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DYK nomination of James Comyn


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:Hi! I've done a full review now and have some other issues that need to be addressed. Could you respond there as soon as you're able to? Thanks, --<span style="font-family: AR BERKLEY; text-shadow: 2px 5px 5px gray;">SkyGazer 512</span> <sup><span style="background: linear-gradient(aqua, #d580ff);">Oh no, what did I do this time?</span></sup> 13:56, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Your GA ↗ nomination of William Finlay, 2nd Viscount Finlay ↗


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Ways to improve Vincent Quénet



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Thanks for creating Vincent Quénet ↗! I edit here too, under the username Boleyn and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Boleyn (talk) 14:59, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Edward FitzRoy


Hi, {{u|Atchom}}. Would you please notice the difference between the Royal Military College, Sandhurst ↗, and the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst ↗? Regards, Moonraker (talk) 02:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Hugh Macmillan, Baron Macmillan.jpg


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A barnstar for you!



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Removal of Post nominals



Hi Atchom,

I have seen that you have removed a great deal of post nominal orders in infoboxes across Spanish-related individuals' articles. May I ask under what criteria have you done so?

--Cantabrucu (talk) 15:14, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

:Hi Cantabrucu. Of course you may. I removed these post-nominals because none of them exist. The habit of putting letters behind one's name to indicate state honours is almost entirely peculiar to English-speaking countries influenced by the British tradition. None of the Spanish orders of knighthood give an entitlement to post-nominal letters (unlike the case in the UK, where there is secondary legislation to that effect) and there is '''absolutely no evidence''' of a Spanish custom of doing so. In fact, the Spanish Wikipedia article on post-nominals specifically refers to it as a British custom.

:I realise from your message to another contributor that you disagree, and that's fine. However, unless you're going to provide evidence that people go about referring to, say Miguel Arias Cañete ↗, as Miguel Arias Cañete, OCIII, OCM, EUC, I'm going to keep removing them (the fact that two of these putative "Spanish" post-nominals are actually abbreviations of the English name of the award/post instead of the Spanish one is rather telling.)

:Finally, no, I'm not "a biased British contributor", nor indeed am I British, and I would appreciate it if you skipped the personal attacks. Hope this answers your query. Atchom (talk) 16:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry Atchom. I may have overeacted a bit.

Thank you for your feedback,
--Cantabrucu (talk) 16:50, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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Suggestion



Rather than create a bunch of articles with only one sentence at basically the same time, I suggest you create one article at a time and make it the best article you possibly can. There is no reason, IMHO, to do it any other way. BostonMensa (talk) 20:31, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you for your suggestion, which will be considered with the seriousness it deserves. Atchom (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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:Thanks for expanding the article and continuing to work on it. I've removed the speedy deletion tag from the article.--Slon02 (talk) 01:43, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

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Who's Who UK and microstubs



Who's Who (UK) ↗ is a generally unreliable source ↗, per WP:RSP ↗. Please do not create stubs solely sourced to this entry, since {{tq|Outside exceptional circumstances, the source should normally not be used, and it should never be used for information about a living person.}} Examples of this include Alan William Shave ↗, Draft:Patrick Garland (judge) ↗, etc. I suggest you move all single-sourced entries to Draft space. FYI, I might nominate the single-sourced entries after a reasonable WP:BEFORE ↗ for deletion. Thank you. Pilaz (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
:Thank you for pointing me toward this very recent RSP, which was barely advertised. As an experienced editor, I am sure you will keep WP:CONRED ↗ in mind before making any untoward AfD nominations. Atchom (talk) 01:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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Alan William Shave ↗ moved to draftspace



An article you recently created, Alan William Shave ↗, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable ↗, independent sources ↗. <small>(? ↗)</small> Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability ↗ is of central importance ↗ on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace ↗ (with a prefix of "<code>Draft:</code>" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline ↗ and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Pilaz (talk) 05:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

