User Talk: HGP7

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September 2023

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:The edit I made the The Cars album page was absolutely not either bad faith or vandalism. If you disagree with the edit, you can revert if and give your reason but the edit did not cause any damage to the information of the page. HGP7 (talk) 00:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
::I won't revert it unless it was a bad faith edit. What was the motive behind it? ItsCheck (talk) 23:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:::On other album pages I have seen like Their Satanic Majesties Request ↗ where all songs are written by the same person or same people with the exception of one, they would just list the song at the top (i.e all songs written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards except "In Another Land" by Bill Wyman). I was just simplifying the writing credits on The Cars (album) ↗ since only one was not solely written by Ric Ocasek. HGP7 (talk) 23:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
::::Returning to this, I have put the edit back as no response was given, and I believe my case is fair based on Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice ↗. HGP7 (talk) 01:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Nirvana song writing credits

Hi HGP7, regarding the song writing credits of Nirvana's ''Nevermind ↗'' songs, although the original 1991 liner notes say that lyrics were by Kurt Cobain and music was by Nirvana, there has been some updates since then which anyone familiar with the detail of Nirvana's history would be aware of. Firstly, on both the ''From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah ↗'' from album from 1996 and the ''Nirvana ↗'' album from 2002, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is the only ''Nevermind'' song where all three band members are given writing credits, the rest are accredited to Kurt Cobain. Also, the ''Nevermind'' 20th anniversary Deluxe and Super Deluxe releases, and ''Nevermind'' 30th anniversary Deluxe and Super Deluxe releases also say in the liner notes that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the only ''Nevermind'' song written by all three band members and that the rest were all written by Kurt Cobain. Wikipedia also prefers published books as sources and I know there are many that back up the fact that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the only song on ''Nevermind'' written by all three.QuintusPetillius (talk) 07:59, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:Hey there QuintusPetillius, you do raise a valid point about the songs writing credits, I was unaware at the time of what those other releases said so I will reverse the edits HGP7 (talk) 21:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Personnel sections

Hi. Please stop editing personnel sections without providing a reliable source for those changes. On the Radiohead articles you have edited, for example, you have added changes that don't reflect the given sources. Thanks. Popcornfud (talk) 16:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

:Hey there, If you are referring to the edits I made to the personnel sections for The Bends and OK Computer, which I believe are the only ones, those edits were made to reflect what the CD liner notes said (such as adding string arrangements or changing vocals to voice). If there is confusion around specifically the string arrangements, they are still listed in the liner notes just in different parts. Thanks HGP7 (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
::Hi there. I took a look at the liner notes for The Bends and Karma Police but I couldn't see info that matched the changes you made in those articles. It's possible I misread them or missed something — if so, please let me know here and we can adjust the articles again. Popcornfud (talk) 16:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
:::After looking over again, I am still confident in my edit for The Bends but you are right about Karma Police, that was my mistake HGP7 (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
::::You're right — the "string arrangements" credit is on a different page from the rest of the band credits. Thanks for that. Popcornfud (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
:On that topic, please undo this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Out_of_Time_(album)&diff=next&oldid=1229816933 ―Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)<span style="color:red">❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯</span> 01:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
::The edit I made is not unsourced, it’s from the CD. If there is another issue that I am overlooking, I am willing to hear it out HGP7 (talk) 02:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Please reinsert the track names, not numbers. ―Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)<span style="color:red">❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯</span> 02:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
::::I can make that change, I will be keeping the additional information I added though. Although, it may make the personnel extra wordy. HGP7 (talk) 02:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks kindly. ―Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)<span style="color:red">❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯</span> 03:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::No problem, it has been done HGP7 (talk) 03:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::over on "The Final Cut" Page, we are conforming personnel track numbers with original tracklist which is why the personnel track numbers were not your prefered ones. Craigevans2 (talk) 15:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
:One year later and this continues to be an issue. The editor added ↗ a personnel section at "Sunday Morning ↗" which sourced the LP liner notes, even though the liner notes did not provide a personnel listing for that specific track. <span style="font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 40px black"><b><span style="color: #000000;">Tkbrett</span></b><span style="color: #FF0000;"> (✉)</span></span> 15:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::If you are trying to make it sound like I did this every previous time, maybe you should look closer at the responses, each of which were subjective disagreements or both sides being misinformed. Not to mention you reverted fair edits I made to the page too, such as changing rhythm guitarist to secondary guitarist which is not what the liner notes say, or adding John Cale back as a writer. Plenty of the information was listed above and if you wanted to better display the information, you could’ve added more sources below instead of removing everything. HGP7 (talk) 15:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Not to mention you did not remove the same issues from any other pages. HGP7 (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi! I made some edits to Arctic Monkeys' album Favourite Worst Nightmare ↗ adding credits taken from Apple Music. I agree that the credits from the streaming service are inaccurate at times but in the case of this album I think it is totally accurate despite not creating backing vocals to Matt and Nick (if it that makes a difference).
:Pardon my inconvenience FernandoMendoza (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
::Hey there, yeah I realize that there is nothing that says you can’t use streaming services. (just some editors prefer to avoid them) But it this case, since they are accurate I do agree with the edit. So, my apologies. HGP7 (talk) 13:50, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

