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:Thanks, I have over 1000 edits now. RogerYg (talk) 06:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
::Noticed your reply now and got confused for a while, totally forgetting that it was me who welcomed you a few months ago. Happy editing! Cheers. Rasnaboy (talk) 07:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
:::No problem. I understand as I replied after few months (when I got to 1000 edits). RogerYg (talk) 06:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Talk page section collapsing
Hi. We do not collapse sections randomly unless there is a strong reason. Read more at WP:TALK ↗ — DaxServer (t · m ↗ · e ↗ · c ↗) 06:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks. RogerYg (talk) 07:14, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
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::Thanks, I avoid reverts in general RogerYg (talk) 02:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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Contentious topics alert - BLP & American politics
link=|25px ↗ You've recently made edits about post-1992 politics of the United States and living or recently deceased people ↗. Just letting you know that these two topics are designated as contentious topics. For more information about the contentious topics system, please see Wikipedia:Contentious topics ↗. <b>Callanecc</b> (talk • contribs ↗ • logs ↗) 07:50, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks for the alert. I sincerely follow WP policies citing High quality WP:RS sources, using WP:NPOV neutral language, and avoid any Edit-warring or Reverts. I provide WP policy and reasons for any contentious update.RogerYg (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
::Your interpretation of said policies is incorrect and consequently your edits to the Vivek Ramaswamy article have been undone. Note that WP:NPOV ↗ does '''not''' mean we have to use non-discriminate language. It means we present facts with weight that reflects their coverage in reliable sourcing. Please read WP:DUE ↗.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Okay, thanks for the update. I agree with your points and suggestions on WP:DUE. RogerYg (talk) 09:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Re: Interview Request
Hi RogerYg -- I just saw your response on my Talk page ... I wanted to be sure you understood where I am coming from. I was reaching out to you as a journalist, not as a "Wikipedia person," although I do edit Wikipedia articles from time to time, including your Talk page, which I am editing right now. That is why I included my email and explained my writing background.
Totally get it if you don't want to participate in journalism *about* Wikipedia, but I wanted to be clear about what you were turning down.
All the best. Chomsky1 (talk) 17:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, yes I understand your point, but still I will be unable to participate in such interview at this time. Thanks RogerYg (talk) 19:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
March 2025
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:I have provided valid WP policies, such as WP:BLP and WP:NPOV that I think apply for my edits. If you disagree, the same should be discussed on the article's TALK page per WP:TALK.
:However, I feel you are trying to intimidate me against making any edits by such posting such broad warnings:
:" do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis"
:I would humbly remind you that such veiled threats may violates Wikipedia's civility policy per WP:BULLY ↗
:I would assume good faith for now, and hope you refrain from such threats in the future and engage in civil discussion on the article TALK page per WP:TALK.
:Please take WP:BULLY ↗ in consideration in the future discussions. Thanks.
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:Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 06:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::That wasn't bullying. It was a routine warning. Note that I am speaking as an editor with over 260,000 edits who has been a member of the WP:Arbitration Committee ↗ and is an Administrator. <span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span> talk 08:04, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks Doug Weller, I appreciate your feedback. I have also assumed good faith for this warning for now.
:::Since you have responded, I would like to clarify that I had to bring up the WP:Bully consideration to have more civil discussions in the future, as this editor has a history of uncivil responses in many of our discussions on the TALK page of Science of Identity Foundation ↗
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Science_of_Identity_Foundation ↗
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Science_of_Identity_Foundation/Archive_1 ↗
:::Most of my edits were reverted without any meaningful discussion, but I have continued to give benefit of doubt and assume good faith.
:::I also stopped editing and DISENGAGED from the SIF page for several weeks to keep things civil, and will continue to aim for good faith civil dicussions. Thanks again for taking note. RogerYg (talk) 11:22, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::''Examples of past discussions:''
:::I agree with Str1977 (talk) on this issue that BLP is mainly to prevent questionable "potentially libelious claims". It sets higher standards for sources used in BLP article to avoid controversial slandering claims. The TOI ref is not making any slandering claim, rather it helps to counter such claims. Also, we are not using TOI as a stand alone ref, rather as supporting other WP:RS refs, so its use can be justified. Further, it helps and to bring NPOV balance. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 15:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::''You're both wrong. BLP states, Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources. Sanctions apply. --Hipal (talk) 17:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)''
:::Can any one editor decide which reference is superior and delete other references from WP:RS sources without broader discussion and consensus? These were some of the issues being discussed. Meanwhile, I think some balance has been restored in the article. (I will likely be taking a break from this page for some time per WP:DISENGAGE). Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 03:35, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::But, when we found High Quality Reliable sources such as The Washington Post and Politico with similar relevant content about change in Gabbard's beliefs such as on homosexuality per WP:BLPBALANCE, sadly that is also being opposed. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 11:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::''You're just continuing to work from assumptions. The fact is that this article isn't about Gabbard's beliefs. Pretending otherwise in order to rationalize the addition of content is a POV violation. --Hipal (talk) 18:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)''
:::Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 11:22, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::RogerYg, as with our previous discussion, I think it best to disengage. Please consider it carefully.
