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<blockquote style="background: rgba(14, 255, 2, 0.1); color: green;">> Go ahead read WP:CIVIL ↗, WP:LEGAL ↗, WP:WQ ↗, WP:AGF ↗ and WP:NPA ↗. I might not respond swiftly to talk messages, and that's okay. ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 05:46, 17 June 2026 (UTC)</blockquote>

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700dandalv (talk) 11:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

One aircraft, two aircraft etc

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Hello. The correct plural of {{tq|aircraft}} is also {{tq|aircraft}}. Hope this helps, best wishes, DBaK (talk) 16:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you for telling me, I forgot about that. Your free to edit the page ↗ if this is bothering you! ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 02:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::You're welcome, and thank you for the note. Yes it does bother me, and that is why I corrected it ↗ ''before'' coming here to leave a note for you. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Your welcome, thanks for correcting my mistake. Best regards. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 07:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please reconsider

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Campssitie, as a new editor, I strongly suggest you find other activities that help improve the encylcopedia other than participating at WP:ANI ↗. No one with just over a hundred edits should have 20% of those edits be on an Admin noticeboard. While input from non-admins is permitted, it is generally expected that those engaging in a discussion have a strong understanding of various Wikipedia policies and guidelines and are able to provide a policy-grounded perspective to the discussions they participate in. Comments such as this ↗ and this ↗ aren't particularly helpful. I understand that there is a draw to the drama when a new editor discovers admin noticeboards, but it really is best not to get caught up in it, it rarely ends well.-- '''Ponyo'''''bons mots'' 19:37, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:The user @Fortuna Imperator Mundi has already notified me about this, thanks for the suggestion! I have already lessened my discussing at ANI, and have been implementing measures to stop myself from talking too much. Thank you.
:P.S. Is it ok if I lurk at '''ANI''' but not reply? ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 19:43, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::No one can stop you from reading or monitoring any part of Wikipedia.-- '''Ponyo'''''bons mots'' 19:46, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I came here to say the same thing. And, while no one can ''stop'' you from lurking at ANI, I'd really recommend that you don't. It's a seedy place. Don't get jaded. -- asilvering (talk) 13:21, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I know, this is why I have not been responding, and told everyone that.
::::Thank you and @Ponyo for bringing this up, moreover, I don’t want to potentially get involved in any more conflicts and I also apologise for getting involved in mutilple situations while at my time here at Wikipedia, I have been taking measures to stop myself from responding at ANI. Best regards :) ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 16:36, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{tpw}} Whatever those measures were, they don't ↗ seem to be working ↗ ... '''—'''''Fortuna'' ↗, imperatrix 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Isn't the second link archiving a discussion? I'll stop that if it counts as participating.
::::::It's also hard to keep a promise sometimes if you're currently addicted to talking in admin boards and giving advice. Don't worry, will get better now! Thanks for telling me my measures do not work whatsoever.
::::::Moreover, some '''good news''': I have been making more edits to article space! Great way of participating :) ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 15:10, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Clerking ANI is both highly discouraged and very definitely "participating at ANI". -- asilvering (talk) 16:47, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Didn't know, I'll add that to my measures as well, thanks! ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 17:36, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
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Red links

Hi, see Wikipedia:Red link ↗. If a red wikilink relates to a "notable and verifiable" subject, then it should not be removed. It shows that there is an article to be created.

Don't be discouraged by discovering bits of guidance/policy you didn't know about. There's a large amount around, and even very experienced editors won't know all of it! Peter coxhead (talk) 07:30, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, you can re-add the links that I accidently removed. Cheers! ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 11:22, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

thank you!

