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Hello Uamaol. You re-installed an obvious hoax and stupid joke on the Danish pastry ↗ page. Was it a mistake perhaps?

The page is currently under sporadic attack. Please do not escalate the problems there.

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February 2015

25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia ↗. You appear to be engaged in an edit war ↗ with one or more editors according to your reverts at :Girlicious ↗. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing ↗ another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process ↗, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus ↗ on the talk page ↗.

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: For 'future reference' after this gets archived (and I mentioned this to Uamaol on IRC) this was a somewhat 'pro-forma' warning of both parties... the edit war in question was over repeated section blanking by an IP, who continued the blanking after logging in to a sleeper account and was temp blocked after an AN3 report. While Uamaol 'technically' violated 3RR, I don't think (he?) was really 'at fault' for doing so, and this should be interpreted more as a 'new editor indiscretion' due to a lack of familiarity with how to handle the matter than an indication of 'contentious behavior'. Reventtalk 13:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

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Britain or Great Britain ↗ is the largest island in the British Isles. The UK ↗ or United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country. The edit you self-reverted was actually correct, the IP editor is wrong. Regards, W C ↗Memail ↗ 19:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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Welcoming note - Reply

Hi there UAMAOL, (formerly known as) ALWAYSLEARNING here,

I had an account (name above), but decided to have it vanished after a serious run-in with a troll (more details here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107, quite "charming" the person, then taunted me even more when I went to the pages of my wikifriends to notify them of my departure by writing there "Bye AL"), with the intention of leaving forever. Guess I cannot, I'm "hooked"... I have been here for almost nine years by the way.

For the moment, don't see the purpose of creating a new account. Plus, this IP is static, so I'm easily caught for good or bad.

Best wishes for you too, happy editing --84.90.219.128 ↗ (talk) 02:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I completely understand where you are coming from, all a matter of conversing with the other party if I feel I'm being unfairly reverted. Happy week! --84.90.219.128 ↗ (talk) 02:52, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks, I feel humbled (darn, I can't return the favour without an account, will I get another one after all?)... Saúde ("cheers" in Portuguese ↗)! --84.90.219.128 ↗ (talk) 03:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

He knows "a thing or two" about kicking a ball, hopefully we'll see some displays of that today ;) --84.90.219.128 ↗ (talk) 19:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Abandoned Articles

I am no longer involved in Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Articles ↗ only on Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories ↗ and Wikiquote. Miszatomic (talk) 23:21, 24 Feruary 2015 (UTC)

Editing conventions

Please read WP:BOLD ↗. It's up to you to justify your edit, particularly your claim that Newfoundland is a primary division of Irish, or indeed that it's a single dialect at all. — kwami (talk) 23:09, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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:Your edit is still unsupported. Unless you have evidence, I will continue to revert you. And don't be an ass by posting BS on my talk page. — kwami (talk) 21:15, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Second warning

People have been thanking me for reverting your edits. Even if you have evidence to support them, per BOLD you should take them to the talk page. Your edits, up to you to prove them. So far all you've done is to deny yourself. — kwami (talk) 01:58, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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Note that reverting (and blocking) an editor who evades their block via open proxies ↗ does not constitute edit warring. Materialscientist (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
:You misunderstand, this is a banned user ↗, thus see above. Materialscientist (talk) 10:13, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Assume good faith and what it means.

Deleting incorrect information and explaining why the information is incorrect does not in any way violate the rules on assuming good faith.

However reverting that correction simply because it was made by an IP user does violate it. Making threats to that user is hardly assuming good faith either.

