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Don't Stop the Dance ↗

I have personally watched the music video for Bryan Ferry ↗'s "Don't Stop the Dance ↗" several times, and as far as I can tell, Laurence Treil ↗ is the only woman featured on there, she is only dressed and made up differently. The two editions of the video are interesting. Notice that the screen shot in the article is of the nude women on the beach. I've linked this article to the G-rated version in the "external links." Pkeets (talk) 00:48, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Press (song) ↗

Hi Joe!

Simply just press that big Edit button next to each section, edit what you want, then click on Save, you have now officially learned how to edit. Mazarin07 (talk) 09:56, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
: One more message like the one you just sent me, and I will ask the administrators to ban you. Mazarin07 (talk) 12:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
::Isn't there a rule about not attacking new editors? I see no bannable offense here Mazarin. You're coming across as very sarcastic in the comment above, and I'm not surprised that it provoked a response. If you can't be helpful, then please just disappear at this point. Thank you. Pkeets (talk) 14:34, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Hi, Joe. He's posting at my page now, so I guess he'll leave you alone. There are always a few Type A personalities in Wikipedia who show up irritable and annoy everyone. There are also trolls. Some edits have to be fought to a compromise because of differing opinions. This means it's not always an encouraging environment. I would recommend strict politeness when things start to go wrong. In other words, Don't let it bother you. Pkeets (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
::::Not all editors are unfriendly. I'm happy to help any time. Just let me know. Pkeets (talk) 14:16, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::Thanks! Pkeets (talk) 06:58, 8 June 2014 (UTC),

Joe Walsh Invitation

I received your invitation to help upgrade the Joe Walsh article. That article looks pretty solid already and might just need to be promoted to the community of WP editors that decides on "Good" articles. In any case, I suggest that you compile a list of things that need to be done and then assign specific tasks to your invitees. --'''DOOMSDAYER520''' (Talk|Contribs ↗) 18:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Don Felder

I reverted your changes because none of them were at all helpful. You blew up the photo past its ideal size, you introduced an unsourced claim about Allman teaching Joe Walsh, and you introduced grammatical errors. Please be more careful with your editing, and leave edit summaries as a courtesy to other users to they can easily see what you're changing. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 14:03, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
: And your edits to Eagles ↗ as well. If you don't have a proper grasp of English grammar, you should not be editing the articles. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 14:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Invisible Touch

Sorry that you took offence to that edit summary, but I suppose I was just frustrated at having to look through dozens of edits when each only contained a small wording tweak. Personally I feel you're just as likely to end up with edit conflicts if you make a lot of little edits rather than just working through what you can do to the page in one edit, but really I think edit conflicts primarily occur on pages concerning recent topics. Still, I think it's probably just that our editing styles differ. Ss112 21:16, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Nik Kershaw

I think I'm done with the Nik Kershaw ↗ page. See write up for the music video of "Wouldn't It Be Good ↗."

A Barnstar for You

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Parting Should Be Painless ↗

Okay, all done. Pkeets (talk) 15:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

‎Allan Schwartzberg

I will try to put something together for the career of ‎Allan Schwartzberg at the weekend. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 11:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

‎Allan Schwartzberg update

I suggest that we need to move discussion about ‎Allan Schwartzberg to the talk page ↗ because we are starting to take up space at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music ↗, kind regards CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
:Hi, Joe. I'm sorting out some issues with Australian jazz-rock outfit Ayers Rock, which is a long term project for me. I haven't forgotten about Allan, and I do have a plan, but it might take a short while to get back to it. Have a great day. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Joe Walsh

Why did you request protection on the article? There's been no recent vandalism. '''Doc''' '''talk''' ↗ 11:19, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Recent requests

Hi, Joe. I'm on fire today. I took care of your last two requests. Check the Madness Uncle Sam (song) ↗ video description and see if you think it's accurate. Is that guy in the jodhpurs wearing a British or German uniform? I can't see it well enough in the video to tell, but I'm thinking it looks German. Pkeets (talk) 16:32, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