:See WP:DRAFTOBJECT ↗ to object. Pilaz (talk) 05:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
::the official rule is very simple: "If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace, and if it is not notable, list it at AfD."
::There is a more practical version, which is much ore likely to keep the article: add one more good ref, and move it back. No one is likely to take it to AfD. ''' DGG''' ( talk ) 05:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
:::{{ping|DGG}}, just assuming you're talking about Charles Henry Godden ↗ that I draftified and that you put reviewed. Following the workflow of AFC ↗, how does the article meet the GNG with two sources, one of which is a primary source and the other of unknown reliability? Pilaz (talk) 15:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::the official rule is that everything should be accepted which more likely than not to survive an AfD. This has generally been interpreted not at 51%, but at 67%; many reviewers, including myself, interpret it as being reasonably sure to pass AfD, which means something like 80%. (not that the erratic nature of afd really makes it able to be to quantitated more than very approximately).
::the reviewing instructions are guide to learn how to use judgment--the only actual test is afd. I follow policy according to consensus, and guidelines as I think a reasonable interpretation --but think it responsible to advise anyone who asks to follow them strictly. Workflow and similar instructions and usages I take as advice, not as requirements--but I advise others to meet them to avoid being questioned. Thus I know that an article on anyone who has a RS for CBE is at least 80% sure of passing AfD, based on my experience of the only thing that decisions rest on here, common practice at AfD. (I was involved in several extensive discussion of the significance of these UK orders, where it was decided that that MBE by itself was not sufficient and did not necessarily imply other sources would be found, that OBE, made it probable, but not certain, and that CBE and above always proved to be notable enough, and I cannot recall one having failed afd unless for other reasons that notability. I also know the GNG is merely a subguideline of the Notability guideline, and all guidelines by their nature have exceptions . And Notability is a guideline; attempts to make it policy have failed; the actual policy it is based on is NOT INDISCRIMINATE.
::But you will notice that, just as I say I do, I advised the editor here to add sufficient references to meet the conventional statement. ''' DGG''' ( talk ) 05:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Thank you {{u|DGG}} for the rationale behind your decision, and for being transparent about it. You raise a lot of good points and opened up a few I hadn't considered (given the prominence of the GNG at AfD, one sometimes forgets WP:N ↗ is a guideline). An additional question, since I interacted with User:Necrothesp on this specific topic, quite recently, at User:Necrothesp/List of AfD discussions for individuals with a CBE or above: do you happen to remember on which noticeboard these {{tq|several extensive discussion of the significance of these UK orders}} took place? Not looking for a specific link, just the general direction on where to look - best to incorporate them in a future discussion, if I open a new one. Cheers, Pilaz (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
:: We don't actually have a keyword index to these. But I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)/Archive_2009#Does_an_MBE_confer_notability.3F ↗ and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yasmin Bevan ↗ (2014)/ ''' DGG''' ( talk ) 07:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Charles Henry Godden ↗ moved to draftspace



With only two sources - one of which is a WP:PRIMARY ↗ source, this article is not ready for mainspace because it likely does not meet the general notability guideline ↗. Pilaz (talk) 05:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
: If you object to this draftification, please see WP:DRAFTOBJECT ↗. Thank you, Pilaz (talk) 05:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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Dear User:Atchom. How does one get to 34,180 edits? Chapeau. Wikipedian WatermillockCommon pointed me to "your" article "Bernard Ribeiro, Baron Ribeiro ↗" as an example in support of bolding titles of nobility (in this case "Baron Ribeiro") at their first use in the main text after the first sentence of the lead (where they usually also appear in bold). WatermillockCommon and myself had a discussion about this practice after he bolded such titles in the article Gustavus Hamilton, 1st Viscount Boyne ↗. I was astonished by his edit because User:Peacemaker67 had requested to unbold similar bolding of titles during the A-class review of the article Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty ↗ (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment/Donough_MacCarty,_1st_Earl_of_Clancarty ↗ look for MOS:BOLD). We hope that with your extraordinary experience you will be able to shed some light on this issue. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 10:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
:MOS:BOLD ↗ is very clear, bolding is generally limited to highlight the first occurrence of the article's title word or phrase in the lead section. MOS:BOLD#OTHER ↗ allows for a situation where a reader has followed a redirect to an article or section of an article where they appear in the first couple of paras of the lead or at the beginning of a section. In this sense, they are treated as if they were an alternative article title per MOS:BOLDALTNAMES ↗. It seems to me that it would be appropriate to bold alternative titles in the lead (in both the article title and noble title senses) IF there is a plausible redirect from that alternative noble title (ie someone is likely to search for the subject of the article using that noble title). So, in the case of Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty, if it is plausible that someone might look him up using the search term "2nd Viscount Muskerry" , then there should be a redirect at that title that points to Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty, and 2nd Viscount Muskerry can be bolded in the lead. So, perhaps a redirect at 2nd Viscount Muskerry ↗ would be appropriate. If a section of an article is dedicated to the period while the subject of the article held a particular noble title, AND the noble title is a plausible redirect to the section, then the first mention of the new noble title could be bolded in that section. Beyond those situations, I cannot see a situation where the MOS permits bolding of such titles. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me ↗) 00:46, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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:I'm going to ask this only once, will you please self-revert {{diff2|1161497592|this edit}}? The content was removed on good faith BLP objections, and per policy (WP:BLPRESTORE ↗) cannot be restored without a consensus for inclusion on the article talk page. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
::I've reverted as a gesture of good faith. Please don't use menacing language in the future. Atchom (talk) 03:27, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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Jolyon Maugham



