.
::::::{{tq|Policies aren't personal property, so saying "our policies" can make others feel excluded.. especially when you're not an admin.}}
::::::Kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth. When I say "our policies", it obviously includes you (and everyone else in Wiki) as well. Why would I expect you to follow a policy if you weren't "part" of it?
::::::{{tq|It's weird that you're so well-versed in Wikipedia’s policies, yet can't extend basic good faith to others.}}
::::::You've been given WP:ROPE ↗ for almost a year now, there is a limit. And I don't think a person who made countless hostile comments towards one for apparently being "Persian" is in a position to talk about good faith here. I'm not interested in arguing with you, just please follow the policies of Wikipedia. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:09, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::See? honestly, I’m just tired of having to explain this over and over. I say this with respect, but you seem like someone who only stands by their own words. How do you expect others to respond when you call their contributions "non-neutral" just because they added a citation needed tag to "persian"? I’m the bad guy now, got it?  Zemen  (talk) 11:27, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::That was not why you were called out, and that was not your whole edit. I already explained to you back then what was wrong with your edit, it's still up there in your talk page. And you misquoted me again, despite me correcting it up above. Respect or not, please keep your personal thoughts about me to yourself. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:33, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::{{tqq|I’m the bad guy now, got it?}}  Zemen  (talk) 11:37, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

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:Thanks for checking the article and your feedback. I've updated it as much as I could and removed the biased content.  Zemen  (talk) 13:40, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

May 2025

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:Fixed  Zemen  (talk) 06:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

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:Thank you so much, I truly appreciate it.  Zemen  (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Hi I wanted to know if you have any social media because I want to talk to you about something important. 37.167.158.216 ↗ (talk) 21:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:Hi! If it’s something important, feel free to tell me here on my talk page, especially if it’s about Wikipedia.  Zemen  (talk) 23:03, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, I can’t tell here, I am being watched.. 37.167.76.35 ↗ (talk) 11:38, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
:::Alright, here’s my username on X: bakurkurdi0.  Zemen  (talk) 05:08, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Regarding Talk:Kurmanji#Requested move 7 May 2025 ↗

You keep WP:BLUDGEON ↗ing respondents with "Popularity is not the point", but you are entirely mistaken. WP:COMMONNAME ↗ policy is not optional, but is the first and foremost criterion applied in deciding on an article title. It is only overridden when multiple other article-titling WP:CRITERIA ↗ simultaneously militate against the most common name in the reliable source material. And the criteria are given in priority order; the least important is consistency. We make things consistent only when doing so does not violate any of the higher-order criteria.

Next, your claim that the name is "wrong" is not supportable at all, since a strong majority of highly reliable English-language sources (including recent ones) on linguistics and on this language in particular use the name Kurmanji for what you prefer to call Northern Kurdish. For WP purposes, the most correct name for anything is that which is most often used by reliable English-language sources. This would hardly be the only case in which one language or dialect has a name in the form "Adjective Noun" and others closely related do not. An obvious-to-me set of examples is Scottish Gaelic language ↗, Irish language ↗, and Manx language ↗. While there are linguists who prefer the terms "Irish Gaelic" and "Manx Gaelic", and there are speakers who refer to the Scottish form simply as "Gaelic" (though not as just "Scottish"!), our article titles reflect what the vast majority of the reliable sources (in English) are doing.

Thirdly, that the name's literal meaning in the native language is 'Kurdish' is simply irrelevant; you're engaging in a cross-language variant of the etymological fallacy ↗.

In order to successfully pursue a later (probably much, much later, like try again in 2030?) re-attempt at an RM on this, you would need to surmount these problems. Probably the only way that will ever be possible is if a strong majority of reliable sources shift to calling it Northern Kurdish and abandon the name Kurmanji. — '''SMcCandlish''' ☏ ¢ ↗ 😼 13:26, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you for your comment. I understand your points, though I still believe there's room for reevaluating the title in the future as terminology evolves. I'll leave it for now.  Zemen  (talk) 08:14, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Edit about Kermanshah Language

Hello. As you talked about my edits in my user talk, I am going to explain the edit and make sure everybody understand the truth about it.