::::{{tq|I have provided valid WP policies, such as WP:BLP and WP:NPOV that I think apply for my edits.}} Yes, you have. Others disagree that your concerns are valid, that your interpretation of policy is valid, and have concerns that you are referencing policy to support something that's clearly contrary to that policy. I'd hoped that the RfC would change that, but apparently it has not.
::::I'm happy to redact anything I have written to follow our behavioral policies better. However, please note your own comments directed at others, such as the ones I copied above ↗. --Hipal (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Well, there are very few active editors on SIF Wiki page for a proper discussion at this time, therefore I will DISENGAGE until there is better editing environment there. I hope we can have more civil discussions in the future. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 06:49, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you. Again, I'm happy to redact anything I've written. --Hipal (talk) 16:29, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
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Suggestion for too much detail
@RogerYg Thanks for adding details in the section for "Influence on American culture & beliefs ↗". I noticed that there was too much detail with many WP:PUFFERY ↗ words, which I have cleaned up. You may want to read MOS:WTW ↗. Using such words unnecessarily increases the word count for the page and makes it difficult to read. Asteramellus (talk) 20:58, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:Hi ,
:Thanks for discussing this. While I agree against using WP:PUFFERY ↗ words, often specific detalis are needed to justify content as WP:DUE ↗.
:Also, the issue here was not Pufferey, but providing the specific point to justify it's inclusion as WP:DUE ↗.
:The case of Wilbur award-winning Lisa Miller which is almost like Oscar for religion authors.
:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_Communicators_Council#Wilbur_Awards
:Problem was I removed Wilbur, also thinking of word count, which was incorrect.
:If Lisa Miller is just another author on religion, her point will not carry enough weight for its inclusion for Hindu Americans, and any editor can remove the content noting WP:UNDUE ↗
:Therefore, we have to find a balance between avoiding Puffery and justifying WP:DUE content. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 04:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
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:I am not sure what this means. Some clarification will be appreciated. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 14:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::It means that he would rather saw your user name as VogerVg :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::Basically, thanks for being a brave and valuable editor on Wikipedia while staying anonymous! Here's an award. Rackaballa (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
Excessive citations
What is the point of adding ↗ the same New York Times source that is cited at the end of the sentence, again mid-sentence?
Mid-sentence citations should be generally avoided because they make the text hard to read. We use them only in exceptional circumstances, and they should never be multiple citataions. Please keep in mind that the general public things of the citations as a nuisance. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:38, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:While is agree with your guidance on references in general, this article is highly debated, so we need multiple references until there is a larger agreement on the content. I also replied on the TALK page. Thanks again. RogerYg (talk) 04:27, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
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Hey RogerYg, do you remember me? How's it been? Wikieditor662 (talk) 02:34, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
:Hi Wikieditor662,
:Thanks for reaching out. It's been a while. I guess we helped editing Tulsi Gabbard or JD Vance page. - RY RogerYg (talk) 04:09, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::It's possible, I'm not sure how good my memory is, but I think we discussed Kash Patel ↗ before.
::I've been wanting to create a group and eventually a project designed to ensure fairness (among other things) on Wikipedia. The guides said I need to find members who are interested first. I found one person other than me so far, @Deamonpen, who will participate. You can see more about the plan on their message board. Would you like to help out, or if nothing else become a member? Wikieditor662 (talk) 04:15, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Okay, I found one our TALk page message on Kash Patel, agreeing about removing ''conspiracy theorist'' from the lede to make it fair and neutral.
:::''I think Wikieditor662 (talk) has raised some valid concerns on MOS:FIRST. To best of my knowledge, there has been no serious discussion on MOS:FIRST and WP:Firstsentence on this page, even though this is a WP:BLP article. Also, Wikieditor662 has shown concern on avoiding edit-war, which in my humble view, shows sincerity to contribute responsibly. Thanks. 09:40, 2 February 2025 (UTC) RogerYg (talk) 09:40, 2 February 2025 (UTC)'' RogerYg (talk) 04:24, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, I can become a member, though I cannot commit about much time and effort on any project yet. I usually get involved only in topics of my interest. Best RogerYg (talk) 04:27, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::::Wow, because I remember these discussions started an RfC on Patel which got his label of "conspiracy theorist" removed from the first sentence.
::::The good thing about the group/project is planned on being so broad is that it could cover any topic you want it to. If you'll need help ensuring any page or discussion you're interested in is aligned with the rules ↗ and fairness, we could help you.