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:I have reverted you and replied on the BLPN. You haven't added positive reviews because there are essentially none. You also haven't explained your removal of the section about Maugham's attack on a serving High Court judge. Atchom (talk) 03:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

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Home Office



Are you sure this is for the lead? "Home Office cat" is just a description. It's like saying "'''Prime Minister of the United Kingdom''', also known as the '''UK prime minister''' ...". If we have that, we also need "government cat", "government mouser", "Cabinet cat", "Cabinet mouser", "Home Office mouser", "British government cat", etc. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 19:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

:"Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office" is like a very recent coinage (not least because the Cabinet Office is a very recent institution). The Home Office historically kept the cat, and "Home Office cat" is a well-attested usage. See the references and also https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/bureau-cats-heart-government/. Atchom (talk) 19:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::Yes, I know. I created the newspaper references. It's still a description. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
:::I think from the sources it is clearly a well-established common name. The current situation is misleading insofar "Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office" is a very recent title and most of these cats were never known by that title, so having Home Office cat in the lede seems more accurate to me. Atchom (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::::I still challenge that. On Ngrams ↗, it doesn't even register. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 20:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::Ngrams is of dubious reliability in this context where most contemporary references are in newspapers (befitting the light-hearted nature of the subject) and not in books. There are enough newspaper references to Home Office cat, a compendium BBC story from the last decade using Home Office cat, evidence from the National Archives that this was what the cat was known as, etc.
:::::For that matter, there is no evidence that Neville Chamberlain's cat, say, was known as Chief Mouser, so the whole basis of the article becomes quite fragile if the previous title isn't acknowledged. Atchom (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::Hm. Chamberlain's cat didn't live at the Home Office either. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::So maybe the whole idea of a century-long tradition of a "Chief Mouser" is wrong? Atchom (talk) 20:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think so. They were salaried at least as early as 1929, and probably since 1924 or before. They lived in different places around London, sure, but that's a bit like saying Robert Walpole wasn't a prime minister because he only governed the Kingdom of Great Britain. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::The "salary" was a Treasury grant to the Home Office, which rather reinforces my point. Atchom (talk) 20:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, yes. Of course a cat isn't going to get a salary. Sloppy wording on my part. But you get the point; it was money for their upkeep. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 21:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Look, I don't want to be difficult over this and I think we both agree on the basics (that there was a long-standing tradition of giving a small grant to an official cat in the vicinity of Downing Street). I just don't want "Chief Mouser" to be anachronistically applied to previous cats, especially when the contemporaneous press regularly referred to them as the Home Office cat. Atchom (talk) 21:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::I see your point. I don't like anachronisms either. That being said though, (and I apologise for the endless comparisons to the office of the prime minister) Robert Walpole to Benjamin Disraeli being called "prime minister" is also anachronistic as the term was not in use until then. I think, given that modern sources (plus the most "scholarly" work on the chief mousers, Chris Day's book) retroactively applies the term, we should too. Maybe the "Home Office" bits would warrant a mention further down in the article, out of the lead. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 21:11, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Point taken re PM but I don't see why having Home Office cat in the lede is so obnoxious. It is a well-attested name for the cat and it is Wikipedia's custom to have alternative names for a subject in the lede. Atchom (talk) 21:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Now in a note. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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Ewan George Francis Stewart, Lord Stewart ↗ moved to draftspace