Sort yourself out or I will have to take this further. 86.170.4.253 ↗ (talk) 22:14, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
:There's a problem when you threaten that someone 'will not be tolerated' when all they have done is made good faith edits and explained why the edits were made and why the original information was wrong. There's also a problem when you revert those edits purely because they are from an IP user (you admit doing this), which is in clear violation of Assume good faith. Then after reading what the edits made were and realising they were valid you (re)incorporated some of them back in to the article but missed part off. You are not the gatekeeper to Wikipedia, it is not up to you to maintain a tight grip on your 'pet' articles and revert first and ask questions later. You like to throw around threats against people who aren't violating policy (including nonsense about sock puppetry, do you not know what an IP address is?) but feel threatened yourself when your believe your frequent and blatant violations of policy will come to the attention of other, perhaps more senior users? The fact that you seem to believe that other people following Wikipedia policy is a direct threat to you but that it's acceptable for you to threaten other people who haven't violated policy seems the clearest indicator of all that you know you are in the wrong. The messages from other users on this page only further confirm that you don't believe Wikipedia policy applies to you and and also you think you own personal and made up rules apply to everyone else. 86.170.4.253 ↗ (talk) 12:51, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

(TPS, per request) Maybe just a case of a terrible misunderstanding here people, quite sure. Yes Uamaol, the IP user may use a ton of IPs and not be socking at all (a dynamic IP versus a standard - like mine - one). But maybe you thought he was and thus related his actions to vandalism? I think all can be sorted out through peaceful dialogue, no need to take anything "further" for the time being.

Happy 2016 to both (and please, fellow IP, before anything else is blown out of proportion, I only dropped my two cents because Uamaol asked me to on my talkpage), from Portugal --84.90.219.128 ↗ (talk) 19:30, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

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I see you've added things claiming "multiple issues" with the article. Can you give some examples of these issues, e.g. by quoting from it? I'm particularly interested in why you feel "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject". What leads you to claim that? Thanks. CurrentUK (talk) 10:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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I could really use your help on Cyber Defense Labs, thanks DrSchlagger (talk) 09:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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I could use some help on tone neutrality for the Cyber Defense Labs Draft Entry. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cyber_Defense_Labs> I'm tearing my hair out it read like every other entry for companies in this category, and I have about 25 more companies in this space to profile, for the cyber security project, it is taking weeks to get this one through. Please help DrSchlagger 2f6o5oahqu11:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

:{{ping|DrSchlagger}}25 more companies? How come? Uamaol (talk) 23:45, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

::There is a wiki project on cyber security and cyber security companies. It is very sparse. Wikipedia has article on every starlet who has ever bared her chest on tv or cinema, every Indy filmmaker who does a coffee house release or some obscure film about his/her/its feeling about society. But there is a war going on that the western world is losing, it is fought by small companies and it departments against state sponsored actors. I know something about this fight I have seen the Iranians, Chinese Russian and other take over our critical infrastructure. I have called the FBI, CERT and others in the government and heard their apologies and excuses and watched as they did nothing. Then you call a small company and they drop what they are doing, rush over whether its the middle of the night or on a weekend, and they take care of the problem. People wonder why I'm passionate about this subject ? It's not because I work for one of these companies, its because I've seen them respond when the safety of drinking water or gas pipelines is at stake. I plan to do a series of interconnecting articles on the entire ecosystem of cyber security. If I can get past the deletionists who now seem to control all submissions. Its easy to run edit number up by simply denying everything reflexively. I'm asking for help getting something published. I have made every single change everyone has suggested. I see lots of less notable things published, there are thousands of stubs and article with no sources whatsoever, but in the AFC que people act like publication is some kind of special event. Cyber security and critical infrastructure are only matters of life and death for individuals and our civilization, it would be nice to see them covered with the same thoroughness as the pop-star of the week on some self congratulatory awards show. DrSchlagger (talk) 11:35, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

:::{{ping|DrSchlagger}}Most articles which you see with very little or no references, are so because when they were created, the encyclopædia was in its infancy, and so far, those articles have not yet reached the attention of editors either with an interest in the topic, or one of the many groups that work solely on expanding articles. You're quarrel is clearly with the draft review process, something I personally have not ever gone through. Notability in print and click with notable, independent sources as well as material not written like a promotion is what would be acceptable for an article. I can see your viewpoint that such services should receive coverage, but small companies, especially non-notable ones, do not meet the scope of WP. On the subject matter, I know many individuals who work within cyber security who would agree that as an industry, it isn't very well established or widely known about. Even the larger firms are pretty much unknown outside the hacker community, let alone the world as a whole. Whilst it may be useful to let people know who exists and has done what, it can be concluded that as said article will likely get very few hits and it could be assumed that its creation was for promotion only (seeWP:PROMOTION ↗); Therefore it will likely receive an AfD tag (see WP:AFD ↗). If you want to expand the area of cyber security, I suggest focusing upon the larger companies and of the technologies and nomenclature, first. There are many areas, particularly within the history and jargon of the subject which are lacking attention, as well as with extension to numerous other computer science topics. Uamaol (talk) 21:37, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