Can I ask why you're removing personnel sections from Radiohead singles as "redundant"? I don't get it. Popcornfud (talk) 17:57, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

:They don’t add any information that can’t be found on the main album page. All the member’s roles are just blank, if there was individual track personnel then it would make sense to have it. HGP7 (talk) 18:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::I'm not convinced. It's normal to duplicate info across articles where the info applies to both subjects; the fact that we don't know the member roles doesn't mean listing the personnel credited for a song isn't informative; and it isn't obvious to the reader that they can go to the album page to get that information. Popcornfud (talk) 18:14, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
:::They still do not list any information for the band members, I wouldn't call that informative HGP7 (talk) 18:16, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::I doubt my removing of the personnel section deleted vital information from the page. HGP7 (talk) 18:17, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Well, for example, the Personnel section of There There ↗ listed the five members of the band, the engineer, the producer and the cover artist. You wouldn't call that informative? Popcornfud (talk) 18:27, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::If you think it is necessary to the article, go ahead and put it back. HGP7 (talk) 18:32, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::For now I'm going to restore these sections. However, I think there might be the seed of a good idea in what you're saying, even if I'm not fully convinced by the arguments yet, because I'm generally suspicious of including data just for data's sake on Wikipedia articles. You might want to create a larger discussion to get more opinions at somewhere like WP:ALBUMS ↗. Popcornfud (talk) 12:55, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I’m alright with that. HGP7 (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

weezer

hi here is proof rivers played harmonica on the blue album look at the song credits and scroll and click show more. https://genius.com/albums/Weezer/Weezer-the-blue-album Loidforger555 (talk) 22:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:also here is more proof. https://www.google.com/search?q=who+plays+harmonica+on+my+name+is+jones&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1076US1076&oq=who+plays+harmonica+on+my+name+is+jon&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJv Loidforger555 (talk) 22:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hey there, a head’s up is that Genius features user-generated content which means it is not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia’s standards. HGP7 (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::i also provided another link to anothr sorsce in my sceond comment. Loidforger555 (talk) 23:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::That is not a link to a website or proper source. Is it possible you sent the wrong link? HGP7 (talk) 23:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

15 Step ↗

Out of question, is there a reason you keep removing the instruments played by each member on the page for 15 Step ↗? I understand that iTunes is under WP:ALBUMAVOID ↗, but "avoid" does not mean that it cannot be used altogether, and in the absence of liner notes (which I can't seem to find online anywhere), I personally don't see the good of removing information for the sake of it. Leafy46 (talk) 01:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

:Fair question. In cases like this where there are no liner notes to say which members play what, it’s safer to not list anything. For example, most Radiohead song pages do not have a personnel section. Streaming services are somewhat notorious for not being perfect when it comes down to who plays what. I agree that removing information “for the sake of it” is bad but we have to guarantee the information is from a good source and is true. Otherwise it should not be there. HGP7 (talk) 01:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::Fair enough, thanks for your quick response. I don't 100% agree with discounting streaming services, but I definitely see your point and, after looking at a few other Radiohead song pages for confirmation, am okay with leaving specific instrumentation off of this page. Leafy46 (talk) 01:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

R.E.M. accordion

Hi HGP7, I noticed your edit ↗ on Melodica in music ↗ removing the claim that Find the River ↗ included melodica. The interview you referenced in your related edit ↗ makes that clear, and listening to it I agree it's definitely accordion. I listened to the remaining 2 R.E.M. songs, and, though I couldn't find sources, I'm pretty sure "Boy in the Well" is also accordion, so I removed it ↗. In the last case of "Endgame" it does sound plausibly like a melodica (based on its characteristic out-of-tuneness), but I was curious if you are able to find any sources that weigh in on that. It's a real challenge how labels and artists aren't in the habit of publishing who plays what instruments on their recordings! Cheers - StereoFolic (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hey StereoFolic, I would also stand by your edit for “Boy In The Well.” There was not source in favour of it being a melodica either so I think it was ok to remove it. In the case of Endgame, that song does use a melodica. I own the CD copy of Out of Time ↗ and in the liner notes it states that Michael Stipe performs bass melodica on that song. And yes I absolutely agree that it’s a bit frustrating that they don’t tend to list performers anymore. Thank you for the question! HGP7 (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
::Oh wow - if you get a chance to write out a ref to that source, that would be a great contribution, since that article doesn't have any mentions of bass melodica. Actually I think English Wikipedia doesn't currently mention ''any'' uses of bass melodica in music! StereoFolic (talk) 01:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I just added a reference to the liner notes and specifically mentioned that it was a bass melodica now. HGP7 (talk) 01:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Brilliant, thanks! StereoFolic (talk) 02:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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:Thanks for letting me know, I have just fixed it. HGP7 (talk) 13:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