::::For now, do you know anyone else who you think could be interested in this? If so, then I suggest that you mention this to them, or at least tell me about them so I could do so myself. Thanks again! Wikieditor662 (talk) 04:46, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have been off from Wiki for many months, so I'm not able to mention anyone else at this time. RogerYg (talk) RogerYg (talk) 04:51, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::That's fine! I'll keep you posted. Happy editing, and let me know if you need anything else! Wikieditor662 (talk) 05:00, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
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:Hi Diannaa, I appreciate your concern on the copyright issue on one of my small edits. I can assure you that I was going to summarize and paraphrase it to address that issue myself very soon. I was looking for more refs. Anyway, I will take more care in not leaving any edit for later to avoid such issues. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 05:07, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
SIF improvement
Hi RogerYg, As it looks like you've been an active and constructive contributor to Science of Identity Foundation ↗ in the past, I just wanted to highlight my recent edit suggestions ↗ there. Is there any chance that you would take a moment to consider publishing or responding to them? All the best, /Urbourbo (talk) 12:37, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, I will check it out. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 05:54, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
Please help! The Core Contest: Hindu Mythology
Hi @RogerYg, I saw your meaningful edits on the Hanuman page, and wanted to ask if you could make some contributions to the Hindu Mythology ↗ page. This article was added to the The Core Contest ↗, and could definitely use insights from collaborators such as yourself. The deadline at the end of the month is fast approaching, so any contributions you could make would definitely help. Thanks in advance, Hemmingweigh (talk) 19:43, 23 May 2026 (UTC)
:Okay, can you point some specific topics of sections, that may be facing anti-Hindu edits. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) RogerYg (talk) 19:47, 23 May 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @RogerYg, just taking a quick look and the "Mythical themes and types" section is pretty sparse. If you could add a subsection on cosmology/creation and/or myths about specific Hindu deities, that would add a lot of value to the page. Thank you so much for your positive contributions! Hemmingweigh (talk) 03:00, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I am adding themes comparing Ramayana with Odyssey. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2026 (UTC)
:::It will be great, if you could add ref names for the duplicate references in these themes. I will try to do that by end of the month, if possible. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 18:07, 25 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi RogerYg, could you give some more information about which sources you are referring to? I haven't added ref names like that before but I'm game to give it a try. Hemmingweigh (talk) 22:43, 25 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::For example, there are duplicate refs:
:::::ref>Valmiki. ''The Ramayana''. Translated by Arshia Sattar. New Delhi: Penguin Classics India, 1996. </ref>
:::::We need to replace them with
:::::ref name="Sattar-1996">Valmiki. ''The Ramayana''. Translated by Arshia Sattar. New Delhi: Penguin Classics India, 1996. </ref>
:::::Thanks. RogerYg (talk) RogerYg (talk) 05:26, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::Got it. I will give it a try tomorrow. Thanks so much for all your help! Hemmingweigh (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
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:Sure, thanks for the appreciation. RogerYg (talk) 15:48, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
Hindu Mythology section in Wikipedia Project Hinduism "Open Tasks"
Hi @RogerYg, There is a section in Wikipedia Project Hinduism called "Open Tasks." The subset on Hindu mythology has some articles that are only 1 or 2 paragraphs and some that are literally just one sentence. Would you be interested in going through this list with me and expanding, deleting, or merging these articles to cross them off the "Open Tasks" list one by one? It definitely does not make sense to have articles on very minor figures of Hindu mythology that are so short. It would be more useful to add that same information in the context of the text or relevant myth article. Let me know in any case! Hemmingweigh (talk) 03:11, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks for update. Yes, I will try to work on those.
:You can send me some specific short articles, and link to the project page. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 17:26, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @RogerYg, thanks so much for working with me on this. It is under "Open Tasks" in Wikipedia:WikiProject Hinduism ↗. Here is the link ↗ to the list of articles I mentioned. Maybe you can get started on Namas and Madravati and go from there? I think the content of the articles could be added to the Sakti Sangama Tantra and Mahabharata articles respectively and then a request could be made for these articles to be deleted. What do you think? Hemmingweigh (talk) 00:19, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
:::While I understand your point about many short articles or stubs, I like to think for the future, and we will keep getting more material and sources to expand most of them.
:::I am mostly not in favor of deleting them and merging them into already large articles, such as Mahabharata, which are already quite long. My reasoning is also based on difficult experience of adding new articles, as many don't get approved.
:::So, I will try to expand some articles, such as Namas (rishi). We can delete or merge only when there seems no scope for reliable sources. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
::::Sure, that sounds good to me as well. Thanks so much! Hemmingweigh (talk) 02:11, 19 June 2026 (UTC)