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:I have moved it back. There was a newspaper obituary (so not "it has no sources") and as a judge of the supreme court of Scotland he falls under WP:JUDGE ↗. Please refrain from drafting articles without valid reason or I will escalate this. Atchom (talk) 13:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Do not add Who's Who's (UK)



Hello,
you were informed last year (diff 1) that ''Who's Who'' (UK) is a generally unreliable source (WP:GUNREL ↗) per current WP:RSP ↗ consensus, which was settled with an RfC that year. That RfC represents the most recent consensus on the publication. I reminded you again of this last week, when I sent Bruce Weir, Lord Weir ↗, Michael Bruce, Lord Marnoch ↗, and Malcolm Morison, Lord Morison ↗ to draftspace for being entirely sourced or partially sourced to ''Who's Who'', which for obvious reasons cannot help meet the GNG. For each of these three pages, you received an individual notification on your user page indicating that ''Who's Who'' was a GUNREL. You reintroduced the draft Bruce Weir, Lord Weir ↗ into mainspace without removing the ''Who's Who'' source (diff 2 ↗), which I then had to subsequently remove (diff 3 ↗). You then re-added the same unreliable source five days later (diff 4 ↗), leaving us with the current article having Who's Who included (diff 5 ↗).

What point are you trying to make? If you are unhappy with the 2022 RfC result at WP:RSN ↗, you are free to challenge that with another RfC there, but not to engage in disruptive editing to prove a point. Please consider this your third and final warning regarding this source, after which this matter will be brought to WP:ANI ↗ on WP:ICANTHEARYOU ↗ grounds. Pilaz (talk) 09:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