The Beatles Invite

Changing Commons pictures

Hi Joe. Can I advise you that if you're going to upload new versions of pictures on Commons, you check which articles use them before doing so. For example, :File:Peter Gabriel The Moonlight Knight (cropped).png ↗ is used on Genesis (band) ↗, a fairly high-traffic article, and the new version of commons makes the thumbnail image here very stretched and distorted, so I had to revert it. If you are planning to make any other changes, drop a note on any affected article's talk pages first and check there's a consensus first, otherwise readers will get a surprise. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) ↗ 11:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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Images

Hello, I don't know why you're going around resizing football club logos, but I would urge you to stop as they look terrible when oversized. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Advice acknowledged. I don't usually edit football articles so I'm basically useless :) Kind regards, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 23:08, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:All reverted now. Please do not change the sizes of club crests without discussion at WT:FOOTY ↗ or it could be assumed that you are being disruptive. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 23:59, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

That's fine, I'd also like to apologize, and let you know that I've read the above. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 08:38, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

January 2015

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January 2015

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Are you (joe vitale)?
I'm also crazy Crazy.rodger (talk) 15:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

March 2015

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:You've ignored the 1-game 1-goal loan spell already listed in the infobox. Giant Snowman 10:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Pete Winkelman

When I reverted your edit to Pete Winkelman ↗, I wrote the comment 'please don't offer troll food'. That was a 'brain/finger discontinuity'[!]. What I intended to write was 'please don't offer a bowl for troll food'. So implied insult unintended. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:22, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

External links

Why do you keep putting "External links" headings on pages that don't have any external links? I assume there's some reason but... I don't get it. -- Walnuts go kapow (talk) 12:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Same query here. Please don't do this - we don't add an external links section unless there are valid links to include. Your edits will need to be reverted. Moondyne (talk) 08:23, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

: My sincerest apologies. Revert away, and don't worry about me adding "External links" in future. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 10:19, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Leonardo Ulloa ↗

Hello there JV, from Portugal,

a couple of lines explaining my changes in this footballer's introduction, and thus some guidelines: it's not necessary to include all the clubs he (has) represented, and certainly it is now mandatory we don't include divisions of clubs in the intro. Last but not least, no need to mention the goals he scored in X or Y season (unless it's something important, like in 2011-12 with Almería like I now point out in the current version) or that he scored on his debut, that is the "job" of the storyline proper.

If Mr. Ulloa had any form of international career, of course that would also be intro-material, but he has not. Last but not least, I am not a newbie even though I edit anon now, I used to be User:AlwaysLearning, but asked that my account be vanished after a serious run-in with a troll, had the intention of leaving forever, but seems I cannot :(

Sorry for any inconvenience, was only trying to help. Happy editing, cheers --84.90.219.128 ↗ (talk) 00:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

That's fine. 'Stay Up' & stay cool Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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FAC input

Hi! Since you're a contributor to Wikiproject Rock, would you be interested in reviewing my FAC ↗ for the article xx (album) ↗? Apart from some hollow support votes, it's received only one complete review/commentary, so any feedback would really be appreciated. Dan56 (talk) 08:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

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Help

Hi. Please your completion fill out this Articles The volleyball team and other players. Development volleyball in wikipedia Are waiting you. Good luck. Jacilason (talk) 10:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Football

Hi, Joe. I went through it and tidied up a few sentences, but I'm wondering about the amount of detail in the beginning summary. I'm thinking it pretty much repeats what's below and should be cut down. What do you think? Pkeets (talk) 14:28, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

: Same as you. God, I sound like a robot ("every thought that's in my head, someone else has said" quote from The Who ↗'s 905) Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

John Perry

Hi, Joe. Do you have any idea where this comes from? I can't find the statement anywhere and it definitely needs a citation. "They might have done better signing to Island, whose owner Chris Blackwell made several impassioned pleas to the band, culminating in an helicopter dash to a Midlands gig where he made a final appeal for the band sign to Island."

No sorry Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 21:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)(UTC)

October 2015

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User Name?