Hi Campssitie, just wanted to say that I appreciate your helping newcomers at the Village Pump. I hope things improve for you soon, and I admire that you are able to do this even during a tough time. (I'd make a banner here but I'm a newbie myself....) M kuhner (talk) 18:50, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

:It's fine lol, your welcome!
:Also, by village pump you mean WP:TEAHOUSE ↗ right? ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 04:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, sorry.
::I am trying to fix an article that got 2500 words of AI content added a year ago. Now my brain is mush. M kuhner (talk) 07:33, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Don't worry, it's ''completely'' cool. I make mistakes too, it's part of being human and that's ok.
:::Also, if it's turning your brain into mush, it might not be a one-person job. If you need help identifying signs of LLM writing, go ahead n' go here ↗!
:::Cheersies. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 09:51, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks! The text isn't so much a problem, it's the citations to sources that either don't exist or don't say what they claim to say. I have read more scientific papers this week than I do in a month in my day job! M kuhner (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Mhm, you're very welcome! I've tried to help the article out, but I'm guessing the text is a separate problem entirely ↗. I removed an obvious "Not X, but Y" statement for starters in the '''Behavior''' section. I'll go ahead and quote it below:
:::::{{tq|These findings suggest that vocalizations in ''Hypocnemis'' species are '''not''' only crucial for reproductive isolation and species delimitation, '''but''' also mediate social interactions and behavioral coordination.}}
:::::Should it be tagged with <nowiki>{{More citations needed}}</nowiki> ↗, along with <nowiki>{{Ai-generated}}</nowiki> ↗? {{grey|(we prob need a while to fix all of the AI slop ↗...)}} ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 16:33, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::I have traced the AI slop to a student who did it in one edit a year ago and doesn't seem to have done anything since. Do you think tagging the article is useful, given that?
::::::I'm focused on just trying to get rid of false and unsourced material (like the Plumage Table, now gone, which was close to 100% falsehoods). Thanks for taking a look at the article! My current biggest problem is references to offline books that I don't have access to.
::::::I'm also trying to gather energy for merging in Warbling Antbird ↗ since the RfD discussion seems to be tending that way. Never done anything like that before, but much of Warbling Antbird ↗ was also AI (from the same editor) so can just be deleted.
::::::When I created my account, Wikipedia suggested I look at Warbling Antbird ↗ for "5-10 minutes of copy-editing." Famous last words! M kuhner (talk) 17:59, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Your welcome ''haha'', 99% sure it's 5-10 hours instead.
:::::::For your question though, I'm pretty sure. It would take a ''while'' to clean up all the LLM stuff and the citation issues, including the fact it would attract more editors to this glaring issue. That would help us significantly.
:::::::For the merging discussion, I haven't parted in any merging in my life, but I think I could help. :)
:::::::I'll try my best to clean up most of the WP:AISIGNS ↗ and WP:AIPUFFERY ↗ from both articles, but I think it would be helpful to tag 'em. Seen the Warbling Antbird article tagged with additional citiations.
:::::::So cheersies, again! ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 04:36, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I put ai-generated tags on both articles and added explanations on the Talk pages. I don't recommend doing cleanup on Warbling antbird ↗ though as it's likely most of its text will be eliminated by the merge: the two pages are highly redundant. Just waiting for the AfD discussion to be formally closed. M kuhner (talk) 05:23, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Yep, thank you for adding them.
:::::::::I guess i'll stick to the Hypocnemis ↗ article for now.
:::::::::Cheersies, for the third time! :) ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 07:59, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

trying to fix a year-old LLM insertion in Mariam Luyombo ↗

Hi Campssitie, wanted to ask some advice and I noticed you'd looked at this article. A year ago now-banned editor Wkambale made a big LLM edit to it and introduced hallucinated references. If we'd caught it right away it'd be revert-worthy, but there have been some edits (including yours) since then. Problem editor introduced the whole infobox which is non-factual (the person he gives as her maiden name is someone else as far as I can tell, the cited paper doesn't exist, etc). Do I just rip everything out that he put in, and do some collateral damage? I'm inclined to do that because it's BLP. I think there's too much of others' work to just delete the whole article (Wkambale did not create it). You're more experienced with this and I'd love to hear what you think. M kuhner (talk) 04:41, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