:You are the one who have moved dozens of articles to draft space without good reason. Please stop stalking me. Atchom (talk) 13:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:Also, please read WP:RSPUSE ↗ and what it says about context before coming and threatening me. Atchom (talk) 13:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::First, four articles is not "a dozen". Second, the four articles were not ready for mainspace, since they had fewer than two reliable sources, meaning they had "very little chance of survival at AfD" (2a-ii criterion of WP:DRAFTIFY ↗). Third, I found your articles through this, which caught the articles you created on August 8, and which upon review I submitted back to AfC on August 10. One comes to wonder why you insist on bringing back Who's Who at Bruce Weir, Lord Weir ↗, when the other sources already seem to cover the sentences cited: why the overkill with a source that is largely autobiographical? So, let me ask you again: what point, exactly, are you trying to make? Pilaz (talk) 21:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::It is customary to allow newly-created articles a few days to be finished. If you are really impatient to read them, you could have improved them yourself. If you draftify lots of them when it is obvious that they would pass notability it's pretty obvious who's acting in bad faith. You've had to move one of the ones you moved to draft back even though it was obviously notable. You moved another article to draft claiming there wasn't a single source when you were clearly wrong and when that article also obviously passes notability. This is harassment, pure and simple. Maybe you can redirect your energy toward improving this website instead of conducting your pointless vendetta. Atchom (talk) 21:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::{{tq|It is customary to allow newly-created articles a few days to be finished.}} If an article is not acceptable for mainspace given a lack of sources, WP:AFC ↗ can give you more than a few days for you to be finished. And if time is really the issue, please consider Template:Under construction ↗ next time, so that your fellow editors may at least know that you are still working on the article. At any rate, Who's Who falls under WP:SPS ↗, and WP:ABOUTSELF ↗ is the policy you should be concerned with. I also probably don't have to remind you that you can't source the claim that {{tq|His son Robert Weir, Lord Weir ↗ has been a Senator of the College of Justice since 2020, having taken the same judicial title as his father}} to an unreliable source, per current consensus on this source being qualified as WP:SPS ↗,WP:ABOUTSELF ↗#2, and WP:BLP ↗. Pilaz (talk) 21:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::"Context matters ↗ tremendously when determining the reliability of sources, and their appropriate use on Wikipedia. Sources which are generally unreliable may still be useful in some situations. For example, even extremely low-quality sources, such as social media, may sometimes be used as self-published sources ↗ for routine information about the subjects themselves ↗." If you are suggesting he is lying about who his son is, be my guest.
:::::Also, the way you conducted the Who's Who call for comments was disgraceful. You did not inform any of the editors who regularly work on UK topics. You cherry-picked two adverse articles and ignored the dozens of sources saying Who's Who is reliable. Many editors objected at the time, and it will get overturned in due course. Atchom (talk) 21:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::Like I said, you can start a RfC ↗ at WP:RSN ↗ whenever you'd like. Locally contesting the outcome of that consensus is WP:DISRUPTIVE ↗ - you should take it at the same level of consensus ↗ where the consensus on the source was last reached, which is not here. Pilaz (talk) 21:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::You still haven't addressed the context-sensitive nature of the guidelines. It is not disruptive if there is a good reason. Atchom (talk) 21:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::''Who's Who'' may be used as long as it complies with all 5 criteria of WP:ABOUTSELF ↗, per the RfC ↗ designating it as a WP:SPS ↗. In the particular sentence I highlighted above, the claim is about a third party, so it contextually can't be used. I personally don't see a problem with birth dates (although WW has a track record of incorrect information), but it certainly can't be used for a claim about a third party. Pilaz (talk) 22:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::What do you know, the ''Who's Who'' entry about Robert Weir says his father is Bruce Weir! Is he lying too? Are Scottish judges that bored? Atchom (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::I hope you don't think I have an issue with {{tq|His son Robert Weir, Lord Weir}}. What I take issue with is {{tq|has been a Senator of the College of Justice since 2020, having taken the same judicial title as his father.}}{{citation needed}}. And, technically, the "context matters" comes from an information page, which hasn't been vetted by the community like WP:RS ↗ has. So let's keep the discussion around WP:RS ↗ guidelines. Pilaz (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::You know, you are welcome to add the citation yourself. It would seem like a more productive use of your time, and for that matter my time, than to shout at me here and to drafify pages you know are notable, would it not? Atchom (talk) 22:09, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::There is no such requirement on Wikipedia, but there is a requirement to remove {{tq|Contentious material about a living person that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately}}. (WP:BLPRS ↗) Which I did, which you improperly removed. Also, fyi, opening a discussion here is the D part of WP:BRD ↗. It is not my job to find a source for a claim you improperly sourced, though. Pilaz (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yes, why do something yourself which would take 10 seconds why you can waste three people's time? Atchom (talk) 22:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please read WP:BURDEN ↗. It's your responsibility. Pilaz (talk) 22:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::This is becoming a bit obtuse: "I ain't going to look for a reference because that's not policy" is wikiLawyering at best. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::See below. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:09, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::Then fix the issues yourself. It's that simple. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 21:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::As you can see from this edit (diff ↗), {{u|Tim O'Doherty}} I tried. This was manually reverted by Atchom without discussion soon after (diff ↗). Any other suggestions on how to fix the issues myself are most welcome. Pilaz (talk) 21:52, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::I note that the second part of that claim, about his being a senator in the CoJ, is backed up by the Society of Solicitor Advocates ↗, and then reinforced by sources two ↗ and three ↗. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::Granted, and those would be perfectly acceptable. Which was what {{u|Atchom}} should have done instead of digging in with Who's Who to prove a point (?), because the WP:BURDEN ↗ to demonstrate verifiability with citations lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Pilaz (talk) 22:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. But '''''this''''' discussion you've brought here is excessive, and '''''definitely''''' trying to prove a point, more so that Atchom. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I'm sorry if you think this is excessive, but Talk pages are meant to try to resolve disputes like this. I removed a generally unreliable source for a third-party claim as legitimized by a widely-attended 2022 RfC ↗ in compliance with all policies and guidelines, and I can't point out that Atchom puts the same source back after this without any rationale, ignoring parts of policies and guidelines he should be familiar with, such as WP:BLP ↗, WP:BURDEN ↗, WP:ABOUTSELF ↗ and WP:RS ↗. What else am I supposed to do, if not to mention the problem on his talk page? Pilaz (talk) 22:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Also, let's not ignore that this is at least the third time he's become aware of Who's Who being problematic. Ultimately, this does approach WP:ICANTHEARYOU ↗ territory. Pilaz (talk) 22:34, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::No, starting a discussion in which three editors are involved and has dragged out for over an hour when it's a fact which can be verified in ten seconds by Googling "Robert Weir, Lord Weir" is excessive. Atchom used a bad source: so what? We are here to build an encyclopaedia, not to build acrimony. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Using a community-determined bad source when perfectly good sources exist shows a lack of commitment to the quality aspect of building an encyclopedia, IMO. Readers deserve verifiable information from community-vetted sources. Then again, I haven't created nearly a thousand articles ↗ on en-wiki, most of which are still stubs, so I have to concede I can only discuss the quality aspect of the project. Pilaz (talk) 22:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am proud of the articles I created, which overwhelmingly cover subjects who deserve to be covered and are not covered elsewhere. You have nothing to show except harassing other editors on here. Atchom (talk) 23:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Bit of a dig there, but no matter. One of four mainspace pages you created, United Nations in popular culture ↗, is orange-tagged. I don't think you can claim to "only discuss the quality aspect of the project" with that albatross. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 23:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Pilaz, I'm watching Atchom's talk page due to a disagreement we had a few days ago, and I'd forgotten to take it off my watchlist, so I've happened upon this discussion much by accident. However, as a neutral observer, I think you should lay it off. I'm afraid it's no accident draftifying five articles by the same editor in a short period of time. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 21:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you Tim. I am afraid Pilaz has had a grudge ever since he tried to get a new article of mine deleted and lost the AfD badly (after I disagreed with him on some random AfDs). According to his own count, he's draftified 11 articles of mine since then. Atchom (talk) 21:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Henry Frederick Stephenson (MP) ↗ moved to draftspace