So I noticed your user name (Joe Vitale 5) and noticed you are also working on the Joe Walsh ↗ article. I read your userpage, and it doesn't look like you are related, but perhaps you are. Are you related to Joe Vitale (musician) ↗? He has a long association with Walsh and is also from Northeastern Ohio. --Jayron''32'' 19:17, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

No I'm not Jayron32, Joe Vitale is a very popular name but I am in contact with the one that you're talking about, real nice guy. Have a good day Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Phil Collins

Hi, Joe. I'm just letting you know that I've reversed your edit. I know it was in good faith, so no problem there, but as the article subject hasn't expressed any particular political view and the section is really about how he has been mentioned in reference to politics, the established title for the section seemed more appropriate to me. Thanks. Rodericksilly (talk) 14:26, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Okelly-dokelly Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:34, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Mike Shipley.jpg

Good morning Joe! For my learning, if you do not mind me asking, why did you upload a cropped version of :File:Mike Shipley.jpg ↗ with a larger file size? --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

:Morning. I thought that it looked better cropped and didn't know that I had uploaded it with a larger file size. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

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Andy Qunta

Hi, Joe. Is this wrong about his heritage? https://www.discogs.com/artist/424154-Andy-Qunta Pkeets (talk) 03:55, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it is Pkeets, I'm in contact with him personally and he actually had a go at the article himself! Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:05, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

:Okay, thanks.Pkeets (talk) 01:51, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion ↗ nomination of :Sheri Kershaw ↗

Sheri Kershaw ↗

Hi, I added to the article, but it's been tagged for Speedy Deletion. I challenged (see talk page), but her notability mostly rests on who she's been associated with. If you went to help defend the article, you might check in on the deletion discussion. See talk page. Pkeets (talk) 01:50, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Edit summaries, multiple consecutive edits

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Joan Jett edits

Hi Mburrell, I hope that you're doing well. I noticed your edit summery of "return of information about the assault on Mia Zapata ↗", her article claims that she was "possibly raped". I thought that was a good enough reason to remove from the Joan Jett ↗ article that she was actually raped as it would mean that the two article contradict one another in claims. Give me your thoughts! Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

:The Evil Stig ↗ page says rape. I don't visit the Mia Zapata ↗ page, so I didn't know of the different wording. But here are three news articles. (http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/gits-drummer-blasts-nbc-for-exploiting-mia-zapatas-death-on-tv-20140114), (http://pitchfork.com/news/34514-mia-zapatas-killer-sentenced-for-good-finally/), (http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/killer-of-seattle-singer-again-sentenced-to-36-years-in-prison/). As far as I know, there is no controversy about the rape, and it seems the page that needs to be fixed is the Mia Zapata article. Mburrell (talk) 16:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok! BW, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 10:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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Non-free reduced

Hi Joe Vitale. Items tagged as non-free reduced or orphaned non-free revisions need a date stamp in order to get processed properly. The simplest way to do this is through substituting the template; i.e. use {{tls|orfurrev}}, which will automatically add the current date for you. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 21:25, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

OK. Thank you, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hi, it was a mistake, sorry. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:10, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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nice work polishing it up! Was just playing this yesterday :-D - David Gerard (talk) 19:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, sir. It is a half-decent album! ahah.

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Mia Khalifa

Greetings. It is recommended to not replace redirects with piped links, as you did recently at {{xt|Mia Khalifa ↗}}. More info is at MOS:NOPIPE ↗. Thanks. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

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:And if you look carefully you'll see that that was edited before both of your messages. Please be more diligent. Thank you, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
::You're right, my mistake. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:54, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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Separating Diana Ross' ''Thank You'' track listing into vinyl sides

