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Regarding you note

Hello, and thank you for leaving a note on my talk page. I typically don't use my page at all, so I hope you won't mind if I respond here.

I misread the part where it noted changing the name from experimental statistics ("previously known as experimental statistics") as if they are no longer considered as experimental, thus the update. And noticed the full text only sometime around when 90% of retyping was done... Anyway, it seems to still be beneficial at least for the cities page, which hadn't been updated for a long time. Of course, all your points about the official release will stand at relevant time. Respublik (talk) 11:12, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

:@Dgp4004 Any reason for the revert, given that the data is not out as of yet and it wouldn't revert the count until the 2025 release at least per what you've said? Respublik (talk) 06:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @Respublik, unfortunately the ranking system was broken. You replaced the 'English district rank' field with a row count. So the order was no longer correct and changes to the rankings wouldn't be reflected when the mid-2022 pop estimate data is released in spring. Dgp4004 (talk) 07:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, I changed it to reflect the ranking of the table, as the updated final 2022 data wouldn't overwrite the sorting rank for the estimates until it would have the 2023 data. As I understand it – and please feel free to correct me – any bot update wouldn't automatically rearrange the table's row positions and would only change the numbers? Implication being that there is no immediate need to have the subst row count for some time. Or am I wrong and it's necessary for the update? Respublik (talk) 07:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Your edits on Merseyside page

Thank you for correcting my mistakes in your edits to the Merseyside ↗ Wikipedia article concerning GDP/GVA figures. I appreciate you taking the time to amend based on the source information. The years were selected for comparative reasons. I hope you have a good start to the new year. SW1APolitico (talk) 15:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Units

Please see the manual of style section on units ↗. For UK articles, metric comes first, followed by imperial. Regards, Wizmut (talk) 14:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you, that's much easier actually as all the ONS stats are metric! I will amend my edits. Dgp4004 (talk) 14:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert

Thanks for catching this ↗. If you see that sort of vandalism again, please report them to AIV as a sockpuppet. See WP:ANI#Vandalism in country/state/geographical area ↗. Ed <sup>[talk] [OMT ↗]</sup> 19:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

:Hi Ed, I'm not entirely sure the right place to report this, and I'm really not sure if it is a sock puppet. But could you take a look at the edits of 2001:999:404:DB00:1270:2F84:6362:5BC5 please and let me know your thoughts. Has all the hallmarks of past editing patterns of plausible but unverifiable data. I've reverted previous edits but not on List of equipment of the Pakistan Army ↗. Dgp4004 (talk) 23:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the ping! I'm guessing this is someone else as it doesn't involve geography, but those are very curious edits. It looks like someone else has reverted them on the Pakistan article. Ed <sup>[talk] [OMT ↗]</sup> 20:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Questionable district population stats

You updated the infobox for City of Milton Keynes ↗. I honestly can't see the point of giving an estimated population for 2021 when we have a precise figure from the census ↗. We have the silly result that the lead of the article says "just over 287,000" but the infobox says just over 288,000. The citation for estimate says that it was to be updated in "summer 2023", so in all honesty I really think that your edit was premature until the master source on wikipedia is updated. I don't want to revert your work because of the time it took and because it is going to be needed sooner or later. But really it would be a far more valuable use of your time to get the source data updated. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:16, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

:Unless you intend to edit all 296 English district articles when the 2022 ONS population estimates are released (which could be any time as they're well overdue—the release date was summer 2023 but that's been and gone) then they should all be using the English District templates.
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:Given the City of Milton Keynes infobox was still referencing the ONS code (deprecated in 2011) and not the GSS code, I took it that it was not being actively maintained. Dgp4004 (talk) 21:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

England page

Hi there, the economy section of the England page could do with an update. For example, the GDP per capita is currently outdated there. You can find the section here ↗. 2A0A:EF40:E81:7701:5C71:BD6E:C731:ED7F ↗ (talk) 09:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Population ref problem