Kermanshah ↗ has a multi-language format and almost everybody understand and use both Persian ↗ and South Kurdish ↗. However, it is very clear by RECENT studies that the dominant language in everyday conversations in the CITY is Persian:

# Azizi, Mina; Saberi, Kourosh; Moradkhani, Shahab (20 March 2024). "Studying Speakers' Attitudes towards Kurdish, Kermanshahi Persian, and Standard Persian in Kermanshah Using Matched Guise Technique". Research in Western Iranian Languages and Dialects. 12 (1): 55–71. doi:10.22126/jlw.2023.8847.1688. ISSN 2345-2579.
# Jalilian Tabar, Farahnaz (August 2016). "The Study of Kurdish & Persian Languages Use in Kermanshah". Theory and Practice in Language Studies. 6 (8): 1652–1658. doi:10.17507/tpls.0608.19. ISSN 1799-2591 – via ResearchGate.
# Zarei, Ghodrat; Dabirmghaddam, Mohammad (20 April 2024). "The Southern Kurdish (Kermashani Dialect) Status Use in Kermanshah: Language Maintenance or Shift?". Persian Language and Iranian Dialects. 9 (1). doi:10.22124/plid.2025.27593.1682. ISSN 2476-6585.
# رنجبر, ‌کتایون (1 October 1386). "دوزبانگی در میان دانش آموزان ساکن شهرهای کرمانشاه و پاوه". مجموعه مقالات دانشگاه علامه طباطبایی (in Persian). 220: 785–798.

The provided sources that you used to mention that the dominant language is not Persian is either:

# Not recent
# Is about the whole province not the city

Please keep this in mind that I have studied this comprehensively and talked about that . So, if you have more recent studies about the language in the city and not province, we can have constructive conversation in the talk page of Kermanshah.

Thank you and good luck!

Apsa 54 (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

:First, you removed a sourced statement from the Kermanshah article without any explanation in your edit summary. The content you removed mentioned that both Kurdish and Persian are dominant languages in the city. Removing that without prior discussion violates both WP:ONUS ↗ and WP:CONSENSUS ↗.
:Second, instead of opening a proper discussion on the article's talk page, you messaged another user and falsely claimed the article being "attacked" and that I’m making "non-constructive edits". That is dishonest. Misrepresenting the situation and trying to rally support behind the scenes is canvassing and clearly violates WP:CANVASS ↗.
:Third, even the sources you cite do not back up the claim that Persian is the ''only'' dominant language in Kermanshah:
:* Two of the sources you mentioned can’t even be verified online.
:* The other two, Jalilian Tabar (2016) and Azizi (2024), do not claim Persian is solely dominant. In fact, both show that Kurdish remains a major language in the city and is used in daily life alongside Persian.
:Fourth, you don’t even show any of these sources in the article to support your edit.
:Plus, I never said Persian isn't used. In fact, I included sources confirming the use and dominance of Persian alongside Kurdish. You can check the article history; I restored a version that reflects both languages, not just one!
:So not only did you remove sourced material without explanation, but you also misrepresented your own sources to justify that removal and failed to provide citations in the article. That’s not how editing on Wikipedia works.
:If you’re genuinely here to improve the article, then use the talk page and bring your sources to open discussion, without twisting what they say, without trying to call in reinforcements, and with proper citations. Otherwise, this kind of editing behavior will be treated as POV-pushing and disruptive.  Zemen  (talk) 18:24, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
::You mentioned that I misrepresented my sources, and I really do not understand what you are talking about. In one of them, it clearly states that: "The results show the Persian dominance on Kurdish in all six social contexts."
::And in the Kermanshah ↗ article, we were talking about the dominant language. The dominant language has it own definition in terms of linguistics. I never claimed that Kurdish is not relevant or spoken in Kermanshah, but scientifically, the dominant language is Persian. My statement clearly stated that: "The dominant language in Kermanshah is Persian ↗, but the people also speak South Kurdish ↗."
::Additionally, all four sources are available online.
::In conclusion, I am 100% agree on reaching a consensus and open discussion. That's why I opened a discussion about that in the talk page long before you changed the language statement before reaching a consensus according the WP:CONSENSUS ↗. That's exactly why I ask others to help me reach a consensus or protection to prevent a edit war. Apsa 54 (talk) 19:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
:::First of all, you removed the very source Azizi, Mina (2024), that you previously used to justify your edit. But what’s more ironic is that I had already used that same source earlier to support the balanced claim that both Kurdish and Persian are dominant languages in the city. You claimed it proves Persian dominance, but now you've taken it out of the article yourself. So which is it? If that source truly supported your point, why remove it? This shows your approach to sourcing is inconsistent and opportunistic, shifting depending on what helps your argument, not on what reflects accuracy or neutrality.
:::Second, you claim you're trying to "prevent an edit war", but you went ahead and reverted my edit again, even after this discussion had already started. If your goal was truly to build consensus, you would’ve waited and participated in the discussion on the talk page, not continued to force your version into the article.
:::Third, you say you’re "asking others to help" but instead of going to the article's talk page to reach a conclusion, you went and messaged a random user who has nothing to do with the situation. He’s not involved in the article, not part of the discussion, and not even an admin. That's classic canvassing under WP:CANVASS ↗, especially since you falsely described the situation as me "attacking", which is simply not true.
:::Also, could you please provide exactly which source says: "The results show the Persian dominance on Kurdish in all six social contexts"? I checked your listed sources, and none of them state that sentence in full or in that framing. Please quote it in proper context, because otherwise, this appears to be another case of selective citation.
:::Fourth, you talk about "scientific definitions" of dominant language, but this isn’t a linguistics paper, it’s a Wikipedia article. What matters here is what reliable sources actually say, not how you personally define the term ''dominant'', And reliable sources, including the very ones you cited, show that Kurdish is still widely used in Kermanshah. Presenting Persian as the only dominant language is misleading and non-neutral.
:::So again, if you’re genuinely here to improve the article, then participate in the talk page discussion, present your sources accurately, and stop reverting without consensus. If you continue this kind of behavior, misrepresenting sources, and canvassing, it will be taken to WP:NPOVN ↗ or WP:ANI ↗ for disruptive editing and POV-pushing.  Zemen  (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