::::By the current "broken" notability guidelines there are no cyber security companies big enough to be notable, General Dynamics Mission Systems and GE Energy systems are apparently not significant enough to be "notable" and they do billions in business a year and push technology forward. sot the guardians of notability are going to turn an encyclopedia into a pop culture wasteland because that is what gets coverage in the main stream press. I'm starting to remember what I quit spending my time editing here 8 years ago and why most of the founders have moved on. but after I spend my 90 days in purgatory I will be eligible to be on the AFC project and I can get this back to the way it should be. DrSchlagger (talk) 23:49, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|DrSchlagger}}You are missing the many scientific, geographical and historical articles which exist on WP. The number of articles which people make for living persons and companies which get rejected is a bit ridiculous. If the foundation allowed anything to be accepted, then WP would be a much worse off place. Plus, mentions in the press may denote notability, but it doesn't mean that is written is correct. The press often gets alot of things wrong, especially facts. If there are larger companies which are not covered, but that you believe would be of notability, go ahead and create articles for them. A company like the above, which people even in the industry have never heard of, and probably isn't very well known outside the USA probably has very little note for mention. On notability: "the topic must have been covered in mainstream media or major academic journal sources that are independent of the article's subject. Further, WP intends to convey only knowledge that is already established and recognized." Cyber Security Labs reads like a promotion for the company. Most of the article, especially "Filling the Personnel Gap" & "CDL In the Cyber Community" looks like something you'd find on its website, and would therefore be deemed as uncyclopædic. The style of writing makes it sound more like an advertisement, which WP is not for. ND: can you please not remove the indentation marks, it makes it very difficult to read. Uamaol (talk) 16:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

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Always Learning

Hi there UAMAOL, feeling is mutual,

i created another account (Be Quiet AL) after getting tired of editing logged off, then god fed up again and "received" this new IP after an overhaul to my computer (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:85.242.133.151). Now, as you can see from the banner on the top of that page, i am going on another long hiatus (this time probably for good, ten years and eight days are a pretty good run overall), working in real life for a change :)

