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You know, I've been fortunate in my life to have witnessed Laver and Rosewall walk out onto the court to play each other; to have heard the applause, to have heard dead silence from the crowd as a point was in progress. The years have come and gone as did the antics of Nastase, Connors and McEnroe... the stoic determinations of players like Borg, Evert, and Sampras... and now the space age materials and all-court players such as Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. Between submitting articles to tennis magazines, I've watched the ladies game move from lithe of foot players like King, Goolagong, and Navratilova, to athletic powerhouses, using hi-tech equipment, such as Graf and Williams. Service has changed from having to keep one foot on the ground or just getting the ball in play, to players who can fire a dart that only high speed cameras can behold. The four majors have changed in my lifetime from three grass courts and one clay court, to one grass court, two acrylic courts, and one clay court. The courts have also been changed in the last 20 years to be closer to the same speed; Wimbledon slowed down and the French Open sped up. The balls have also been slowed down and with all those changes the tougher-to-master net game has disappeared but the multi-surface champions have blossomed.

Of course I wasn't there in the 1920's when tennis truly went international and the ILTF wrote into their bylaws that no Major championship could claim to be a "world championship" or that the language of tennis would be "for ever in English", but the repercussions of those early days, and binding together of adversarial organizations, laid the groundwork for what we have today. The sport is special to me and it always will be. As we venture into the unknown of pandemics and crowdless stadiums lets applaud how far we've come since Spencer Gore won the first Wimbledon Championships back in 1877. We'll get through this with flying colors, and not just tennis. We'll mourn our great losses but eventually move on like juggernaut. Tennis looks like it's in good hands with the youngest generation of players ready to grab the brass ring from the seats of their steads, but the legends are still hoping they get some splinters from reaching out too quickly. Cheers. Fyunck(click) (talk)

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link=|25px|alt=Information icon ↗ There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ↗ regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Disruptive campaigning at Gulf of Mexico ↗. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits ↗) 15:23, 2 January 2026 (UTC)
:Wow, two days later and it never stops with some people. Just because the real world is uncivil doesn't mean Wikipedia has to be. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:04, 2 January 2026 (UTC)
::I've closed the discussion on the talk page in question as an uninvolved editor. '''I'''seult'' Δx '' ↗talk to me 01:25, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Iseult}} Thank You. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:10, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

A new edition proposal

Hi, @Fyunck(click) . I bring to you a new edition perspective: Don't you think is better to substitute 'WTT' (stands for "World Tennis Tour") with just 'WT' abbreviation? Look what I did on Sebastián Báez ↗ profile - I rewrote as "World Tennis" (Full name "World Tennis Tour" is already implied on Section name) on 'Legend' bar and opted for 'WT' as an abbreviated form. What do you think? Hoping for your opinion/feedback about this. PindoramaBoyy (talk) 16:41, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
:I would keep it at WTT. It gets used in the tables also where the only reason to shorten things even more would be to keep the column less wide. But It already has "Grand Slam" and "ATP 1000" which is much longer than WTT. I really don't see a need to shorten an acronym from three letters to two letters. Plus the sources call it the "World Tennis Tour" (ITF ↗ and official emblem ↗). But that's my opinion. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
::@Fyunck(click) Ok, thanks for your feedback PindoramaBoyy (talk) 03:26, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Fyunck(click). Thank you for your work on 1966 Australian Championships – Men's doubles ↗. Another editor, Mariamnei, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol ↗ and left the following comment:

{{Bq|1=Thank you for your work on this article. Please add more sources - primarily secondary sources - and footnotes to back up each claim. Please also establish notability as per WP:NSPORT ↗. Thanks and have a good day!}}

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Mariamnei (talk) 09:15, 7 January 2026 (UTC)
:I added the inline sources, both newspaper and Australian Open citations. This is one of the four biggest events in professional tennis and is highly notable. Every event we have ever done for the four Grand Slam tournaments has had no issues and passes NSPORT and Tennis Project Guidelines with flying colors. To say otherwise is crazy. It is in our WikiProject guidelines to make tennis draws for all Grand Slam tournament level events. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:57, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