:I am (cautiously) thinking the original name claim is true, but still, the sources are nonsense. M kuhner (talk) 04:55, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing this out, but that's a lot of unsourced content, yeesh. I'll try and manual-revert most of the prose Wkambale generated. Per WP:BLP ↗ you can try and find more high-quality sources for them unsourced content, but most of it gotta to be removed sadly.
:I've edited the article now, you've done a great job trying to clean it up too! ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 09:05, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::I ran out of steam about halfway through, so it's not in a good state, sorry. Video game tournament this morning, might get back to it this afternoon. I'm sure I'll learn from seeing how you're tackling it! M kuhner (talk) 16:21, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Haha, yeah, it's fine. Hopefully you learn from my LLM-cleaning attempts! I'll try and see the video game tournament article your doing. :) ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 17:06, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not writing, I'm playing!
::::I may be the strongest old lady on the Starcraft II ladder. Which is not saying much, but I'll take it. This was a very strange game to take up and I will never be really good at it, but I enjoy competing. M kuhner (talk) 17:33, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Glad to hear that! I'll probably compete someday, but I don't know if I'll win or not.
:::::For the draft, I'll probably not add content, but just fix up the prose and formatting if its a little wonky. Readability is key!
:::::Wait, your a woman? (＞0＜；) ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 17:42, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::I am a literal old lady. I have been as high as the #5 senior woman chessplayer in the US, though not at the moment. Trying to write an article on the US Senior Women's Chess Championships, but sources are scanty.
::::::You would not believe how many times my Starcraft opponents have called me a liar when I said this. It's an, um, underrepresented demographic.
::::::Anyway, thanks for your help! M kuhner (talk) 17:49, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Your welcome, but that's... actually a ''rare'' demographic to stumble upon; only 15% of Wikipedians are female! Proud of your ranking, btw.
:::::::I'm still trying to AI clean-up other articles like the international economic law ↗, so you can learn from there if you'd like. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 17:56, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I looked at your recent edits on Hypocnemis ↗: good reminder to watch out for wishy-washy AI phrasing. M kuhner (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you! If your wondering, I was removing cases of "suggesting that [blah blah blah]" and others (which the reader can infer themselves), and just me having beef with meaningless adverbs. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 18:02, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:I looked at international economic law ↗ but bounced off--I'm not convinced there's any "there" there. Working on Mariam Luyombo at the moment. Do you know how citing something reachable only via the Wayback Machine should be done? The current first citation doesn't reach its target anymore, but the target did exist and is on Wayback. (Tied for 5th in the tournament: "age and treachery will defeat youth and skill" is my motto.) M kuhner (talk) 02:07, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
::I'd assume that you add the wayback link for the archive URL (along with the original for the original url) with the URL status as dead/archived, I have seen web.archive.org links used as citations. WP:WBM ↗ and H:AAS ↗ will help. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 03:25, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|::::::}} Been eyeing ↗ at Muaaz Tarabichi ↗. Seems to be puffed up a bit by a seemingly AI addition ↗ by a TA ↗. I think it might need some more work for cleanup, but I only carved out the factual info to keep. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 06:17, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

:{{tq|it was Dr. Muaaz Tarabichi who aggressively pioneered, refined, and disseminated the practice of exclusive Transcanal Endoscopic Ear Surgery}} OMG that's nails-on-blackboard bad. Puffed up a bit? Blown up like a balloon, if you ask me.
:Got everything on Mariam Luyombo ↗ except the awards: telling if an award is real is hard. M kuhner (talk) 06:44, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
::You know, yeah, that's blown up. There was also some puffery I found from Almaty ↗'s lead. (removed now)
::By the way, good job on on getting everything down! I'm not good at finding sources so I can't help, sorry. ( ^._.^) ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 06:48, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Reading African press suddenly became part of my day job (elephant conservation biology) last year. It's been educational. I was intrigued, in working on New Vision ↗, watching sources try to draw a line of descent from Uganda Argus in the 1950's to New Vision in 1986, without acknowledging the steps in between--associated with regimes most people would really like to forget. M kuhner (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
::::I think I've finished with Mariam Luyombo ↗ finally. Any comments appreciated! M kuhner (talk) 02:29, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pour this with a lot of salt, but I think it's good and you've done a great job expanding it!
:::::I'd recommend also requesting other people besides me, it may backfire if you rely on one person only. I don't know the difference between a C-class article and an A-class article ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 03:14, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::I have no ambitions for this, just wanted someone to make a quick look so I could call it done. (There are about 5 more on the list where it came from--I need to find a more efficient approach, I think.) Thanks for taking a look! M kuhner (talk) 03:37, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::No problem, just trying to be a good Wikipedian ↗. I felt like I had to add that, haha. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 03:40, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Almaty