Attentively, from Portugal --85.242.133.151 ↗ (talk) 21:34, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Matter of fact, i never managed to stay away for very long like intended :) --85.242.133.151 ↗ (talk) 18:13, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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::May well be. I don't like to see editors get blocked for trying to keep pages OK. The 3RR rule can be easily breached without realising it, if you need to do a 3rd or more edit then you must make sure the edit summary claims a valid exemption under WP:3RRNO ↗ (and there are not many reasons there!), otherwise someone will just count 1,2,3,4 - block 24 hours! I've seen it happen. Ronhjones  (Talk) 03:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Ronhjones}} Fair enough. I would have assumed that exemptions 4 & 5 would apply here but fair doos with the edit summaries but my big reverts were Twinkle's vandalism revert so it annoyingly doesn't let you add a summary. User kept removing content and adding material copied from (a) website(s). Thanks again for your concern. :) Uamaol (talk) 03:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
::::Something to suggest to improve Twinkle perhaps? Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:58, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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On the rv of the rv.... I agree that "flop" is subjective, but Christopher Walken is not the star of Kangaroo Jack ↗, and according to CinemaBlend (here ↗) he has "five minutes of screen time" in the film. This review at a Detroit paper says, "Unfortunately for Kangaroo Jack, Walken and the kangaroo get a fairly equal amount of screen time, which is to say not much at all." here ↗ Pittsburgh Post Gazette says "doesn't have alot of screen time" here ↗. As the current lede says, Walken has appeared in over 100 films, and frankly Kangaroo Jack is not notable enough to include in the list of examples, and frankly wikilinking it violates the spirit of WP:CONTEXTLINK ↗. Finally, you do realize that this movie was added to the lede quite recently by an IP user who has never edited any other article, and did this addition on April 1? --Krelnik (talk) 13:00, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Krelnik}} That's enough evidence for me to warrant an "rv of the rv of the rv" hahahaha :) On the matter of the IP and their single edit, I like to assume good faith with IP users as there are some pretty prolificly constructive ones out there (see my wikifriend "Always Learning", an individual who has contributed MASSIVELY to Spanish football articles and who prefers being an IP user for some reason, here: Special:Contributions/85.242.133.151 ↗ as an example). Just because its a first edit doesn't mean much either, as sometimes registered users edit away from home or (like myself) forget they're not logged in and leave the world seeing their IP! Hopefully no hard feelings chap! :) UaMaol (talk) 22:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
::OK, thanks. I went ahead and removed Kangaroo Jack from the lede. --Krelnik (talk) 14:12, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Uamaol, rather than make yet another bad edit, I would be obliged if you could add the following new source to the Irish slaves myth ↗ article on my behalf. I'll really have to take tuition on how to do this myself! Fergananim (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2017 (UTC) http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/22134360-09101056
:{{ping|Fergananim}} Ah yes, that bane of an article. If I was Jimmy Wales I would perma-delete it, hahahaha. Was there a specific page you wanted to reference or just the entire journal? UaMaol (talk) 19:02, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
::Not at present; so long as it is added, it can be edited at leisure. Fergananim (talk) 12:27, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Fergananim}} Done. The wikicode in in the Irish slaves myth#Background ↗ section. If you want to cite something inline, which can be at the end of a paragraph of text if you wish, you can now use <code><nowiki><ref name="NWIG"/></nowiki></code> in that article, which makes it easier to add content, if that was your original aim. :) UaMaol (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hello. The edit was reverted by me since the editor in the previous edits claimed that the king of Spain still '''is''' king of Gibraltar, with Elizabeth II "only" being head of state (don't me ask me to explain the logic in that...). The Spanish use of the title "king of Gibraltar" is also relevant only for the article named King of Gibraltar ↗, not the article about Gibraltar ↗ itself, since Spain gave up sovereignty over Gibraltar in 1713. - '''Tom''' | Thomas.W ''''' talk''''' 19:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Thomas.W}} Maybe so, but Elizabeth II is still the Duke of Normandy (not Duchess) despite her ancestors relinquishing any claim over continental Normandy and other French claims in the Treaty of Paris in 1259. The Normandy article mentions this fact in the lead, along with how she is still known by the title in the Channel Islands, which were exempt from the treaty. Also, this conversation would be better suited on the respective talk page. UaMaol (talk) 20:12, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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{{ping|User:E.M.Gregory}} ooh, I just noticed this. It's not often you get recognition for stuff. I might put this on my user page. ;) By "toast" I assume you are referring to the Toastmasters International ↗ article. There's not a great deal of media reporting on them but Google Books is worth a look when you can't find any news stories. The two gems I pulled up are evidence of that, the 1970 one is the jewel on the two. They certainly do seem incredibly shy and that nearly all media presence comes from clubs or districts themselves. If you liked those, check out the 1966 one I have just added, along with loads of other references. UaMaol (talk) 01:34, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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I removed the bottom section because hearsay about how close someone may be to someone else doesn't exactly seem relevant, reliable or even useful. And unless you're going through every Councillor in Hartlepool and listing what job they held previously I don't see why it's relevant.--TacticalDiplomacy (talk) 10:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|TacticalDiplomacy}} It may not seem relevant, but it explains how a councillor from Hartlepool managed to get in the good books and become and MEP for the Brexit party. The job mentioned is in the Guardian article (<nowiki><ref name="G1"></nowiki>) also, I didn't add it because the Guardian article doesn't mention the source although it is clear where they got the information from. His connection with UKIP, including the time in which he was a councillor for the party, is relevant as he is a politician and political associations fall well within the scope of the article. It could potentially do with a rewrite, but removing content including references because you don't agree with it is vandalism.UaMaol (talk) 23:04, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