Unnecessary info

@Fyunck(click) Unnecessary "Record against Top 10 players" sections on Aslan Karatsev ↗, Dominic Stricker ↗ and Luca Van Assche ↗ profiles PindoramaBoyy (talk) 00:39, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

:@Fyunck(click) Waiting for your feedback on this PindoramaBoyy (talk) 14:29, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::The deprecated sections have been removed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:::@Fyunck(click) Thanx PindoramaBoyy (talk) 18:59, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:::@Fyunck(click) Same issue in Dino Prižmić ↗ profile PindoramaBoyy (talk) 20:15, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Tennis player infobox

Hey there. The new seeded players system seems to have been embraced well by most, so definitely worth bringing to project level for a more permanent consensus; otherwise, bit frustrating with the constant early ranking changes (e.g. Elena Rybakina ↗), but hey, what can you do. On the topic of consensus (and forgive my ignorance if there is), what's the go with the order to list countries in players' infoboxes? Can sort of understand wanting to give more prominence to the player's current country, but feel it makes a lot more sense to list chronologically like everything else in the infobox; again, could be wrong, but I don't really know of an example other than tennis infoboxes where some elements are listed chronologically and others not. '''4TheWynne''' (talk • contribs) ↗ 08:52, 1 February 2026 (UTC)
:I'm actually not sure on country order in infobox but it seems we have always done it current first. It's not like a table where we do things chronologically... this is an infobox where it should be front and center what country a player plays for. If they played for four countries the current one would be buried if we put it last. If anything, with the infobox only being the most pertinent of info, or at least in a data aspect, we'd only have the current country listed and no others. The old stuff would be left to prose (like we do for coaches... just the current coach). But since it's usually only one or two nations in a players lifetime I have no issue with listing them both, but I do think the country they are playing for today is the one that should be what we see first in this case. And we have a new seeding system? I didn't even notice we had changed anything. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:43, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

::Not that I agree, but if it were up to you, would you apply that same logic to former players – most recent country first? I was referring to the colour system ↗ – only one objected to it (not even so much to the new system, but how it was introduced), whereas everyone else continued to use it. '''4TheWynne''' (talk • contribs) ↗ 09:58, 1 February 2026 (UTC)
:::On the color system... yeah, I like your color only on the player name and the symbols you used. I agree that the project could be informed. I don't think it needs a full blown discussion "unless" someone objects. I can mention your chart/color/symbol tomorrow on the project and that if anyone objects to it please note it so we can discuss. Then if no one wants to change it the discussion will fade away. But that way we have a record of it for future reference. I guess I would do it for past players too. I look at the infobox as readers coming to see... what's their record, what's their rank, what country do they represent, how many titles won, how tall is the player. I don't look at it as what was their record a few years ago, what rank were they in 2023, what other countries have they represented, how many titles in 2020, were they shorter in 2024? But here's an item against me... what if a retired player played 12 years representing Australia and in their final year they represented Canada. You'd certainly have to mention they played for Australia.. it's what they are best known for. But what would we place on top? I admit it's a bit tricky and I'm not etched in stone on this topic. My basic thought has always been if a player in their first couple seasons plays for a country and then changes and plays the rest of their career for another country, and wins most of their big titles for the later country, it should be top and prominent. Like Martina Navratilova. She pretty much won everything playing for the United States so that should be at the top. There will always be exceptions I guess. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:26, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

Agreement on details

If you want, go to the page Iga Świątek career statistics ↗ and tell me if there is anything that doesn’t match the changes I made. I want us to find a consensus, so I want to clarify this with you in advance to avoid future issues.

Some of the changes:

'''Performance timeline'''

* The note regarding what is included under 'overall win-loss' is now placed at the bottom under 'notes' instead of at the top of the table (in translation, so that all notes related to that section are at the bottom — readers won’t care, only editors).

* The note about the Pan Pacific – Wuhan change is also at the bottom.