Hi Joe. I'm not sure, as you didn't provide an explanation, why you separated the track listing of ''Thank You'' by Diana Ross into vinyl sides when the album was released in 2021. Vinyl is no longer the dominant format, as you know, and there's nothing to indicate the album was ''intended'' for the vinyl format (and it definitely was not vinyl-only). So I've reverted this change. Fair enough if this were Ross's albums from before the mid-80s, but not for an album released in 2021—if you are making these sorts of unexplained changes on other articles, like separating albums released beyond the 1980s into vinyl sides, you should have a very compelling reason to do so like those I just mentioned or not be doing so. Also, we don't need to explicitly credit the liner notes in a citation per MOS:ALBUM ↗—it is expected this is where personnel come from. Thanks. Ss112 08:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

OK, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
:Hi Joe. Just jumping into my old thread here to say you don't need to capitalise the 's' in 'rev''x''score' in Template:Album ratings ↗. It's been decapitalised for years now. Also, I don't know if you're still doing so, but as I've just seen your edits from earlier this month on Christine McVie (album) ↗, just a reminder to not split albums released after the vinyl era (so from the 1990s to present) into sides, unless you can demonstrably prove the album was still intended for the vinyl format. I think albums released after 1982 with CDs becoming a thing then (even if it did not become the predominant format until the late '80s) are an edge case so I don't even think say, albums released in 1984 ''need'' to be split into vinyl sides if they aren't already. Ss112 03:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
::But with all due respect, weren't cassette tapes with sides one, and two the leading formats at that time?
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:::Do you have a source for cassette sales exceeding vinyl sales in 1984? Also, again, please stop re-capitalising the 's' in "score" in Template:Album ratings ↗. It was decapitalised ''in the template documentation'' years ago. Ss112 02:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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Please remember always to check your links: the blue link in your photo caption set the supermarket as being in the lake. I've fixed it. '''''Pam''''''''''D''''' 07:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I did not realize as I'm not from those areas, and just expected the links to be where they were if that makes sense. Naive rather than lazy, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

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Ever heard of "Show Preview"?

You must have made like 20 edits in 50 minutes on the article In the name of love ↗. Ever heard of the Show Preview ↗ feature ?! I mean, your work is very good and appreciated, but damn ... that insane list of edits in the history! -- Lyverbe (talk) 11:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

:If it improves the article than that's all that should really matter as that's all that the reader really sees anyway IMO (better than not improving the article at all I should think?). I have reading, and some spelling difficulties (I have to Google spellings often) which may seem ironic given how prolific I am here but the small edits help me to check things off whilst making sure that I make no mistakes (I still do), and I would struggle to proof read anything that I've corrected... Hence doing things in small doses making any of this possible for me. I understand your issue, and why you've raised it but it feels like an essential way of editing for me that has worked since 2014... Almost a decade ago now, I'm feeling very old. Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
::Again, around 40 stupid edits on Quick_Step_%26_Side_Kick ↗. LEARN TO USE "SHOW PREVIEW" for crying out loud. If you don't know how to use Wikipedia, don't use it. -- Lyverbe (talk) 10:36, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::And if you're going to be a gatekeeper of Thompson Twins ↗-related articles, don't message me, because it's the only time that you do. Quite toxic really when once I've finished doing everything with an article, I've finished. I'd understand your ire more if it was every day in your direction, but it is not, and you're clearly holding some sort of rancour. Thank you, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 10:51, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Joe Vitale 5!

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"The" Manchester music

Thanks for your edit just now on Manchester ↗. I learned something now about the MOS and how bands name "The xxx" are described within articles. It's something I'll remember for future edits, but I do however notice that if this is a rule it's not consistently followed or enforced. A quick look-see at The Verve ↗ showed relatively poor compliance, while The The ↗ was much better but nowhere near 100%. Would it not be better to fix all music articles before reaching out elsewhere? Just a (polite) thought... 10mmsocket (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

I spend most of my time doing this on articles, honestly. Manchester was just next on that "list". Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

:I know what you mean. I do similar on other issues. 10mmsocket (talk) 16:43, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Hlists for credits

Hi Joe. I had reverted your ''Whammy! ↗'' track listing edit back on April 3 because I don't see anything in WP:TRACKLISTING ↗ that suggests writing credits should be formatted with the hlist template and separated by bullets. (In fact the examples given there use plain commas as separators instead of any special mark-up.) Additionally, WP:STYLEVAR ↗ states {{tq|When either of two styles are acceptable it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change}}, and that {{tq|edit-warring over style, or enforcing optional style in a bot-like fashion without prior consensus, is never acceptable.}}