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{{Diff||prev|926912378|Looks like I've finally gotten through somewhat}}. '''''A'''dd'''W'''itty'''''''N'''ame'''H'''ere'' 06:04, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|AddWittyNameHere}}, I wouldn't be so confident. Do you want to explain WP:COPYVIO ↗ to them or should we leave it to someone else? I'd do it myself, but I doubt they'll appreciate it even if I am technically helping them. See here ↗ and here ↗.UaMaol (talk) 01:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
:::I'll give it a try, yeah. I don't think he's acting in ''bad'' faith, but he sure is making just about every mistake a newbie that starts out in a conflict-prone area like India-Pakistan can make. ''sigh'' (Other than "stop that hostility" and "no, that's a copyvio", I'll also try and get the notion of Neutral Point of View in his head, but one thing at a time...)
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:::Explained it and dealt with the actual violating content while I was at it, at least in those two articles. Were there any other cases of Edward committing copyvios that you know of? '''''A'''dd'''W'''itty'''''''N'''ame'''H'''ere'' 19:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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European Microscopy Society ↗

The rule of categorisation is that articles should be categorised at the lowest possible level of the heirarchy. The EMS does not need to be in the Microscopy category because the superior categories are in it. Rathfelder (talk) 13:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Rathfelder}} Fair enough, but if this is the case then remove the Microscopy cat then. I see no reason to remove the IFSM cat however as this is a member of said organisation. UaMaol (talk) 13:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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ICC and NCC

Hi Uamaol, my knowledge is mainly track racing but I do have a few old books (mainly from the 1930s but some others) which also cover coursing info. I have done some coursing bits, for example I tried to complete the winners list on the Waterloo Cup ↗. Anyway happy to add info from the books to a GSB/NCC article that you create, or supply the book titles if that helps. Meanwhile I will also try to add a little more to the ICC page. Racingmanager (talk) 11:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Uamaol, I have added a couple of bits to the ICC page, feel free to edit as you see fit. I will create a National Coursing Club page to get things started. Racingmanager (talk) 10:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Racingmanager}} Thanks for replying and your additions. Personally I try to avoid primary sources as much as possible, especially websites, excluding an about us/history page like I did already. This is the reason I enquired. Your additions to the ICC are very good, but it would be nice to have non-primary sources. I never thought about looking at the GBGB, especially considering the ICC's control over race tracks. The pre-1921 vibe of this whole niche sport makes it even more interesting to myself as an outsider. +1 also for creating a NCC page, however I would have preferred to have left it as a draft until more sources are found, especially ones which vary. I am a little cautious to put the ICC down as a :Category:Conservation organisations based in Ireland ↗, however the fact that there is an article from an academic journal by researchers at a reliable institution, with a RS newspaper source reporting on it makes it plausible enough, if you see what I mean. These are the kinds of sources, whilst obviously very difficult to find relevant ones for us, which are top tier in my opinion of reliability. Next are books, then newspapers, then national news websites, then magazines, then local news websites, etc. I am pretty sure that there must be some of the above which mention the NCC, especially older ones. There are ones for the ICC, however this is more to do with coursing be far more of a cultural past time in Ireland than in Britain. Most people seem quiet ignorant of Greyhound racing, let alone hare coursing in GB so it doesn't surprise me a great deal. If you do happen to come across anything which may be of use to the ICC, NCC or potentially another organisation that clearly should have a Wiki page relating to this sport, let me know and I will look into it. Lesser known topics, especially organisations, are one of my main Wiki interests! I wish you a very Happy Easter my friend! :) UaMaol (talk) 00:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, be aware that if an article does not have a specific language template applied then the article more or less reverts to American English in its spelling and language usage. As Toastmasters International is headquartered in Denver then it makes sense that American English is the norm here. I see your edits have been reverted. Neils51 (talk) 03:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Neils51}} Can you please quote the exact policy that says this is "more or less" this is the case? I will gladly open an RFC if such is the case, especially taking into account the fact that Commonwealth English is far greater than American. Regarding it being based in a certain place doesn't strictly mean the article should reflect the style used there. Facebook is widely listed as being an American company, however is clearly an international on. Of the case for Facebook not being American is that it's main headquarters are in Dublin in Ireland. UaMaol (talk) 20:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|UaMaol}} I think the non-definitive definitive statement is here MOS:ENGVAR ↗. It probably needs to be worded this way as the US does not have an official language (though States may have). Irrespective, I think that unless an article has an explicit language template then you will have an uphill battle. You could try putting an EngVar/BE language template on articles that are considered to be US institutions however good luck with that. Neils51 (talk) 01:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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Uamaol, I've gone through the sources and been pretty active on the talk page. I can explain my changes in more detail there as well. You actually deleted the quotation from the source itself. My edits could be parsed out better though. In any case, it was not a blanket removal of material. Just wanted to inform you. 119.155.0.8 ↗ (talk) 04:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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I've been trying to provide updates to the above wikipage that you created but an editor Vif12vf, keeps on reverting changes even when the evidence is provided as follows:

<http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP6719> this link is the latest registration of VAPP with UK EC with George Reid as Leader.

<https://www.ukvpp.org/> this link is the official VAPP website and not the one currently seen on the wikipage <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_and_People%27s_Party>

Is there anyway you can help with ensuring this page is factual and current. Vif12vf persists in having the party labelled Right-Wing with no evidence to support such a label yet VAPP website and manifesto has them identified as Centrist. I have googled and found no sources that indicate the party to be Right-Wing. Your assistance is greatly appreciatedDingapottamuss (talk) 18:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

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Please refer to the following Wikipedia policies in relation to your editing:

1. See WP:OWN ↗ Template:In use ↗ Template was placed more than 24 hours ago, last edit more than 5 hours ago. "Specifying periods of around a day or longer for this template goes against the spirit of simply avoiding edit conflicts...If this template has been left in place for more than two hours since the last edit, you may assume the placing editor has forgotten to remove it, and you may remove it yourself"
You have blocked editing by others of the article with the InUse for more than 24 hours sometimes with several hours between editing - in contravention of this policy, and a breach of WP:OWN ↗
2. See WP:BLPSELFPUB ↗ WP:BLPSELFPUB ↗ "Use of self-published source by the subject himself...Such material may be used as a source only if: it does not involve claims about third parties;[d] If a self-published denial does additionally make claims about third parties, those additional claims do fall under this criteria, and do not merit inclusion in Wikipedia". Likewise where copied and repeated by the subject's personal friend.
I share the concern that WP:BLP ↗ should have WP:RELIABLE ↗ non-self published sources, and Wikipedia policies therefore do not allow the subject's self-published sources to make claims about third parties
3. See WP:PUBLICFIGURE ↗ WP:BLPPUBLIC ↗ The subject is a public figure. "If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it". The Church of England Newspaper ↗ is a respected and authoritative source where the newspaper's Editor reports on the current official live legal Clergy Discipline Measure 2003 against the subject, and this source is quoted directly without editor comment or opinion. See WP:NPOV ↗ balance of material.
In relation to WP:NPOV ↗ you have reverted or deleted respected, reliable and independent sources pertaining to the subject, without explanation, while keeping self-published sources.
This is disruptive editing. WhiteHartInn (talk) 00:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
:I am happy to discuss with you collaboration in the editing of the page to avoid edit conflict. WhiteHartInn (talk) 00:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|WhiteHartInn}}
::I previously asked you nicely to stop editing the article due to edit conflicts, yet you persisted, which in itself is disruptive editing. You have since reverted my edits twice now. As I previously stated, I am actively making a major edit to the article, therefore to actively abide by the two hour guideline you mentioned is not assuming good faith. Instead of continually using the edit summaries as your soapbox, put something in the article talk page and ping me.
::Your last edits to the article were back in December and consisted solely of a self-published source consisting of a letter complaint, and before this every edit since your account creation on 6 September 2023 has been minor copy editing. The contributions that I am allegedly blocking are actually complaints about my editing and not new content. It's interesting that you are mentioning WP:OWN ↗ as your actions are showing perceived ownership of the article.
::The self-published source that you keep removing is there as a direct link to the source of the secondary source provided (City Matters). As per WP:SECONDARY ↗: ''A secondary source provides thought and reflection based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event. It contains analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources.'' There's a single self-published source as opposed to "sources", which technically complies with WP:ABOUTSELF ↗. This partially breaks rule #2 of "not involv[ing] claims about third parties", however the source relates directly towards what the subject has experienced, and involves a secondary source beside it for scrutiny.