* I think that for all w/o (walkovers), we should use the same footnote number and write something like 'withdrew during the tournament, not counted as a loss.'

* I think if a player advances without a match, it doesn’t need to be highlighted.

'''WTA Tour finals'''

* Check how the legend looks.

* Note like 'International → WTA 250' is placed at the end under 'notes.'

'''ITF Circuit finals'''

* I included a 'prize' column because there are confusing cases, such as previously having $75,000 but now W75 is $60,000.

* As in the WTA Tour finals, include all categories, but if there is no final, put a dash.

There might be other things; I’m not sure. Thanks for the collaboration! - JamesAndersoon (talk) 15:54, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:In addition ...
:* Should the tournament names in the performance timeline have a #efefef background, use header style, or a white background?
:* Should NH and NMS be #767676 for text color, #efefef for background, or something else?
:* Should NH and NMS always be shown as abbreviations, or if there is enough space, spell them out as 'not held', 'not master series'?
:* For Premier 5 and Mandatory tournaments, can we use NMS, or do we need to specifically use NT1, NP5, NPM? - JamesAndersoon (talk) 16:00, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

:On the changes: While the chart should be identical for every player, the notes and such are nor as far as I know. Most everything you did looks fine. When I make legends for WTA finals or ITF Circuit finals, if they haven't played a particular level event I tend to not include it in the legend at all... there is no need if it doesn't exist. Other might disagree, I have no idea. Sort of the same thing with Swiatek's ITF legend. She played no W15 or W60 events. She played 15K and 60K events, so the legend doesn't really need another column. I still need to think on the last section. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:05, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::Ok, thanks for the feedback. Please just inform me if you figure something out for the remaining things. JamesAndersoon (talk) 14:03, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::In double checking, for NH NMS and NT1 we must use efefef with no background unless changed by the project. We cannot use NMS for women since they have never had a Masters Series event. Even the men have dropped Series and added 1000. Both current mens and women's should probably be changed to NTK for "Not Tier 1000" for uniformity since the both WTA and ATP use 1000 now (women since 2021 and men since 2009) for those level events, but that would likely require Tennis Project consensus. Other than someone as old as Djokovic, NMS is really deprecated. We could also use NT1 for both "not tier 1" and "not tier 1000", and tweak the key as such, since it is essentially the same thing. Fyunck(click) (talk) 15:32, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Ok, just check for text color since you here said 'efefef' but on Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines ↗ it is #696969. JamesAndersoon (talk) 17:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep, mistyped. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:06, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

I need your help

@Fyunck(click) This profile @2026-17322-67 was vanadalising tennis profiles, like João Fonseca ↗. Can you report him?

Thanx PindoramaBoyy (talk) 21:52, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:Looks like their only edit, but they were warned. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:51, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::@Fyunck(click) Thanks! PindoramaBoyy (talk) 23:00, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

About tennis profiles

@Fyunck(click) Could you fix Guido Andreozzi ↗'s "Challenger and ITF Tour" section too? There are a lot of repetitive links

Thanx PindoramaBoyy (talk) 20:05, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Could you fix Marco Trungelliti ↗'s "Challenger and ITF Tour" section? Thanx PindoramaBoyy (talk) 14:33, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::@Fyunck(click) PindoramaBoyy (talk) 14:33, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