Thank you for fixing the GaWC assertion and providing a reference for it. I guess that, like me, you then patted yourself on the back for your good deed -- somewhat dampened by "Hang on, there are still over a hundred other references to be checked?" And concluding, "Hell no!"

That's OK, just do as much as you feel like doing. (If a reference already provided is competently written and turns out to confirm what it's presented as confirming, then updating its "access-date" would be helpful.) Don't do any more. (As for me, I don't feel like doing any more today.)

Oh, a small point: Template:Cite web/doc ↗ tells us: {{Tq|'''url-status''': [...] requires '''url''' ''and'' '''archive-url'''}}. -- Hoary (talk) 04:21, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

:Haha, the only thing I'll probably do is tighten up the prose for the article. You're welcome and I'll blank the URL status... oops. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 04:25, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

::Well, hmmm, I'm all in favour of tightening up sloppy prose (example ↗) ... except when I'm not: when its very sloppiness (or promotionalism) could well alert the reader to the risk that ''what is expressed'' (its manner of expression aside) is more or less fictional. -- Hoary (talk) 05:06, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Yeah, removing promo-text or just text that can't be salvaged is very based ↗. Unless if it can be salvaged, better when it's yoinked away. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 06:25, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

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:Yippee! ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 18:01, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

BLPKIND at AfD

Hello! Thanks for hatting the off-topic comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mercury in corn syrup ↗. Please bear WP:BITE ↗ and WP:BLPKIND ↗ in mind though. In particular, the TA comments were before the account Drdufault was created, and I don't think anyone will be misled into thinking they were different people, so there's no need to criticize the apparent WP:LOUTSOCK ↗. Referring to the comments as {{tq|advertising}} is also a bit strong, and perhaps not in line with WP:AGF ↗.

We don't need to cut BLP subjects much slack when they're arguing to ''keep'' the content about which they have a COI, but it's still a good thing that they show up themselves rather than, say, hiring a UPE firm, and we should try to encourage that kind of behavior wherever possible. lp0 on fire () 16:59, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, I have edited the message to remove "advertising" if your wondering, haha. ★ Campssitie (msg) (contribs ↗) 🧋🏖 18:02, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

:I am also grateful for the hatting, and honestly sympathetic to Campssitie's view here: those comments were pretty far out of line, and the discussion has just continued in that vein. (The edited version is an improvement, though.)

:I'm also irritated by being repeatedly first-named by Drdufault when my name, while easy to figure out, is not in my signature. Decided it was off-topic to comment on that, though. I'm backing off that discussion to avoid bludgeoning. Haven't !voted because frankly I am too angry to make a level-headed decision. M kuhner (talk) 22:15, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

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discussion on AINB

I am not linking anything here because you may not want to have anything to do with this...but you thanked me for one of the edits on this case, so I thought I'd ask.

If one reads the HIPAA talk page it becomes apparent that not only are both Jgellatly and Compliance-Expert using LLM, and both have conflict of interest on this topic (Jgellatly acknowledged, whereas Compliance-Expert said nothing until they got caught), but they are either working tightly together or are the same person.

I don't have the technical competence to know ''why'' these two are pushing for specific text in these articles, but I feel like there's a financial incentive in play. I note Compliance-Expert's statement {{tq|Please feel free to edit as needed. The goal is to get this information live as the deadline date for compliance has passed}} in particular.