::I agree with you about NPOV, however when I found this article whilst reading about City of London ward elections I was shocked at how heavily libellous it was and gave undue weight towards negative allegations against the subject, coupled with awful sourcing. The state it was in would have given Campbell-Taylor sufficient grounds to sue the Wikimedia Foundation on the grounds of defamation and part our duty as editors we must strive towards preventing such. As per WP:LIBEL ↗ ''[sic] It is the responsibility of all contributors to ensure that the material posted on Wikipedia is not defamatory. It is a Wikipedia policy to immediately delete libelous material when it has been identified... Libelous material (otherwise known as defamation) is reasonably likely to damage a person or company's reputation and could expose Wikipedia to legal consequences.'' As per WP:UNDUE ↗ ''Undue weight can be given in several ways, including but not limited to the depth of detail, the quantity of text, prominence of placement, the juxtaposition of statements, and the use of imagery.''
::As per WP:AGF ↗, ''Assuming good faith (AGF) means assuming that people are not deliberately trying to hurt Wikipedia, even when their actions are harmful. This is a fundamental principle on Wikipedia. Most people try to help the project, not hurt it. If this were untrue, a project like Wikipedia would be doomed from the beginning.''
::Wikipedia's fifth pillar (WP:5P5 ↗) '''Wikipedia has no firm rules:''' ''Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone; their content and interpretation can evolve over time. The principles and spirit matter more than literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making exceptions. Be bold, but not reckless, in updating articles. And do not agonize over making mistakes: they can be corrected easily because (almost) every past version of each article is saved.''
::I have no issues with negative press on individuals, and am guilty of adding it on other BLPs, however some of the content that was present is very fishy, in contrast to some that I have found of the internet, including in the sources, which is downright bonkers. The solution to the stalement is to ignore articles with inuse tags and come back to them a few days afterwards and remove them if unnecessary. On the matter of NPOV, I am happy to collaborate.UaMaol (talk) 02:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::It is good we are talking. Firstly, I have never reverted any of your edits. In accordance with my reading of what seemed clearly stated Wikipedia policies for Template:In use ↗ and time limits for that, and as per WP:AGF ↗ I saw your InUse template hanging for well over 2 hours with no editing by you - and in good faith I followed policy - and did not revert your edits, which I have never done, but edited myself including adding verifiably sourced content. If you had communicated with me and explained that you were going to be doing your major edit for X length of time, I would have understood and of course left it to you for that whole specified period, but instead you simply reverted my edit, and maintained the tag for much longer than the Wikipedia policies state - without explanation, giving the impression of WP:OWN ↗. But that is water under the bridge and it is good we are communicating now.
:::As I have reached out to you, I am happy to collaborate to achieve WP:CONSENSUS ↗ on the article.
:::In relation to content, the retention of self-published material by the subject that makes allegations about third parties - particularly when the said third party has brought live, active legal proceedings against the subject for alleged abuse offences - is not merely a partial breach of rule #2 of WP:ABOUTSELF ↗, it is an evident breach. It is also a breach in England of Section 1 of the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Acts 1992 to 2003, prohibiting any publication which may indirectly identify a purported victim of an alleged offence, which some of what the subject's blog says does. It is widely known that the journalist who rehearses in her articles what the subject says is a close friend-cum-ex-partner of the subject. While her first article about the distribution of flyers during the election might be argued to be as you say WP: SECONDARY ↗ "A secondary source provides thought and reflection based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event"...her second article which is a blog and plainly a verbatim copy-and-paste job from the subject's self-published personal blog in which he attacks and makes self-published claims about an alleged victim who has filed complaints and instituted legal proceedings against the subject for alleged offences - that is not a genuinely independent secondary source.
:::In relation to achieving WP:NPOV ↗ in content and space of content, the allegations by the subject against third parties need to be balanced against the reported fact that his alleged victim has brought official legal proceedings against the subject who is a Public figure ↗ - and we both agree that robustly independent, trustworthy and reliable sources need to apply. On both sides. The sources written by the Editor of a national Church of England newspaper is such a robust, independent and reliable source. In order to achieve dispassionate neutrality, I have always simply quoted directly verbatim from the independent reliable source without any commentary or paraphrasing of my own.