Curious as to your reasoning

Hello. I thought long and hard before writing this and it is not intended to be combative or start anything so apologies in advance if it comes across that way. Since you seem to be following me around Wikipedia lately, I wondered why don't you take a look at the 2026 section for Ekaterina Alexandrova ↗? I tried to fix it and put it in the usual style (ie no set scores and replacing social media and foreign language citations with proper, English language ones) only for it to be reverted, including the incorrectly formatted citations originally used, along with the editor involved adding their usual aggressive edit notes for which they have been warned and taken to administration for in the past. It is the same in the Maya Joint ↗ 2026 section, but I can't be bothered to fix that because the same thing will almost certainly happen. Anyway take a look or don't, I'm just pointing them out and am curious why you feel the need to alter my edits and make snippy comments but let other, disruptive editors run wild? Have a good day. Shrug02 (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
:I'm actually not following you. I have a thousand articles on my watch list... mostly tennis, so I see every current player's edits every single day. What snippy comment did I make other than a reply to your comment? I always thought you did mostly good stuff. What edit of yours did I alter that wasn't against guidelines? I will look at those articles you mention. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:50, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Shrug02}} The Alexandrova 2026 section has been fixed.... goodness the overkill on sourcing was bad. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:09, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
: There are absolutely no rules that would say to replace "foreign language citations with proper, English language ones". ("Proper"? Why only the English ones are proper?) And there are no rules forbidding to add some details. You and Fyunck(click) just restated the data from the draw table in prose with no analysis. I am shocked by what happened. I don't really have the time to think about it now. But what happened made me think about the quality of Wikipedia in general and how all most of the tennis biographies here are just tables put in prose. Yes, it is not always possible to write something meaningful when there are hundreds of pages that need to be updated regularly, but if someone does add some details beyond raw statistics, why delete? (Talk:Ekaterina Alexandrova#2026 Abu Dhabi ↗. In case anyone reads this and wonders what that was about.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:00, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
::It has always been consensus that English sources are what we want first unless they can't be found. The only real thing I deleted was a sentence that was being repeated... that was absolutely useless. And I dumped a heap of sources and made it two. That's all we need. I'm actually shocked you think we need more. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:19, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Need your help

@Fyunck(click) Some profile vandalized Buvaysar Gadamauri ↗ profile - with an edition of his "ATP Challenger" section out of WikiTennis standards

Thanx PindoramaBoyy (talk) 17:34, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

:@Fyunck(click) need your help about this PindoramaBoyy (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

About your 'Legend' bars removal. A new proposal

@Fyunck(click) I saw you started removing 'Legend' bar on "ATP Challenger" and "ITF Tour" events of Tennis players - but how about a better approach? Instead of removig these Legend bars, I think it's more fitting removing "Tier section" with these repetitive 'Challenger' or "Futures/WTT" after every event name. The color indicated by the 'Legend' bar (Orange - Chll. / Blue - ITF) already explains the type of event, so removing Tier section makes more sense

A profile, @BundesBerti does that on German tennis players' profiles for some time, and I think is a better edition perpective. Check Diego Dedura ↗, profile, for a good example

What do you think? Waiting for a feedback PindoramaBoyy (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:Here's the thing. We have never traditionally used or needed a legend table when all the events are the same event. Using a player like Roger Federer career statistics ↗ you look at Grand Slam tournaments and they say "Grand Slam tournament finals: 31 (20 titles, 11 runner-ups): no key or no tier section is used. The same format is used throughout with Olympics, Year-ends, ATP 1000s, etc. Even the Challenger section has no key and no tier column. It's redundant. I have no idea who started adding those things but the only place we use a key is when it's absolutely needed, like with "ATP Tour career finals" where we have multiple levels of events. Also you cant do what you suggested since Wikipedia does not allow color to be used as the only means for people to tell what an item is. Some readers cant discern colors. So yeah, we don't need the tier section at all for challengers, but neither do we need a legend.