If it's a matter of personal preference, I'd probably agree that bullets do look better, but we can't really use that as a guiding principle when editing. To my knowledge, there is nothing in the MOS here that states credits have to or should be laid out in that fashion. Hope that helps. Cheers.—The Keymaster (talk) 21:50, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

:: I usually go off if the infobox has them first, and it did, and still does... So thought that it would look more congruent with both that, and the track listing having hlists. Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Annabella Lwin and Durango Dank songs

Hi Joe! I am new to this. And I had seen that */Annabella Lwin/* was featured on two songs 1. I kiss The Morning Sun ↗ Song and Mo Money Song ↗; with musical artist and producer Durango Dank. I tried to follow the same format. And yet, Binksternet Michael Knowles (Producer), and egghead6; shut me down "Claiming promotions, and spam. And yet it's the same format. And instead of these two keeping open minds, and think like educators, for the betterment of your craft, and your platforms. these two should take the necessary steps to advance the work they try to do. Instead of Shutting ME DOWN! these 2: ARE TROLLS in the Metaverse! AND THEY HAVE BEEN INDEXED AS SUCH! These two could learn a lot by your work! And the Legacy you will leave behind for others to admire, and walk in your footsteps. Be the teacher, the educator that you are just in your work alone. But I would really like to learn how this all works. And share ides, and stories. Not just getting canceled, and blocked. (A Troll in the metaverse comes in many forms. This form is entities that destroy stories based off what they feel, or perceive! To the actual reality of events, and circumstances; that don't fit the heavy handedness of "Binksternet Michael Knowles" (Producer), and egghead6 actions toward other people uploads. The Good news Artificial intelligence knows al! And it all stars with our voices, and cross talk indexing. But I'm sure once these two realize they are not in good standing with SOCIALCREDITSYSTEMSCORESANDRANKINGS.COM ↗. 2601:282:700:ED50:FDBC:DC3A:A783:F80 ↗ (talk) 14:39, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Editing whitespace

Please don't make edits where you only remove whitespace character ↗s and capitalize the first letter of templates, like in Special:Diff/1161553863/1163358041 ↗. This fills up article histories with useless edits, clogs watchlists, and tends to annoy editors who prefer to have the whitespace there. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:Seconded. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Sources, please

Hello, Joe. I know you have been here for a while so I'll skip the convenient template. However I saw on Billy Idol ↗ that you assigned him some band in the infobox ↗ which is mentioned in the prose only once as having existed for a single set in 2018. Do you have any sources ↗ you can cite ↗ that "Generation Sex" is an actual, ongoing act? If you do, please add them when you revert my reversion ↗ of your edits. And could you, in future, please use edit summaries ↗? Thanks, — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits ↗) 18:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

:They're currently on tour. Just Google them, I mean they played Glastonbury Festival ↗ recently too so if you think that this is some imaginary or one-off performance band then I don't know what else to say. Thanks for the reversion, and edification, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Alice Cooper ↗

Hello Joe, Why are you refractoring all these talk page posts ↗ ? - '''FlightTime''' ('''open channel''') 14:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

: Felt like cleaning it up, and adding links to the pages that people were referring to would make it easier to read, and thus post/respond to. A more congruent-style may also help others (like me) in the aforementioned ways, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
::I wouldn't do that ↗ - '''FlightTime''' ('''open channel''') 14:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
::I agree with FlightTime; please don't do that. It's appropriate to move newer threads to their proper location at the bottom of a Talk page, or use a template to sign unsigned posts, or even to fix WP:LISTGAP ↗ and MOS:INDENTMIX ↗ problems, as I have done here, but not to actually edit somebody else's posts. I've just reverted ↗ that exact string of 31 edits, but have left your previous string of 6 ↗ untouched. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits ↗) 20:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Understood. Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 22:14, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Please review WP:OVERLINKING ↗ Thanx, - '''FlightTime''' ('''open channel''') 03:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, again, Joe. While I'm here whining, I might as well complain about something else: I see that of the 93 edits made to Alice Cooper ↗ in this calendar month alone, all but 6 were made by you. You made 61 edits in a two-and-one-half-hour period this morning, most of them of about 20 bytes or fewer (but none marked as "minor"). These all appear in my watchlist, listed separately, so it's quite overwhelming. I'd therefore like to point you to three more pages, which might help you fit in more successfully:

Help:Show preview ↗ (mentioned to you in August 2016)

Help:Minor edit ↗

Help:Edit summary ↗ (mentioned to you in July 2016)

I'm surely not the only editor who will be grateful if you would use Preview more often and combine multiple edits before publishing your changes. And when your edits are minor ones, please mark them as such. A brief explanation of what you're doing is also always welcome. Thanks, — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits ↗) 12:26, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

:You can’t mark them as minor on your phone or else I would have — a lot of these edits had to be done one by one as I was sorting out references— and I could only do that as I saw them — as I had to individually search each link manually switching between windows full screen (which took me three hours). It was just as tiresome, and as overwhelming for you as it was me, I’m sure… but I’m finished with those sort of edits to that article. Other than them being minor, I actually really cleaned that up. If my editing style that has been here since I first started editing articles is a conflict of interest then I don’t know what I can do. Regards, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:41, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, do the edits you made on Bill Skarsgård ↗ such as this ↗ not count as WP:COSMETIC ↗? From what I can tell none of the changes are visible in practice and were not made accompanied by other changes that did. TylerBurden (talk) 05:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Is the problem that I didn’t mark them as minor? If so then sorry. Working on my phone doesn’t give me as much freedom — including marking edits as minor. Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Like the link says "edits of such little value that the community deems them to not be worth making in bulk" such edits aren't considered worth making in the first place, at least not accompanied by other meaningful changes. TylerBurden (talk) 05:31, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Pointless edits

Wow. 26 edits ↗ and not one of them materially improving the article. All of them pointlessly adding or removing spaces here or there, or a capital letter in a template. Seriously, stop. Or at least put all your pointless edits into a single edit. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

:You're not even consistent. In this edit ↗ you changed {{tq|<nowiki>=== Film ===</nowiki>}} to {{tq|<nowiki>===Film===</nowiki>}} (''removing ''spaces inside the heading markup) and in this one ↗ you changed {{tq|<nowiki>==External links==</nowiki>}} to {{tq|<nowiki>== External links ==</nowiki>}} (''inserting ''spaces inside the heading markup) . What's the point? Wikipedia users won't see any difference, and Wikipedia editors will either prefer one way or the other, or not care. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
:I totally agree with this. JoeVitale5 makes tons of useless edits without ever using the Show Preview ↗ buttons cluttering everyone's Watchlist page. This is the kind of editor we do not want. -- Lyverbe (talk) 12:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

One chronology only on album articles

Hi Joe, please stop inserting additional chronologies for albums. There was a consensus against doing this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 62#Multiple infobox chronologies ↗. The only real time extra chronologies are accepted now is when more than one artist is credited on a song or album. Thanks. Ss112 11:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

:Understood. I just thought that it made it easier to go onto the next studio album rather than have to go to artists template box or click through live album, compilations, and etc, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Confusing edit

Why did you make this series of edits ↗? It seems like (comparing ↗ two revs ↗) all you did was add white space. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 00:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

: Just for you to revert, evidently enough. ―Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 00:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::You made 10 edits in a row and all that was changed was "Portland, Oregon, U.S" to "(Portland, Oregon)", which is not an improvement. Instead of being sarcastic, can you tell me why you did all of that? How are those edits improvements? ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 00:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

