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Hi, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spiders#Use of Specieslist template ↗. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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Some time ago you made a series of edits like this one ↗, which didn't use {{Tlx|Species list}} correctly – for example, the species names aren't in italics. {{U|Dennis the mennis}} recently tried to correct the results of such edits, but didn't get it quite right.

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It should <em>not</em> be used in any other way. In particular, never put the authority part of the pair in small tags, because this will use double small, which violates accessibility guidelines. Also it doesn't work if you have a distribution following the authority, because this gets put in small font, which is wrong. In such cases, use a bulleted list via * as normal. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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Spider page format

Hi there,

I'm currently putting a lot of effort in bringing the spider section up to speed. Some people keep reverting some of my edits when I clean up some of the articles, mostly citing WP:CITEVARNO ↗. so I was wondering if you actually care about this for articles you've created. I'm mostly worried about the bulk of bot-created articles that have inline citations, often of varying styles, just because it was easier to write a bot doing this, 5-10 years ago when most of these were created. So my question to you would be: are you okay if I clean up references by putting them all in a section at the end when I update the content of articles that you created? Here's an example page ↗ of what the format I'm going for looks like. Sarefo (talk) 17:22, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:{{reply to|Sarefo}} If you got the impression I wrote all those articles with a bot, I'll take that as a compliment, thank you. That 2018-ish quest to create an article for every genus was mostly a product of boredom when my job moved me to the midnight shift; one of those giant projects that seems impossible and I just wanted to see if I could do it.

:I used the reference style I did because that was the existing style when I arrived- the same in use during all your 2006/2007 edits, but if I had issues with any of your edits to these pages, I would have brought it up a months ago. To be fair, quite a few of your edits do just rearrange the styles ↗ like changing NMBE to wsc ↗ or changing abbreviated genus with full genus name ↗, so unless there's a WP rule out there I'm not aware of, you have kinda been violating WP:CITEVARNO ↗. No worries though- I bonked heads with Peter over a lot of the same things when I first arrived here, so it's kind of fun being on this side of the conversation.

:To actually answer your question, I really don't care what reference style is used, but one human to another, I really don't think moving references to their own section is a good use of your time. You don't know this yet, but 5-10 years from now, a new spider Wikipedia editor is going to revert all your references back and send this same message to you, same as I did with Peter Coxhead in 2018, same as you're doing with me in 2026, and round and round we go. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><span style="color:green">Sesame</span><span style="color:blue">honey</span><span style="color:red">tart</span></span> 05:27, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::Ah no, sorry for the misunderstanding :D Lots of article stubs I encounter are from bots, but yours are not! That's why I contacted you for your opinion. I also had the impression you're fine with it, but I'm getting reverted by UtherSRG, who's unfortunately not forthcoming with actual help, but is very persistent in blocking me from cleaning up these old, mostly abandoned articles. I haven't found a single editor working on spiders who's in favor of inline citation style. The reason it dominates is that it was easier to write bots this way decades ago (I myself wrote scripts to create salticid stubs myself back in 2007 or so). Then others picked it up. And now you have like twelve lines of refs with like one line of actual prose hidden inside it.
::To clarify, I'm not using any of my time moving the references. this is part of a cleanup script I use for articles that I'm editing for other reasons. I'm convinced doing so will make everyone's life easier in future. UtherSRG (and I assume official Wiki Admin mindset) insists it "will bring more chaos", but he refuses to actually give any examples, which is extremely frustrating. My personal feeling is that if a few people got together and took a moment to analyze the situation of the spider section, standardization of styles will go a long way in making it more maintainable, and more accessible to editors. I regularly encounter pages with three different citation styles that I refuse to edit in their current form. That's being ridiculed, but the fact is that my brain just tires extremely quickly from this, leading me to stop contributing.
::As UtherSRG is stonewalling me, can you explain to me the reasoning behind CITEVARNO other than stepping on other editors toes? I really try not to do that, and fully understand that part. But for all these orphaned stubs, I just don't get it. This is tech debt from limitations of decades ago. Nobody benefits from these staying as they are now. It's entirely possible that I'm missing something here, so if you see more, I'd really appreciate some insight to broaden my perspective.
::And if you want, give me some details about the 2018 situation? From what I understood, Peter also prefers end of article refs. Now that I'm using "references" tags style, not the "reflist" template, the style should be fine for source text + wysiwyg editors, so I don't see why anyone would want to revert to inline?
::Also, many thanks for actually creating all these articles!! I just added the remaining ones, there's now an article for every spider genus. I'm currently cross-referencing them with iNaturalist and will see how many photos I can add from this. And I might consider updating the species lists, as most are from 2019. But I won't do this as long as I'm blocked from cleaning up the stubs as I go. Sarefo (talk) 23:41, 27 January 2026 (UTC)