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:Thanks a lot for the barnstar and advice, I’ll keep it in mind.  Zemen  (talk) 15:27, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

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About Simko Shikak

Hi Zemen, I like and appreciate the pages you created and your contributions and changes within the pages. To explain myself, I'm a Kurd who has been researching the activities of Kurdish tribes since the 19th century. Some of the pages you created caught my attention. (Battle of Miandoab, Battle of Shekar Yazi) I have many battles like this (including Simko). If you want, I can send them to you and help you create many new pages. 176.237.246.110 ↗ (talk) 09:36, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks a lot! I’d be glad to see what you have and work on more pages together :)  Zemen  (talk) 21:23, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for accepting my offer. I'll give you my Instagram username, and please message me so I can give you the information you need to set up a page: elephant.922895 176.237.246.110 ↗ (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
::Hello again, I contacted you on Instagram but I haven't received a response. I would appreciate it if you could contact me again. 78.174.217.2 ↗ (talk) 13:05, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Can you Support me??

Hello, I’ve seen your edits — I was wondering if you could help me with a few topics??. Ömereditss (talk) 13:05, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

:Sure. I’d be happy to help. What topics do you need help with?  Zemen  (talk) 22:09, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
::I am currently working on the Timeline of Kurdish Uprisings ↗ page. Could you please help me complete this table by adding any Rebellions/Uprisings? Ömereditss (talk) 22:13, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
:::I’ve checked, and it looks like all major uprisings are already included in the table.  Zemen  (talk) 22:18, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Alright, alright. Do you use Discord? If not, it’s fine, but if you want, you can give your Discord so we can talk more openly. If you don’t want to, we can continue here, no problem. Ömereditss (talk) 22:48, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No thanks, it’s fine here. Talk about what?  Zemen  (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::Could you create an article about the Young Turks ↗’ perspective on the Kurds? It’s one of the topics I’m most curious about. Ömereditss (talk) 22:55, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Although this topic may not fully meet WP:N ↗, I’ll do my best to find sources and set up the article.  Zemen  (talk) 23:04, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Alright then, could you create an article about the 1877–1878 Bedirhan Osman Pasha rebellion? I have more than 10 sources about this rebellion. Ömereditss (talk) 23:06, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Sources:https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Gewaltgemeinschaften/iKjkEAAAQBAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=0
:::::::::https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Kürt_Ermeni_Coğrafyasının_Sosyopolit/CtqoEAAAQBAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=1&dq=bedirhan+osman+paşa+1877+1878&pg=PT85&printsec=frontcover
:::::::::https://www.google.nl/books/edition/İLK_VE_ORTA_KUŞAK_KÜRD_ÖNDER_VE_AYDI/0qpUEQAAQBAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=1&dq=bedirhan+osman+paşa+1877+1878&pg=PA81&printsec=frontcover
:::::::::https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Osmanlı_Kürt_ilişkileri_ve_sömürgec/BZugAAAAMAAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=1&bsq=bedirhan+osman+paşa+1877+1878+botan&dq=bedirhan+osman+paşa+1877+1878+botan&printsec=frontcover
:::::::::https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Kürtçülük_gerçeği/AoMtAQAAIAAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=1&bsq=bedirhan+osman+paşa+1877+1878+botan&dq=bedirhan+osman+paşa+1877+1878+botan&printsec=frontcover
:::::::::https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Aşiretçilik_Milliyetçilik_ve_İslamc/bFh9EAAAQBAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=1&dq=bedirhan+osman+paşa+1878+botan&pg=PA84&printsec=frontcover