I don't know what's actionable here, but it doesn't feel good to me at all. M kuhner (talk) 07:19, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

:{{courtesy link|Wikipedia:AI_noticeboard#User:Jgellatly|AINB discussion:}}
:Yeah, I also don't know why they are doing this. Besides it not being good to me too, it seems to be undisclosed COI WP:PAIDEDITING ↗ to me. My WP:AGF ↗ hat cracked when Jgellatly (no ping) evaded the AI question, which is... something.
:{{tq|If one reads the HIPAA talk page it becomes apparent that not only are both Jgellatly and Compliance-Expert using LLM, and both have conflict of interest on this topic.}} I checked it right now, very fishy. WP:DUCK ↗ may apply ''if'' they are sock ↗s of each other. Try to match speech patterns for both and editing style. Does it look fishy? We need evidence to take this to SPI.
:{{tq|but I feel like there's a financial incentive in play. I note Compliance-Expert's statement Please feel free to edit as needed. The goal is to get this information live as the deadline date for compliance has passed in particular.}} Seems to be, since "deadline" and "information live" make my alarms sound.
:{{tq|[...] ..but you thanked me for one of the edits [...]}} Oh, for context on why I thanked your edit though, I, in quote, {{tq|lurk in at the drama on WP:ANI or WP:DRN, '''usually known by your comment being thanked by me'''. Other boards, such as WP:SPI or '''AI Cleanup''', may be lurked too.}}, which was caused by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk%3ACampssitie#Please_reconsider ↗.
:Also, a mistake: {{tq|not only are both Jgellatly and Compliance-Expert using LLM, and both have conflict of interest on this topic}}, I assume you mean "but" instead of "and". Don't take this seriously, just trying to help.
:Cheersies. ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 08:34, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
::Oh! I'm offended! I did actually mean "not only X, and Y, but also Z" for rhetorical impact. Well, also it was after midnight and I ''was'' offended, by the reams of LLM text I'd just read.
::I think matching speaking style might be hampered by the lack of humans speaking: it's Claude (or similar) chatting with itself much of the time, so of course they sound similar. Because of that I honestly have no idea if it's sockpuppets or meatpuppets, but those two accounts are not independent, and the use of Compliance-Expert to validate Jgellatly's challenged posts is unsavory.
::I'll do some data collection. M kuhner (talk) 14:58, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Sorry for offending you, lol! LLM text integrates into my speech style sometimes, for example WP:AIPARALLEL ↗.
:::{{tq|I think matching speaking style might be hampered by the lack of humans speaking: it's Claude (or similar) chatting with itself much of the time, so of course they sound similar.}} I was wondering why their speaking patterns closely resembled Claude, so that may be the case. I also read lots of ChatGPT and Gemini text so it's fishy to me.
:::Hope that data mining will go well, by the way. ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 06:43, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm maybe 2/3 of the way to two cases. Scared to put them in my sandbox though because I'm not 100% sure how to avoid pinging someone I don't want to alert. Any tips? M kuhner (talk) 13:22, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::Glad for the 2/3 progress! Though, to not ping someone, don't link them when you write out their name. (like '''M kuhner''', see? There's no link to your userpage.) ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 13:35, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::Would appreciate comments on User:M kuhner/sandbox/case1. In particular, while I feel strongly about the COI, is it worth including? It's a diffuse problem and much harder to show than LLM. Maybe I'm just venting my wrath rather than writing the cleanest possible case. Also, it's possible that just raising a flag at AINB would get this dealt with: is ANI justified? M kuhner (talk) 20:48, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::ANI is a last resort, I suppose, though there is a noticeboard (COIN) ↗ for COIs, so you might take a shot there.
:::::::From the noticeboard page, it is for determining whether a specific editor (Either Jgellatly or Compliance-Expert) has a conflict of interest for a specific article (maybe HIPAA or Medcurity?) and whether an edit by a COIN-declared COI editor meets a requirement of the Conflict of Interest guideline.
:::::::However, don't make a separate case at ANI ''and'' COIN, that can be seen as a type of forum shopping ↗. I'd recommend focusing on ''one'' report for Jgellatly, while also providing evidence that they may be connected to this user (Compliance-Expert) and proving they are not independent.
:::::::{{collapse|1={{blockquote|
::''Jgellatly is a paid editor, as disclosed on their user page, for Medcurity, a HIPAA security risk management company. As a mitigating factor, this disclosure was their first edit and they have mentioned the COI on article talk pages when appropriate.''
::''I argue that Jgellatly is WP:NOTHERE due to persistent violations of WP:NOLLM and WP:COI.''}}
:::::::- {{grey|Might be a little jumbled up? I'd recommend making the first paragraph a brief notice on the top, like:}}
:::::::{{hatnote|Jgellatly is a paid editor, as disclosed on their user page, for Medcurity, a HIPAA security risk management company. They have mentioned the COI on article talk pages when appropriate.}}
::::{{blockquote|''The overall pattern is of Jgellatly (supported/directed by Compliance-Expert) adding material for the benefit of Medcurity.''}}
:::::::- {{grey|From the wild evidence you have collected, it seems like this is what's happening.}}
::::{{blockquote|''I have raised a separate ANI report about User:Compliance-Expert.''}}
:::::::- {{grey|As I said before, {{tq|I'd recommend focusing on ''one'' report for Jgellatly, while also providing evidence that they may be connected to this user (Compliance-Expert) and proving they are not independent.}}}}
:::::::|2=Case 2}}
:::::::I don't want to get too involved, so I'll stick to lurking on this case. ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 02:39, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I totally get it.
::::::::Compliance-Expert has not edited since March, and reports on people who aren't active seem ill-received. I think I'll raise an admin alert on AINB about the other guy. I am super irritated by '''30''' identical malformed references added to different articles in 10 minutes. M kuhner (talk) 22:24, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, 13 minutes. Let's be fair here. (Through gritted teeth.) I posted it; we'll see what happens.
:::::::::Bitten twice in the last two days by awful-looking articles whose progenitor, I guess, was less LLM and more Powerpoint--their dates mean they can't possibly be LLM, but they sure sounded suspicious. Live and learn. (Main lesson: check dates ''immediately''.) M kuhner (talk) 22:41, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Dragostea din tei ↗