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:Reverted, back to mainspace, because WP:POLITICIAN ↗. Still think once source is too light for a stub. Pilaz (talk) 10:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::Do you literally have nothing better to do than to harass other users? Atchom (talk) 13:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

About bringing an RfC


I have read the message you placed on my talk page. I believe that the previous RfC was at WP:RSN. I am afraid that I do not have time right now to prepare an RfC either. I cannot see myself having time to do that for several months, or possibly even longer. I suspect the best starting point for an RfC might be those parts of the ''Who's Who'' corpus where the editor was in complete control (and where the biographees (if there were any) had no control) of what information was published, namely the pre-1897 editions, the pre-1904 tables, the ''Who's Who Year Book'', and ''Who Was Who''. I cannot think of any arguments against the reliability of any of that content that the community would be likely to accept. James500 (talk) 01:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

There was a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 417#Who's Who in Australia - Reliable, please? ↗. Neither you or User:Necrothesp or User:Piecesofuk participated in that discussion. There would be no point in me, or anyone else, starting an RfC if nobody is going to show up because nobody is watching WP:RSN ↗. [I should point out that WP:ABOUTSELF, which was the only argument advanced in that discussion, does not apply because Who's Who is neither self-published (it is published by A & C Black, and not by the biographees, and the biographees do not pay the costs of publication) or questionable (it appears to be generally accurate).] James500 (talk) 06:42, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

:I wasn't notified that the discussion was taking place or I would have taken part. Atchom (talk) 20:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
::No one is ''ever'' going to notify you of any discussion at WP:RSN. As far as I can see, the particpants never send notifications to anyone, even when asked in express and unambiguous words to do so. If you do not actually watch WP:RSN, whether by checking it regularly or by using something like the Wikipedia:Feedback request service ↗ (which may not be able to do WP:RSN specifically), you will never be aware of any discussion taking place there. James500 (talk) 10:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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Do us a favour and use the edit summary feature even (or especially?) when doing bulk edits like moving “sir” in an infobox. You could even link to the exact place in the MOS that supports what you’re doing to save everyone time and avoid confusion. <span style="font-family:Avenir, sans-serif">—&nbsp;<span style="border-radius:5px;padding:.1em .4em;background:#faeded">HTGS</span>&nbsp;(talk)</span> 00:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Moving honorific to 'name' field of infobox