R.E.M. album personnel

Wondering where you're pulling this information from, given I'm seeing very few references for the claims you seem so confident about. Seasider53 (talk) 14:24, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:May I ask which edit you are referring to? I have edited a few R.E.M. pages recently HGP7 (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::''Fables'', for starters. Seasider53 (talk) 14:45, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I just re-ordered what was there HGP7 (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Edits such as this. Please stop being willfully obtuse: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fables_of_the_Reconstruction&diff=prev&oldid=1261359370 Seasider53 (talk) 15:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I was not being willingly obtuse, that was not my most recent edit to the page. Although, I do agree that you are right, I should’ve gone about differently with that edit. I should’ve removed the track number in the first place HGP7 (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::I just changed it now HGP7 (talk) 15:06, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

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The White Stripes credits post-WBC

Hello HGP7! Thank you for edits on the White Stripes articles, however this has already been researched, discussed and decided on. Crediting in these cases is tricky just by the liner notes, because several publications, band interviews and sources clarify that Jack and Meg White co-wrote the music of every original White Stripes song; Jack wrote the lyrics entirely by himself, which is where that distinction gets blurred. This is also confirmed in published books like ''Fell in Love with a Band: The Story of the White Stripes'' by Chris Handyside or ''The White Stripes and the Sounds of Mutant Blues'' by Everett True. In retrospect, outside of liner notes, it is confirmed and accepted that the band co-wrote the music and lyrics were entirely by Jack, even if the liner notes themselves don't always explicitly state that. Watagwaan (talk) 13:48, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Hello Watagwaan! I’m sorry for the confusion, I understand that sometimes there needs to be additional sources along with the liner notes. Thanks for letting me know HGP7 (talk) 16:00, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::No need to apologize! I'm glad we talked it out. Watagwaan (talk) 18:10, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::This is just a small thing, after looking over the pages, I just noticed that my edit to the personnel section of Elephant (where I specify the tracks of the guest vocalists) was also reverted. I was just wondering if there was anything wrong with those or if I could reinstate them? HGP7 (talk) 00:18, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Sorry for the late response; I'm not against that! I didn't mean for all that to be erased, I probably should've double-checked. Watagwaan (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::No worries! Thanks, I’ll add it back HGP7 (talk) 23:01, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

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Bass guitar

From WP:PERSONNEL ↗: ''"Note that "bass" can commonly refer to either a bass guitar or a double bass and should be named accordingly."'' Liner notes are useful but the ''style'' in which they're written does not trump Wikipedia style advice or manuals of style. Thanks, Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:09, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

:I see, sorry for the confusion. I was not aware of this rule but totally understand. Thank you for letting me know. HGP7 (talk) 18:16, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
::No worries. I should've told you at the start rather than making it a bit cryptic. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:35, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Blur liner notes

Please see these four images: https://i.discogs.com/5JO0KgxQPhnkXqnA0o_grMn0pLHpqhJDuPJRyPbd_p4/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:526/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTQyMTQy/Mi0xMzAxMTE1Mjgy/LmpwZWc.jpeg ↗https://i.discogs.com/VkI3k7ZwsSDSktNaAnk1pS4y_DWQvHlRMH29EcXmlNE/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:535/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTYxOTcx/MC0xMjU5NzAwMTUz/LmpwZWc.jpeg ↗https://i.discogs.com/4VMAU9NhF4NCjqluYE46V_D35b4L5IXpY4XKd56FKW8/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:511/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTYxOTcx/Ny0xMzAxMTE3NzM3/LmpwZWc.jpeg ↗https://i.discogs.com/3v3vRyWSrTOr-h4Ue3sJ7pDLLsaOWoPk4wo1A2j6-t8/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:591/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTEyODky/MjgtMTUwMTY4NjMy/Ni02MDUxLmpwZWc.jpeg ↗. As you can see, they all credit Albarn as a lyricist and the rest of the band as composers. I don't know if you're referring to the album, but the singles say something else. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:royalblue">'''ResPM'''</span> (T🔈🎵C ↗) 00:50, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Confusion regarding ''Fever'' single personnel

Hi, I noticed last night that you removed the personnel sections from every song article for ''A Fever You Can't Sweat Out ↗''. I reverted ↗ the one to "I Write Sins Not Tragedies ↗", but I wanted to clarify this before I thought of looking at the others. How exactly are the sections "dubious"? If it's Apple Music possibly having issues in who gets credit on the tracks, would it not make more sense to simply replace it with the CD notes? <span style="border:#000000;border:2px solid #000000;padding:2px">'''λ''' <span style="color:#264e85">'''Negative'''</span><span style="color:#7d43b5">'''MP1'''</span></span> 16:06, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, sorry yes I should’ve been more clear. Apple Music credits are generally avoided and I tend to find then unreliable. It would probably make more sense to use the CD notes, but they aren’t track specific so I am unsure of it the Fever page should have a personnel section yet. HGP7 (talk) 16:26, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
::I had reverted other pages with Apple Music credits and I didn’t notice that one also had a CD ref so that was my mistake. HGP7 (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2026 (UTC)