Hello, since the recent changes to the UK templates for creating the population for counties there appears to be a problem for the East Riding of Yorkshire ↗ page which gives a "Cite error: The named reference ONS pop stats was invoked but never defined". Can you take a look at the templates to see where the error comes from? Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 21:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

:Ah sorry about that, good spot - I've fixed it now. Thanks for letting me know. Dgp4004 (talk) 22:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the quick fix. Keith D (talk) 11:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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You created {{tl|NI district density rank}} and similar templates earlier this year. They are still unused. Do you have a plan to use them? Unused templates are typically deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Tudor crown

The current arrangement of gems in the Tudor crown did not only appear in 2022. There was a similar arrangement in 1928. This can be seen from the coat of arms in The London Gazette in 1928 and the British passport in 1946. Coat of arms used to prove.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33371/page/ ↗1934 ↗ 2401:E180:8820:4B75:93:D66A:1251:2B98 ↗ (talk) 08:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

:St. Edward's Crown was also used during the reign of Queen Victoria. This can be seen from The London Gazette in https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1837/2/pdfs/ukpga_18370002_en.pdf ↗[Https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1837/2/pdfs/ukpga 18370002 en.pdf https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1837/2/pdfs/ukpga_18370002_en.pdf] and https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1900/56/pdfs/ukpga_19000056_en.pdf ↗[Https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1900/56/pdfs/ukpga 19000056 en.pdf https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1900/56/pdfs/ukpga_19000056_en.pdf]. I think the heraldic depiction of the Imperial Crown should be like this 1 ↗. This can be seen from this Draw a picture to speculate
::File:Imperial State Crown of Queen Victoria.jpg ↗ 2401:E180:8822:15A:3967:2C31:4A7D:7F49 ↗ (talk) 09:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::You're quite right about the 1924 lesser arms (not 1928) which depicted a crown different to the 1901 Tudor Crown. But I'm not sure what you'd like me to do with this information.

::Likewise, you're quite right that the heraldic crown was variously depicted during Victoria's reign as either the St Edward's Crown, the 1838 Imperial State Crown, or latterly a form of Tudor Crown. But again, I'm unsure what you want me to do with this information. The sources on all of the above are practically non-existent. So even if you and I know, it's difficult to add it to Wikipedia. It's also somewhat trivial for inclusion in an encyclopedia. There are dozens and dozens of variations on the imperial crown. We can only speak of the main ones backed up by reliable sources. Dgp4004 (talk) 11:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I understand that there are no suitable sources to prove this as you mentioned, I bring this up just because I feel that what is currently written in the encyclopedia is a bit inaccurate, and the current content reads to me like the crown of St. Edward was during the reign of Queen Victoria. It is not officially used in heraldry, but the fact is that in many places, in addition to the Tudor crown, there are also many places where St. Edward's Crown is used. At least the depictions I saw are mainly based on these two crowns.
:::In heraldic depictions, other crowns are not as commonly used in heraldic depictions as the Tudor Crown and St. Edward's Crown.
::::File:Queen Victoria coronation ticket.webp ↗ 112.105.152.215 ↗ (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The same goes for the arrangement of gems in the Tudor crown. The current article makes me read as if this arrangement only began to appear in 2022, but the fact is that this arrangement appeared as early as 1928.
Although the color of the gemstone may vary.
2401:E180:8820:64D6:380D:C06A:C2D7:74DB ↗ (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The issue of reliable sources of proof did not occur to me at the time. Although we had reliable actual use cases, there was no reliable literature to prove these examples. 2401:E180:8820:64D6:380D:C06A:C2D7:74DB ↗ (talk) 16:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Arms of Queen Camilla

Hey there. I noticed you did a lot of the changing to the "2022 pattern" Tudor Crown and I just wanted to pop over and say that I think the Coat of arms of Queen Camilla should probably use that pattern too, as it was displayed in the college of arms newsletter. https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/news-grants/newsletter/item/214-april-2023-newsletter-no-71 ↗ estar8806 (talk) ★ ↗ 20:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

:Done Dgp4004 (talk) 13:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of the United Kingdom (2022, lesser arms).svg

I understand that the scrolls have to be slightly different from the official design to avoid copyright issues. Is it just not possible to change the text layout of the scroll to be like the official one? In the past, badges also used a similar arrangement, that is, there was no text in the middle of the scroll, and the text was only placed on both sides of the scroll.