Can you point me to where it was decided that honorifics should go in the 'name' field of the person's infobox? It appears contra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_person#Parameters . If there is a policy or consensus on this, I'd strongly recommend using an edit summary pointing editors to it. I have reverted some of these changes, however if policy/consensus supports it, I'll stop.
Separately, I note that you have added middle-names to a few people's bios, without providing a source. There has to be some evidence presented that the middle-name exists as added. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you for the message. There have been extensive discussions about Sir and Dame since one particular user decided to unilaterally move thousands of "Sir" and "Dame" to the prefix field, when they are part of the name (as reflected by the longstanding rule in WP:SIR that requires them to be bolded in the article lede with the other parts of the name. There is a long discussion at Template talk:Infobox person ↗ and a couple of simultaneous threads elsewhere.
:The middle names are sourced from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, which is widely considered to be authoritative. The cite:ODNB template is sort of broken so I haven't added the references everywhere, but if you will bear with me they will be properly cited soon. Cheers! Atchom (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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::On the middle names, it's just peculiar that most of the extant sources don't list a middle name, but ODNB does. Since its paywalled I can't tell one way or the other. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:::ODNB makes a point of digging out the birth certificates (they are very thorough). If you have a Wikipedia Library membership you should be able to use it. Atchom (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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Sir



Hi, I noticed that you undid my edit of putting "sir" as a prefix on Alan Lascelles ↗' wiki page, to list a few, Tony Blair ↗ Vince Cable ↗ David Attenborough ↗ all pages put it as a prefix so please do not undo it again Edward Jocob Philip Smith (talk) 13:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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What talk page has concluded that Sir should be part of the name as a guideline. Sir Michael Gambon ↗, Sir Mo Farah ↗, Sir Derek Jacobi ↗, Sir Anthony Hopkins ↗, Sir Elton John ↗, Sir Michael Caine ↗, Sir Billy Connolly ↗, Sir Barry Gibb ↗ Sir Ian McKellen ↗, Sir Patrick Stewart ↗, Sir Cliff Richard ↗, Sir Tom Jones ↗ and Sir Van Morrison ↗, Sir Paul McCartney ↗, Sir Richard Starkey ↗ (Ringo Starr), and Sir Nick Faldo ↗ All have it as a prefix. Edward Jocob Philip Smith (talk) 13:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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:I made two edits over 11 days - how is this edit warring is beyond me. Please kindly back off. Atchom (talk) 10:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Sir




In your edit to Sir Winston Churchill ↗:
"'Sir' was in the name field until 2021 (when this article had been a GA for many years) when an editor went on a site-wide rampage and moved thousands of "Sir" to the "name field". To compound everything, he cited MOS:SIR which did not back him up at all. Restoring the page to its lonstanding format on this basis" So you said that it was wrong for a long time and now that it is right, you want to put it back to how it was before, just because it was longstanding? 212.250.203.150 ↗ (talk) 14:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