:::As you suggest, I am happy to let a few days pass, and then re-engage in editing towards WP:NPOV ↗. I have no problem with the other content you have added to the article which is fair enough. WhiteHartInn (talk) 09:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
::::I have just discovered this reply and I'm a tad blown away by some of the things you've brought to the table. Firstly, you reverted my edits twice on 12 February. As previously stated about policies ''they are not carved in stone.'' Before editing this article I had no reason to be in contact with you, therefore would have no reason to alert you about edits. It was not obvious before deciding to edit this article that you would be be so protective over its contents.
::::Consensus can be made, but you keep stating in edit summaries that consensus has already been established when it very clearly has not been!
::::I have removed the self-published source, however I only had it in there to back up the secondary source. On Wikipedia it's very common to see a secondary source followed by a primary one, so a news article about a tweet followed by the actual tweet, for example.
::::If you genuinely believe that the blog and the article by City Matters does indeed break the law then take it up with the City of London Police ↗. Regardless of legality, if it's published, like these two sources are, it's fair game. They were both published almost six and half years ago. Are you trying to imply that I am committing an offence in adding the sources? Where exactly in the blog does he identify the alleged victim?
::::{{tq|''It is widely known that the journalist who rehearses in her articles what the subject says is a close friend-cum-ex-partner of the subject.''}} Widely known by who exactly? I tried Googling her twice and found nothing. What's your source of this alleged COI? Do you know her personally?
::::It's interesting that you complain about a "copy-and-paste job" when you keep insisting on keeping your own contributions of the very same nature. News articles and encyclopæedias are not the same things and require different writing styles. Excessive quotation is not encyclopædic and is honestly lazy editing. You do it too much and your individual edits will literally be deleted (not even just reverted) by an admin for WP:COPYVIO ↗.
::::I've seen no indication that the Church of England Newspaper (COEN) is a reliable source. It's a glorified religious newsletter. City Matters is questionably reliable also, however as a local newspaper it has some level of notability as a source. COEN is independent of the Church of England and is privately run by the for-profit company, ''Political and Religious Intelligence Ltd.'' The Church Times ↗ has at least three times the circulation, also.
::::Do not insert excessive quotes, paraphrase. UaMaol (talk) 02:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Cordless Larry}} Which article are the referring to? My edit summaries show me showing attribution. UaMaol (talk) 17:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
::It came to my attention via this ↗ and this ↗. Those edit summaries don't meet the requirement to disclose the copying and link to the copied page that's outlined in my message above. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Attribution was clearly given in first edit summary. For the second, it would be reasonable to assume the source was the former, especially as the contents of the former is in the latter. UaMaol (talk) 23:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
::::And the link? Cordless Larry (talk) 06:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::You've provided them both. UaMaol (talk) 00:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::What I meant was, you've not been including links to the source article in your edit summaries when copying material, which is part of the attribution requirements. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::You say that like it's a prolific problem, when in reality it's three and a half edits within 8 minutes. UaMaol (talk) 17:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::It wasn't a comment on the extent of the problem (I haven't checked whether you'd made this mistake before) but an explanation of what you failed to do. I suggest that rather than arguing, you just fix the attribution. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm not arguing at all. How does one edit an edit summary? Is that even a thing? UaMaol (talk) 16:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Unfortunately it's not possible, but you can make a dummy edit (for example, just adding a space somewhere) and accompany it with a new edit summary. How to do this is explained at WP:RIA ↗. You could also use :Template:Copied ↗ on the talk pages of the source and destination articles. Thanks for your co-operation. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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