I also don't know if changing the way the scroll is bent in the middle will cause copyright issues. This method was used as early as 1956 in the government seal. I always think that the middle part of the scroll looks strange now, not only the text, but also the way the scroll is bent.

I hope to at least change the arrangement of the text in the scroll, the difference is too obvious. As for the curvature of the scroll, instead of leaving a space in the middle, the Order of the Garter, which was originally surrounded by the scroll, was moved directly to the outside.

But the curvature of the scroll is acceptable, and not as obvious as the arrangement of the text. 2401:E180:8D04:9C45:A946:A3AC:75CD:6644 ↗ (talk) 12:56, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit to "United Kingdom"

Greetings and felicitations. I noticed that you reverted my edit ↗ to "United Kingdom ↗" with the reason "See Template:Cite web ↗: 'Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a website, book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, etc.)...This parameter is most commonly used for books, and rarely for websites or periodicals{{'"}}. Given that the first two of the three changes I made were to organizations, may I please re-implement those changes? —DocWatson42 (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello? —DocWatson42 (talk) 13:06, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Sorry @DocWatson42, I don't understand your point. The website field is correct for all the changes your made. Dgp4004 (talk) 13:20, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Economy of England

Hey! Do you think you could change the main lead image of Economy of England ↗? Feel like it needs a change. No worries if it's a no. Wikihelper434ad (talk) 15:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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Australian Defence Force rank insignia

Hello, so yesterday the ADF updated their rank insignia to use the Tudor crown (likewise all service badges etc), its not my field, wondering if you'd be willing to have a go? Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form ↗) 22:38, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the notice, I'll take a look. Looks like you already did a great job with the new army officer ranks, thank you. Dgp4004 (talk) 09:05, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

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Middle-earth article language

Hi, 95% of the Middle-earth articles, certainly all those I wrote, are in "British English". A few very old articles are marked in the frankly-obsolete "Oxford English", the most confusing of all language tags as the stuff looks half-American and the -ize endings keep on getting "corrected". It'd frankly be more logical and more maintainable to have the whole WikiProject in British English. Can we not just have some sort of simple discussion and sort the mess out, rather than reverting one or another article to the antique format? Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:27, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not concerned either way. Any articles I have edited today have been ones with conflicting tags e.g. using both 'Use British English' and 'Use Canadian English'. I have merely removed one of the tags, usually leaving the oldest tag unless there has been a good reason to retain the other one instead. If you wish to seek a consensus to change any of them, I won't object. I've only been concerned with removing conflicting tags. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:33, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::Likewise, if you feel I have retained the wrong one, go right ahead and fix it. Any that you created should be using the language you created them in anyway. So you're perfectly within your rights to alter them and to add the appropriate spelling tag. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:38, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Ok, let's see. I'll certainly fix any of mine if they pop up in the next few days. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::There will be no further changes from me - I've gone through all the articles with two or more spelling tags. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:46, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::You may also wish to add a 'Use dmy dates' tag to the top of any articles you edit in British English also. The bots use these tags to make the appropriate corrections to references and the like. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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I see that you've started doing some edits relating to Australia's ranks. Currently we have the following articles, where I think really, we likely have enough to justify the officer and enlisted articles for each branch, and we should move to delete the article which has all of them together.