:::{{reply to|Sarefo}} Don't worry about offending me, you'll find it very difficult to do. To clarify, I never said I preferred a certain style, only that I haven't cared enough to act on it. Truthfully, I prefer the inline citations, though it was also difficult for me when I first started, so I feel like I understand the mindset behind it.
::: As for the reasoning behind CITEVARNO- in short, the fundamental problem is that many of your edits that move references to their own section also block users who prefer the Visual Editor from modifying the references. It's not about anyone's personal preferences; it's about keeping access open to all users.
::: I've started a discussion on the project talk page ↗. To keep this from spreading out among everyone's user talk pages, I encourage you to state your case there and refer anyone else who reverts your edits to that discussion. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><span style="color:green">Sesame</span><span style="color:blue">honey</span><span style="color:red">tart</span></span> 07:10, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

Requested photographs categories

So you're creating a bunch of potentially problematic categories, sticking one entry apiece in them and walking away? A spot check reveals that this area needs a lot of work even without dumping a lot of new categories on it. I don't have time to sort everything out right now. I did notice :Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Fairbanks, Alaska ↗. Since the surrounding borough has its own category tree, "Fairbanks, Alaska" refers to the city of Fairbanks, not everyone's arbitrary definition of Fairbanks. As such, neither of the entries I saw are in Fairbanks. Help me out as to what your intentions are here. <span style="color:green;"> RadioKAOS </span>/<span style="color:green;"> Talk to me, Billy </span>/<span style="color:green;"> Transmissions </span> ↗ 02:31, 5 July 2026 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|RadioKAOS}} Oh where to start.. at the beginning I guess? I work with a group that travels a lot and we figured taking and submitting pictures was the best way we could contribute. The immediate problem we ran into was that image requests by state were massive categories with no indication of where each image was. If I'm visiting Denver for example, Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Colorado ↗ has about 400 unsorted images across the state. I have no way of knowing if any individual request is near me or closer to Grand Junction, etc. So that's where the idea began; to help people who want to submit images, sorting the images by more specific location so it's not so overwhelming.
:I've been at this for most of the year, and every state is unique and has its own issues and has to be treated different. New Mexico had a lot of merge issues where someone from the native culture wrote an article under the native name and a westerner wrote a separate article under the name they know it by. Texas has a lot of images for "dallas fort worth metroplex", but that area is huge and includes several surrounding counties. For Nebraska, I ended up making a category for Omaha separate from Douglas County based on the distribution and how it worked out. Alaska is also unique in its own ways, and it actually helps to have someone who may be more familiar with it to help out because at the moment, Alaska seems like a huge, unknown, largely unexplored and complicated place.
:I went back to double check the two Fairbanks sorts you mentioned. Alaska Satellite Facility ↗ says it's at the University of Alaska Fairbanks ↗, and the "University of Alaska System" template sorts Alaska Native Language Center ↗ under the Fairbanks section, likely because it's taught at University there too? That one's a little more difficult to understand exactly what image is being requested (but that's a pretty common problem with these image request sorts. That and images being added and the request isn't removed) I understand that the definition of "Fairbanks" is complicated, and I've considered separate categories for the surrounding boroughs but I've only looked at it for one single day. You may notice all the sorts I did started with the letter "A". I'm only a single human, I can't do the entire thing in one day.
:I won't argue that it's complicated and not a one-to-one ratio, but the hill I'll fight for is sorting them by a more regional area (uniquely designed for the area's culture) is much easier than everything dumped into a state category. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><span style="color:green">Sesame</span><span style="color:blue">honey</span><span style="color:red">tart</span></span> 17:43, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

Marjanus ↗

I got to this article you created via the "random article" button and noticed it looks a little strange - a genus of spiders with one species, found only in China and Greece? And doing a little more poking, I see there may be another species in Iran? I'm not an expert in spiders, but it looks like there may be some errors here. Brianyoumans (talk) 14:25, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
:Not exactly "errors"; a second species was described in 2021 after the article was created. I've updated ''Marjanus ↗'', but an article needs to be created at the species redirect. Peter coxhead (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
::Except that the "Greece and China" part was in there from the article's creation. I suspected that it may have been a mistake caused by the journal article discussing a number of different findings from different countries. Or did they think it was the same species at that time? And now it has been decided that it is a new species, and it is found in Iran, Turkey, and Greece?Brianyoumans (talk) 16:11, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Brianyoumans}} the World Spider Catalog is continually updated, so species and distributions change. The article may well have been quite correct at the time it was created. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:20, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
::::I think I'm still slightly confused, but I'll get over it. Thanks for improving the article! Brianyoumans (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Brianyoumans}} The best resource I could find is here ↗. I understand how describing the distribution using human defined political boundaries can be misleading and I don't particularly like it either. Realistically, it also exists between the areas listed, but spiders aren't exactly the top of the research priority list and wp frowns on original research. Scanning through this one, it looks like a (classic Gnaphosidae) story where the taxonomic tree was originally created based on something like common markings, but more powerful microscopes and the ability to do genetic studies told a different story and they're trying to piece it back together a little at a time. I got really into it a few years ago, and there are some true heroes out there whose stories will never get told. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><span style="color:green">Sesame</span><span style="color:blue">honey</span><span style="color:red">tart</span></span> 01:15, 9 July 2026 (UTC)