:I think that key started to get used when someone mistakenly started combining the Challenger and ITF events together and totaling them together. They are not the same level event. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:12, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::@Fyunck(click) So what approach will you use from now on? Removing both Legends and Tier sections? PindoramaBoyy (talk) 23:16, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::There is also time involved. It's 100x easier to remove the legend than the column. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:21, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::::@Fyunck(click) I would love we on Tennis Wikipedia could make a standard for these players profiles once and for all - it saddens me seeing these profiles lost without a universal pattern PindoramaBoyy (talk) 23:24, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::We do and we've had them for years and years. Someone simply started adding info that was already there. We aren't losing anything. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:54, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::@Fyunck(click) What's your opinion about this aesthetic edition made on Buvaysar Gadamauri ↗ profile previously? -> {Here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buvaysar_Gadamauri&diff=prev&oldid=1352363363|Here ↗} PindoramaBoyy (talk) 00:31, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buvaysar_Gadamauri&diff=prev&oldid=1352363363 ↗ PindoramaBoyy (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Absolutely no consensus for anything like that. Plus we already know it's 1-0 by the header. We list titles and runner-ups in the header already. There is also no indication that a symbol or wording must also be used. The box would really need a symbol in it to place next to each entry in case the reader can't see color properly. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:43, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@Fyunck(click) What about an edition proposal I made on Arthur Fils ↗' "ATP Tour Finals" section. Please look it up - I think it's a more clean approach to these sections
:::::::::ATP 250 -> 250 / ATP 500 -> 500 / ATP Masters 1000 -> 1000 / ATP Finals -> Finals / Grand Slam -> GS / Olympic Games -> OLY
:::::::::Waiting for your feedback. I'll revert back if you point an error or edition choice against WikiTennis standards PindoramaBoyy (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@Fyunck(click) Waiting for a feedback PindoramaBoyy (talk) 14:50, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Right now that is against guidelines for those fields. Why are you attempting to fix something that isn't broken? Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:39, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@Fyunck(click) Same with you removing "Legend" bars, I guess? Nothing too repetitive with the Legend bars, as you alleged. Tier section on the other hand yes, they're repetitive thus unnecesary PindoramaBoyy (talk) 19:08, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How can you say the legend bar is not repetitive? All the original articles have no legend bar in challengers because non of the Grand slam tables, ATP 1000 tables, Year-end Championship tables have them either. None of them! We have them in ATP Finals because their are multiple tiers within the table. The legend discerns those tiers. The WTA ITF's also have multiple tiers where the ATP ITF does not. That's the only reason to use the legend. Now some nut started merging the ITF and Challenger events and when that happened it had to have a legend to divide the two types of events since Wikipedia won't let us only use color. If the table has both ITF and Challenger levels a legend is needed. If it doesnt, and the header already has that info, we don't double up the data. But I agree that if the header says "Challenger" only then we certainly don't need a column that says Challenger. Same with ITF/WTT. Only if we have a combined Challenger/WTT table would we use a legend. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:43, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@Fyunck(click) Ok, I also removed "Tier section" on Pablo Llamas Ruiz ↗ profile - better remove them too, as they're also repetitive PindoramaBoyy (talk) 21:14, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Agreed. As long as there aren't multiple tiers in one table, and the headers gives the info also (Challenger and the win–loss record), we don't need to say the exact same thing twice. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:27, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::@Fyunck(click) another edition I've just made - Sho Shimabukuro ↗ PindoramaBoyy (talk) 23:30, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Sounds good. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:32, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::@Fyunck(click) It will be a lot of work to do the same in all tennis players profiles PindoramaBoyy (talk) 00:48, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::There are all kinds of players with all kinds of bad tables.... ones that have never been upgraded or fixed. 20+ years of errors. Especially on retired players. I really never go searching for them... no one does. But when I fix something else and I notice the bad tables I will often fix them at that time. It's not going to hurt anything to have them there while we get to them. There are thousands of charts that still use the coding "bgcolor", long since deprecated and one that actually causes some issues now. Hopefully slowly getting fixed. And players that have tables that combine the win totals of ITF and Challenger Tours. That is really bad for our readers and we haven't fixed all of those either. We'll get to them eventually. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:51, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

''Survivor'' lead paragraphs

Hey, just wanted to update you before I do it. But I may revert your previous edits to some of the ''Survivor ↗'' pages. While at first I did agree with you, I did some looking around for any precedents or formats to follow.

Since this is more a TV series it should follow that format rather than something like the 2026 Kentucky Derby ↗ or the Academy Awards ↗.