Australian Defence Force ranks ↗

Australian Army officer rank insignia ↗

Australian Army other ranks rank insignia ↗

Ranks of the Royal Australian Air Force ↗

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:You're probably right, the ADF ranks page could easily be just a section of the ADF article.
:I haven't had any time to look at the RAN or RAAF rank pages yet but I'll get round to it eventually. Dgp4004 (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::They've been on my to-do list for a few years now, but not had the motivation to force myself through the work. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 20:54, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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:Thank you! Although that timeline section will be the death of me. I've only got to cover 1802 to 1865 now but by God... Dgp4004 (talk) 09:31, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of the United Kingdom (2022, variant 2)

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Irish Free State article

Thanks for pointing that out. I’m always interested in Free State history, and hadn’t come across that one. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:23, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

:No worries at all. I love stumbling across stuff on Wikipedia. My other titbit that I love to wheel out and which I'm convinced not many people know is about Papua New Guinea. PNG is the only one of the King's realms where he is not sovereign, in the traditional sense at least. Australia wrote PNG's constitution on the assumption that it would soon become a republic. So they wrote them a republican constitution but with 'the Queen' in place of 'the president'. That way, PNG could simply cross out 'the Queen' without too much work. Uniquely, the constitution explicitly places sovereignty in the people of PNG and just makes the Queen 'head of state'. So when the Governor General signed their constitution act, he unthinkingly abdicated the Queen's sovereignty over PNG whilst retaining her title as Queen of PNG. It follows then that the present King's title as King of PNG comes not really 'by the grace of God' but from the sovereign people of PNG. Dgp4004 (talk) 12:00, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
::Another interesting read is Popular sovereignty in the United States ↗. We all know about the American 'by the people, for the people' but forget what a revolutionary statement that is and that we don't have it. Dgp4004 (talk) 12:20, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

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London GDP

Sorry, I didn't understand. What does it mean that the data updated annually is hard to keep up-to-date? Isn't GDP updated only once a year? Whether it's a city or a country, and other cities all have GDP columns, I'm just making a supplement.I am in charge of the update of GDP data. I have almost all the update dates of GDP in all countries and regions around the world. I can ensure that I update it as soon as it is released. For me, it is not difficult to keep it updated every year Reikaze0216 (talk) 08:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Hi @Reikaze0216, thanks for your message. GDP certainly has a place on economy pages where it is more appropriate for the infobox. See Economy of London ↗, for example. Wikipedia policy is not to make the WP:INFOBOXTOOLARGE ↗, and the information in the infobox should usually be a summary of what is in the article. However, GDP is not included in the London article; only a link to Economy of London ↗. That is the appropriate place.
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:I'd also question the usefulness of the data when used 'at a glance' in the infobox. Nominal regional GDP, especially in different currencies, is not easily comparable between nations. And each nation uses a different method to calculate it. It's not like GDP calculated by institutions like the IMF or World Bank where methodology is consistent. It's also misleading. A large nominal GDP can indicate that somewhere is very wealthy. But whilst total nominal GDP can be very high, GDP per head can be very low. All of this needs space for explanation and context that can't be given in a settlement infobox. Dgp4004 (talk) 23:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

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:Ah that's great, thanks Zackmann. Looks like it's off to a strong start! Dgp4004 (talk) 09:00, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
::So I don't add to the main discussion if I don't need to... does your {{tq|The proposal is not and never has been to delete Infobox UK place}} mean that the irrelevant and undesirable "features" of Settlement can be buried under a heavy rock? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:09, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
:::That is my understanding, yes. The fields in settlement will not be available in UK place unless they are enabled in UK place. That is correct isn't it Zackmann08? Dgp4004 (talk) 15:14, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

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Quebec coat of arms

Thanks for the recent edits to the article. I'm finding the actions of the Quebec government a bit puzzling. They made the announcement of the change back in January, but they've not passed the order-in-council that would amend the blazon. (I've been checking the ''Gazette du Quebec'' regularly, and nothing's been posted.) I have come across a draft order-in-council which was sent out in response to an FOI request, but no sign of the order being passed. I wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes that is delaying the order. I will keep monitoring the ''Gazette''. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

:I hope you're not suggesting it was all a political stunt and they don't really care about it! Gone are the days when the world was led by serious people it seems. Dgp4004 (talk) 17:20, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Discord?

Are you on the Wikimedia discord by chance? '''<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 04:26, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not I'm afraid. Dgp4004 (talk) 10:08, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
::You're missing all the fun! '''<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>''' (<sup>Talk to me ↗</sup>/<sub><span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span> ↗</sub>) 22:33, 13 June 2026 (UTC)