Hi there. Please read my last edit summary on the article above. Changes that better the flow of the prose are welcome, however not ones that mass remove text. Also, the lead is not too lengthy for the (massive) article, but rather briefly summarizes every key aspect of the article if you go through it. Thank you. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 00:11, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks, feel free to add back the paragraphs I removed in the lead. I'll still try and tighten up the prose, just by not mass removing stuff. I do recommend doing a manual revert instead of restoring a revision, because that removed my changes that better the flow of prose. ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 07:25, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
::Also, {{tq|[...] AI was not used to generate text on its own, but rather to polish already written text [...]}}? I assume that's why there were many signs of LLM ↗, such as WP:AIVOCAB ↗ and WP:AIWEASEL ↗ (there are many more but its too much). I know this article's old and you probably don't use LLMs anymore, but if you choose to do so in the future, I'd recommend you restrict it to basic copyediting per WP:LLM ↗, that states {{tq|Don't use AI writing tools such as large language models to generate or rewrite article content}}. ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 07:31, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi there again. First of all, I apologize for not having done a manual revert, and thank you for your comments regarding LLM. I did go over the text multiple times and rewrote it after I received the LLM's suggestions on how the better the already existing prose. However, I appreciate your help on making the prose flow better. I have made some more edits myself on the article now since I felt some things didn't do it justice. First, the practice of having several one-line paragraphs is not common, at least not with music articles, especially when the topics discussed do not differ that significantly in order for them to be in need of a para split. Second, some of your edits have removed some important details, for example that a release was specifically in the physical format or that some statements are not official media reports but rather statements from the band members. There are more examples, but these stuck out to me the most. Please take a look at my edit summaries and do contribute with more edits if you feel like they add to a better flow. However, they should not remove slight, but important details of the article. Regards; Cartoon network freak (talk) 21:43, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
::::Don't worry, I accept your apology, and you are very welcome for my comment regarding LLM usage. I didn't know my edits removed details you've added, and that one-line paragraphs are uncommon.
::::I'll take a look at your edits. Best regards. ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 07:35, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for u!

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:Aww! Thank you so much. :D ★ Campssitie (msg) (in solidarity, #943 ↗) 🧋🏖 09:52, 26 June 2026 (UTC)