Some series to follow:

'''Reality comp shows:'''

''The Challenge ↗''

''The Real World ↗''

''The Amazing Race ↗''

''Big Brother ↗''

'''Television series:'''

''The Simpsons ↗''

''Greys Anatomy ↗''

''ER ↗''

''Law & Order: Special Victims Unit ↗''

etc. ↗

Ending, we should follow WP:MOSTV ↗. If we think we this should change we can either farther discuss on the ''Survivor'' talk page ↗ or we can see what the American television task force ↗ believes is correct. Just wanted to share my research and why there will be a revert before I did it. Thanks for helping:) JoyfullySmile (talk) 18:31, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
:Then tv has it wrong. You are making it that we will write the one hundredth and twenty second season and that is improper english. You also cant source it because even CBS doesn't use it. MOS TV does not say to use it. The problem is that it is perfectly fine to use it for the "first season" but not when you get to "eleven." And if you use a number designation in a sentence the rest of that sentence should use numbers and vice versa. Bring it to survivor talk or MOS tv talk. Before changing them again. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:46, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
::Oh sorry, it has already done but a discussion is open on the ''Survivor'' talk page ↗. Its pretty much the same thing I have shared here. I can submit something in a bit to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/American television task force ↗ to see what is a correct format:) JoyfullySmile (talk) 19:00, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Image sizes

Could you stop mass downsizing images in infoboxes like you did here? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Gasquet&diff=prev&oldid=1322181542 ~2026-29785-65 ↗ (talk) 09:30, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:That's standard size for tennis bios and actually all bios for years and years. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:I am not mass downsizing... I fix them them to standard Wikiproject size as i find them. Standard infobox size has always been either 200 or 220px... usually 200. That was when the default image size at wikipedia was 200-220 pixels. Very recently wikipedia decide to change the default image size to some ungodly 250pixels. That didnt mean the infobox pic had to change with it. That is why we have an image_upright parameter for infoboxes. 200px is Standard tennis project infobox size for years and years and it has been confirmed by places like Help:Infobox/picture. Since image_size has pretty much been deprecated so we don't use 200px anymore, the equivilent is image_upright = .8. Wikipedia MOS says nothing about .8... it says not to use anything over 250px. We don't! In fact Wikipedia '''Policy ↗''' says never to use an image in an infobox bigger than upright=.9. We simply use .8 as we always have since the 250px bloat happened. What may be happening is wikipedia just changed all user preferences to automatically show tiny little images when set to .9 or smaller. So it's not showing at .9... it's way smaller. That's a Wikipedia problem. You can override those tiny images in your preferences if you like. I had to myself. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:35, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Career Slam @ RG

I saw that you removed the bit about Sinner's Career Grand Slam, so I opened a thread on it on the talk page if you want to add any further thoughts. PatriotasR (talk) 19:44, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Listing for discussion of :Template:Tennis tournament seeded players legend final ↗

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Advice on differentiating trivium and notability

Hi there! I'm a casual sort of tennis fan but I've edited the pages for major tournaments once or twice, generally in the foreword to include notable things (I recall adding notes for the final major appearances of Drobny and Von Cramm, for instance). I can see you're a bit of a savant in this space, so I thought I'd ask your advice on how you differentiate trivial information and notable information. Some things are quite clear to me (say, the tidbit about the Cerundolo brothers and Zverev brothers in the 2026 French Open men's singles) and others are clearly notable (Sinner's second round loss and the lack of major champions progressing). I wanted to know if you had certain shorthands or thresholds you used so I can ensure, if I edit pages in the future, I can avoid adding fluff? The Voivodeship King (talk) 08:42, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{replyto|The Voivodeship King}}Experience helps but I'm not sure there is a golden set of rules. Sometimes I revert what I think is trivia and sometimes that gets reverted back. I usually move on until long after the event and rework it at that time. The usual thing is Wikipedia is not a book and travel brochure. It is an encyclopedia that summarizes the most important aspects of an article. Final appearances of past major winners or former number ones is usually important. Trying for a career Grand Slam in a final is important, but losing in the second round is not. Otherwise that same stuff could be in a dozen French Opens. Winning streaks are important but not necessarily to the French Open... just for the player. And brothers that make it to the third round... you really think that one of the most important aspects of the French Open? Perhaps if it's the only time in history, but it happened just eight years ago... and those names from eight years ago has no importance. Take a look at other modern French Opens an look how long the article is. If this is already two to three times as long and we haven't even had the semis and final to write about, perhaps it's time to do some trimming. That's how I tend to look at things.