:::::::::https://www.google.com.tr/books/edition/Rusya_nın_Doğu_Anadolu_Politikası/snNWEAAAQBAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=1&dq=1877+1878+bedirhan&pg=RA1-PR2&printsec=frontcover
:::::::::https://www.google.com.tr/books/edition/Osmanlı_nın_Doğu_Siyaseti/9OjAAgAAQBAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=1&dq=1877+1878+bedirhan&pg=PT29&printsec=frontcover
:::::::::https://www.google.com.tr/books/edition/Kürt_Ermeni_Coğrafyasının_Sosyopolit/CtqoEAAAQBAJ?hl=tr&gbpv=1&dq=1877+1878+bedirhan+osman+paşa+isyan&pg=PT85&printsec=frontcover Ömereditss (talk) 23:13, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::https://www.google.com.tr/books/edition/Kurdish_Notables_and_the_Ottoman_State/vEAu4L1oz_4C?hl=tr&gbpv=1&dq=1877+1878+bedirhan+osman+paşa&pg=PA152&printsec=frontcover Ömereditss (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Whenever I have time, I’ll start the article. Though, I don’t have much experience with Northern Kurdish topics, unfortunately, especially historical ones (I tend to make mistakes with these). I also have many unwritten articles on my list that I haven’t started yet, so this article might take a while. Thanks for sharing these sources.  Zemen  (talk) 23:20, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::No Problem. Ömereditss (talk) 23:21, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::{{done}}: 1877–1878 Osman Pasha Bedirkhan Revolt ↗  Zemen  (talk) 22:18, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thanks for doing it, but can you add the Assyrians to the Ottoman side? The Assyrians fought on the Ottoman side. Ömereditss (talk) 05:04, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thanks, can you create a page about the relationship between the Young Turks and the Kurds next time? Ömereditss (talk) 06:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::By the way, I just had a great idea: can you create an article titled Battle of Urmia, June 1918? It was a conflict between Ottoman-Kurdish forces and Assyrian and Armenian forces, and the Ottoman-Kurdish units were victorious. Having an article about this would be great. Ömereditss (talk) 18:29, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Sorry, I don’t have much knowledge about the Young turks and the Kurds, and I’m not able to find sources for it. As for the Battle of Urmia, maybe I can start it NEXT year⁈ I'm not sure, because I still have many unwritten articles on my list. Whenever I have time, I might work on it.  Zemen  (talk) 18:42, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::@User:Zemen The article mentioned by the user has been deleted twice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Urmia_(June_1918) ↗ (The article was previously created by sock) I don't think it would be a good idea to recreate it. I wish you success in your future Wikipedia career. Kajmer05 (talk) 18:56, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thanks for letting me know. I understand, it's probably best not to recreate it.  Zemen  (talk) 19:12, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Also, I've been seeing random people lately asking you to create pages on your talk page about Kurdish history. These are mostly articles created by users who have been blocked for sockpuppetry. I'd appreciate it if you could pay attention to this, thanks. Kajmer05 (talk) 14:34, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::What do you mean?? İ am Not Sockpuppet Ömereditss (talk) 14:37, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::I didn't call you sockpuppet. Kajmer05 (talk) 15:06, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::By the way, could you also create pages for the other Kurdish uprisings (like the Emin Ali Bedirkhan Revolt, Yezdanşer Uprising, Bedirkhan Beg Rebellion)? NEMURO (talk) 21:57, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::Sorry, I can’t. I’ve already explained why.  Zemen  (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::As my last request, could you add the Osman Pasha Bedirkhan Revolt ↗ page to the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) ↗ page in a way that connects them well? It would look nice that way. NEMURO (talk) 11:16, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::You created a nice table about the Bedirkhan family, but you forgot Osman Pasha Bedirkhan. NEMURO (talk) 07:05, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