:Blocked for sockpuppetry. Atchom (talk) 01:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
::So with regards to Alan Bates ↗, it's been set. But now I ask, what about other actors? Are their Sir/Dame prefixes all meant to be placed in front of their names as well, I would presume? (There shouldn't be any difference, right?)
::Here are a bevy of examples that come to mind: Julie Andrews ↗, Michael Caine ↗, Gladys Cooper ↗, Daniel Day-Lewis ↗, Olivia de Havilland ↗, Judi Dench ↗, Edith Evans ↗ (And should '''Edith Mary Booth''' even be in the infobox like that??), Michael Gambon ↗, Alec Guinness ↗, Rex Harrison ↗, John Hurt ↗, Celia Johnson ↗, Angela Lansbury ↗, David Lean ↗ (So I snuck in a director, big whoop!), Ian McKellen ↗, John Mills ↗, Helen Mirren ↗, Michael Redgrave ↗, Vanessa Redgrave ↗, Margaret Rutherford ↗, Maggie Smith ↗, Elizabeth Taylor ↗, May Whitty ↗
::Whoops, just realized how long this list is already. I'll leave it at that for now!
::P.S. Just if you wouldn't mind helping me comprehend this for future reference, since I'm still a novice at peerages but a huge fan of cinema and these actors and I want to grasp this: Laurence Olivier ↗
::The suffix, OM, that's the Order of Merit ↗—his post-nominals ↗, I get that. Now the rest.
::The paragraph begins '''Laurence Kerr Olivier, Baron Olivier'''
::While the infobox reads~
::''The Right Honourable''
::The Lord Olivier
::The prefix, The Right Honourable ↗, his pre-nominals ↗.
::The moniker "The Lord Olivier".
::And the territorial "Baron Olivier".
::What each means, especially those latter two…why they're different in each spot—plus specifically placed in either spot? This is all a bit foreign to me (an American), but I'd love the Peerages-for-Dummies version without the excess palather, please?
::Just noticed Richard Attenborough ↗ had the same distinctions when I was about to add him to the above list, in which he didn't qualify. Thanks in advance. --Cinemaniac86<sup>Talk</sup><sub>Stalk ↗</sub> 05:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding the full names of a lot of MPs as they take the oath/affirm (I'm still waiting to see whether my local MP Lizzi ↗ uses a "Sunday name"). But you seemed to give up on adding the excellent source after a while - there's nothing to show where Anna Gelderd ↗'s middle name came from, nor several other later ones. Could you perhaps add the source, so the middle names don't get deleted as unsourced?

And will you be creating the necessary redirects from these names? I wonder whether there's a bot which would pick up the bolded lead name and create one? But in some cases there will be more than one plausible name from which to create a redirect, so I've created Maximilian Wilkinson ↗ as well as Maximilian Peter McGregor Wilkinson ↗, for Max Wilkinson ↗ who is on my watchlist (which is what alerted me to your project). Thanks. <span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span><span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span> 07:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

:And an edit summary such as "Full name" would be very helpful too. Thanks. <span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span><span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span> 07:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Seeking consensus on MOS:SIR



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Eugène Caillaux moved to Draft



Hello, Atchom, and thanks for your contributions, especially to biographies of French jurists and politicians, and related concepts in French law. I think I first noticed this in your article ''Avoué ↗'', which I updated, and that led to some of the biographies, and I noticed you created nine articles today, and a similar number yesterday. I ended up at one of them, and long story short, that is now in Draft space at Draft:Eugène Caillaux ↗, after I discovered that it has no secondary ↗ sources as required by English Wikipedia's notability policy ↗. Please incubate this article in Draft space, and then either submit it for Afc review, or just move it back to Mainspace after the issues are dealt with.

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:Thank you for the message. There are in fact two secondary sources on the Caillaux article if you click through the first and second links. He wasn't a jurist but a politician, and as he was minister of finance I think you can assume he is notable. Atchom (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:: Seems very likely, but still needs the sources to prove it, right? Seems a little thin, so far. I did some searching around (Qwant has some links; see the talk page) and it looks like one of those borderline cases, where it may pass the threshold of notability, but sources dry up past the most basic information, which appears to be the same information, plus or minus, from all the sources, so their independence ↗ is questionable. It might end up better as part of a list article, maybe, List of French Finance Ministers ↗, or something. I mean, how much is available out there about him, if we used every single source in existence about him, from what I have seen so far, they all paint the basic, resumé of birth/death, career positions and dates, and one I saw had his wife and children on it, but we usually don't include them in an article if not separately notable, other than a brief mention in a ==Personal life== section. Mathglot (talk) 00:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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Frederic Morgan, 5th Baron Tredegar



Hello @Atchom. Why have you felt the need to remove the HonMag ↗ and Bar ↗ post-nominals from the Infobox? Mac Edmunds (talk) 21:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hi Mac. UK usage does not give barons a special postnominal. Ditto for honorary magistrate, which is covered by JP. Cheers! Atchom (talk) 21:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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