:As I said, sometimes others disagree. I get reverted all the time and move on. But some things belong on the actual player bio, not the French Open article. We want the absolute biggest highlights of the French Open men's singles tournament and I do my best to make that happen. I hope that helps you understand me, and thanks for asking nicely. I am also known to change my mind if someone explains their side of why things should stay or be removed. Gotta be flexible at Wikipedia. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:17, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
::Ah, just realised I made an error in my original message. I meant to say that the brothers thing was clearly trivia and agree with your removal. Clear oversight on my part and I appreciate the speed of your response. I absolutely agree with your approach and it certainly helps me conceptualise the difference. Thanks! The Voivodeship King (talk) 11:07, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Need your help

@Fyunck(click) A profile is vandalizing female tennis profiles - here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/~2026-30860-85 ↗

By the patterns I saw, I think it's the same profile who was vandalizing these profiles last year but with a new account PindoramaBoyy (talk) 15:09, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

:@Fyunck(click) Please, It's the same old profile vandalizing these female tennis players profiles - removing "setting" sections, even when some players have outdoor and indoor Tour finals. He/she also keep adding Russian/Belarusian flags despite them being banned by ITF/ATP/WTA since Feb 2022 and followed by WikiTennis Project PindoramaBoyy (talk) 15:40, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::I was away for a few days. A couple things. There is absolutely nothing that says we have to mention surfaces that were never played on. And while I usually see a legend of finals by surface, and don't think finals by indoor or outdoor is needed. Where was that agreed to? Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:44, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
:::@Fyunck(click) It's a shame - It turns every profile with a different appearance, a chaos.
:::But out of this little divergence, this profile above keeps adding Russian and Belarusian flags despite warnings about this topic PindoramaBoyy (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
::::@Fyunck(click) Look how he/she treats other user that corrects his/her controversial editions: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veronika_Erjavec&diff=prev&oldid=1359185621 PindoramaBoyy (talk) 18:44, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::@Fyunck(click) And he/she her being stubborn and provocative, edit warring about Russian/belarusian flags: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:~2026-30860-85&diff=prev&oldid=1359187034 PindoramaBoyy (talk) 18:46, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::@Fyunck(click) This profile keeps adding Russian/Belarusian flags despite multiple feedbacks counseling him/her not to do that. Why don't you send a "Warning Report" to him/her? PindoramaBoyy (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I did tell them not to do it. Did they do it again today? Link? It's possible I missed something but I see no additions of Russia or Belarus on June 14 and 15. In fact I see some removals of the terms today. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:41, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Unnecesary section

@Fyunck(click) Could you remove Robin Montgomery ↗ "Head to Head record" section?

Thanks PindoramaBoyy (talk) 15:46, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

ATP Masters - Multiple series

@Fyunck(click) - I have heard the term "Cross-era masters" from one of the wikipedia editors and I do not have any sources. There are multiple sources contradicting career golden masters for all the doubles players. Primary source ATP has been silent on the CGM of doubles players (I could not find any ATP source on this, in fact any of the secondary sources as well. ATP just coined the CGM term only for Singles, that too only once). Of course, one can not undermine or overestimate the achievement of players (Singles/doubles) by the virtue of multiple series by ATP from the organization point of view. There is no more "ACTIVE" and it is all about "SIMULTANEOUSLY" OR "SEQUENTIALLY" holding the titles, whenever series / tournaments are changed. Then, CEM may be resorted. I am sure we are going to hear this. Krmohan (talk) 18:46, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Krmohan}}I see plenty of sources including Tennis Magazine and Guinness ↗ that use Career Golden Masters for doubles players ↗. But Cross Era is going to have to come into normal usage before we can use it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:03, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

Can you hear me?