About Battle of Ushno

The sources only said Turkish Defeating Not Persian Cossack Or Kurds so I changed The Battle please review 213.32.252.108 ↗ (talk) 14:28, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:Sorry for the late reply. I don’t know much about this article.  Zemen  (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

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Email

helloo! I would like to give you some resources about a Kurdish page, do you have an email so that I can contact you? 2A01:E0A:5EA:17E0:69C8:8B2C:7129:4A57 ↗ (talk) 13:55, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, I can’t share my email. What resources would you like to share? I don't understand.  Zemen  (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

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Correction: nominations are open until 23:59 (UTC) on 14 December 2025. {{smiley|blush}} MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:21, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Voting is now open for military historian of the year and newcomer of the year awards for 2025!

Voting is now open for the WikiProject Military History ↗ newcomer of the year ↗ and military historian of the year ↗ awards for 2025! The top editors will be awarded the coveted Gold Wiki. Cast your votes here ↗ and here ↗ respectively. Voting closes at 23:59 on 30 December 2025. On behalf of the coordinators, wishing you the very best for the festive season and the new year. MediaWiki message delivery via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:55, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

June 2026

I have removed your recent contributions at Fuad Hussein ↗ and Nizar Amidi ↗. Familiarize yourself with MOS:ETHNICITY ↗. Donkeykong71818 (talk) 15:34, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Wanna work together?

Im working on a article; PUK-Ansar al islam conflict, putting all the battles and history into one page, hit up my email. Other info is on my info page Typearan (talk) 12:12, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

:Hi @Typearan. I'm sorry, but I don't know much about those topics.  Zemen  (talk) 18:31, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
::Ok, brakam, if you wanted a partnership on other Kurdish topics, I'm your Kurdish man 😁! Typearan (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Regarding the Hawraz Gulpi article .

Hi Zemen

I’ve updated the Hawraz Gulpi article to fix the issues you mentioned. I made the tone more neutral, removed some private details that didn't have sources, and clarified the survey claims. Does it look okay now? Let me know if I can remove the tag .

Thanks . Hikmat-Maghdid (talk) 16:18, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:Hello Hikmat, your article has been moved to draft space until it is fully ready. It still needs more work to verify. Frankly, these individuals do not meet WP:N ↗, so it would be better to focus your efforts on a different topic.  Zemen  (talk) 05:47, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

"This article has multiple issues"

Can I ask how my sources are unreliable? Karim Khan Zand, especially the 347 page which I used is the foundational English source for Zand history. Arielsigurmundur (talk) 15:31, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

:The source I was pointing at is Farrokh's Iran at War: 1500–1988. Farrokh's reliability as a historian has been repeatedly disputed on Wikipedia, his background is in educational/counselling psychology, not history, and several editors have flagged his military-history books as more popular/nationalist-leaning than peer-reviewed academic work. Perry's two sources are fine. Zemen '''✧''' 11:53, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
::Alright Arielsigurmundur (talk) 11:54, 6 July 2026 (UTC)