@Fyunck(click) This user keeps vandalizing profiles. Why can't you report him/her? Look at what he/she did to Ethan Quinn ↗ profile -> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethan_Quinn&diff=prev&oldid=1361249019 And he/she is still offensive on his/her words, incting an edit warring

At least communicate to another notable editor what's happening PindoramaBoyy (talk) 19:05, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{replyto|PindoramaBoyy}} Sure I can hear you as always. I see nothing wrong with their edit. Their edit summary was over the top and I told them so. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
::@Fyunck(click) You "can't see anyting wrong"? He/she also removed surfaces legend bar! And you stay silent with he/she offending me and other users? Funny how you altered many of my editions before but seems fine with his/her edit warring. Disappointing reply from you PindoramaBoyy (talk) 19:56, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
:::@Fyunck(click) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L%C3%A9olia_Jeanjean&diff=prev&oldid=1361249782 -> "we don't talk to Sock Puppets" This feel fine to you? PindoramaBoyy (talk) 19:57, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|PindoramaBoyy}} Did you notice I told them to tone down their edit summaries? So I did do something. As for the surface legends, that is a content dispute between the two of you. I think I told you before there is no legend in our guidelines for indoor/outdoor. And the legends we do talk about show 0–0 not just -. We also are fairly flexible on what to include in a legend. Some editors like everything and some (like me) include only those tiers that the player has actually played in. And when a player has only played in one final is the legend actually telling us anything of value? A single table entry of "pending" already shows the record, the surface, and the fact it's an ATP 250 event. When you have multiple tiers of finals in a table I can agree it's easier to glance at the legend... but this person only has one final. So these items are personal preference and therefore a content dispute that editors are supposed to talk over and come to an agreement on a case by case episode. I think that is what you will find if I brought the situation to multiple administrators. They wouldn't care about who's right... they'd just say settle it. They would certainly not like snotty edit summaries and that is why I told the IP to tone it down. You'll note I also told the IP to stop using Russian and Belarus flags... which they appear to have listened to. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::@Fyunck(click) Can't you see yhe problem here? First, it's not "them": It's a single profile who are vandalizing profiles - if it's a male or female user, we can't know. Secondly, regarding your instruction about Russia/Belarus flags issue: He/she only heard you 'cause you're a most prestigious editor - when I argued about the same in the past he/she replied me with offenses and full on sarcasm, not agreeing with for any means. I showed above his/her response to another user but you seem to not care. I thought "edit warring" was a thing to WikiTennis Community, but maybe I'm too naïve. PindoramaBoyy (talk) 00:08, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::I don't know if its a he or she... so its them. How many people is this person edit warring with? As far as sarcasm, one does need to have a thick skin at Wikipedia but I keep my eye on them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@Fyunck(click) You clearly don't as you keep ignoring after the example I showed you PindoramaBoyy (talk) 05:47, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I guess I clearly don't then. Have a good day. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:46, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@Fyunck(click) Funny how you are always behind my editions but ignore real vandalizers. Have a good day. PindoramaBoyy (talk) 13:52, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::One problem with you is you seem to be ignorant on what constitutes vandalism at Wikipedia. I suggest you read up at WP:VANDAL ↗. There is a chasm of difference between content dispute and vandalism. I spend half my time deleting real vandalism or making sure articles are to consensus code. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:30, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

Removing row header color from career statistics

Why did you remove style="background:#efefef" from the "Career finals" table in Barbora Krejcikova's career statistics ↗? The table headers use this background color. Performance timeline table also has it! JamesAndersoon (talk) 09:59, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
:{{replyto|JamesAndersoon}}Actually no they don't. They used to but table headers use wikipedia default #eaecf0. Put it into any paint program and you'll see that table header-grey background color is #eaecf0. And our columns are supposed to match the rest of the headers if color is used, but color is not required. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

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