: To be, or not to be ↗, to make all articles look similar or the same in their formatting, so that they're easier to read, and more up to date. Please forgive me for my transgression ―Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 00:18, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::You ask for good faith from others and then you act like this. Why? ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 00:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
:::: All humans are hypocrites, especially the ones that pontificate —
:::Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 01:09, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Fascinating. Please stop making dozens of edits to whitespace across the millions of articles here. Thanks. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 02:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::: So is Laura Veirs ↗ someone that you’re a fan of ? As I saw her play live last year, and met her briefly afterwards
:::::Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 02:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::I've heard one song of hers and it was nice. You're a bigger fan than I am, evidently. Was she a nice person to meet? ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 02:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::: Sort of, she was in the merch stand at the venue, and clearly only interested in signing things that people bought — but she was still magnanimous enough to sign my gig ticket for me … I can’t consider her in any way rude when the singer for Blancmange ↗ had a whole freak out over meeting people — despite telling people that he was going into the merch area to sign things for people, and he again, just freaked out, and whomever it was that was with him was bullying the people trying to meet him. A total fuck up. I understand that he was wary after having had a bad bout of Corona ↗… but why go into a merch area where you’re going to meet people then lose your shit over it? Belied common sense, and left me both confused, and disappointed.
:::::::Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 03:45, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Agreed: that's not being a good businessman and that was clearly all he was trying to be, so total failure. How was the show? ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 03:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::: For Blancmange? Even without that experience, a bit shit — the singer is still in fine voice but his backing band were awful. He sounded like a Blancmange tribute act — or at worst, a karaoke singer. So put that together with the weird none-meeting wherein he stormed off after looking at me for a couple of seconds, and well, it’s bad business all round ! Haha. They say not to meet your heroes but Morrissey ↗ was nicer to me than him, and who’s supposed to be the hated one? I shook his hand, and had a very awkward conversation in which he seemed to either not respond at all or act like a diva (fake). Strange meeting, and a declined photo. “Not in Waitrose ↗” with a covered mouth was his response to that question …
:::::::::Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 04:28, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::I mean Laura Veirs, actually, but what you wrote all tracks with my intuitions about those guys. I can say that meeting R.E.M. twice, they were perfect Southern gentlemen (without the negative connotations). ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 05:24, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::: How did that meeting come about? Usually I only meet famous people if I have a backstage pass to… but Morrissey, and Alexander O'Neal ↗ were random — and Morrissey was nicer than O'Neal who seemed more interested in my black lady friend than me myself (very strange considering she wasn’t a fan so a big creep move on his part to be honest as he seemed irritated by me; yet Morrissey did not lol)
:::::::::::Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 05:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::After their show in Indianapolis, they walked down the line signing autographs and patiently listening to bad poetry and at the Georgia Music Hall of Fame, they descended into the crowd briefly. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 05:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: Haha nice one! With the amount of gigs that I go to you probably get performers leaving the stage/barriers only once out of every ten gigs (you can look on my user page to see a list of my gig going). I always find it quite awkward as I prefer to watch shows than to interact with or touch the performers during shows! Another interesting story from me is being crushed into Mark Burgess ↗'s armpit during a Chameleons ↗ show! Oh I have all the stories, and they’re all cringeworthy haha.
:::::::::::::Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 05:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It's almost never worth it and nowadays, I am much less interesting in bothering these poor guys when they're just trying to enjoy their evenings (unless they deliberately give you the opportunity to say hi ↗). And ultimately, all I have to say is "Wow, you do good at music", which is literally all that millions would have to say to them, so no need to bother them. But it was fun to meet them in particular. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 05:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::: Strange that you should say that because usually I try to ask technical questions or talk to them about people that they’ve worked with. I think that making them think more about what they’ve got to say can make them either more open or closed off, dependent on who it is. Some people love the sycophancy, and others deplore it… So I suppose I’ve learned that if you’re going to try, and make an impression on a famous person. Don’t talk to them like they’re a famous person - though when I met Morrissey, I said that I loved all of his solo albums, even ''Kill Uncle ↗'', and that made him gasp “oh!”, as he flailed his arms over his head, and took a step back . I confuse celebrities but then again, I run the risk of coming across as a none-fan… but they probably prefer that if you actually want a conversation… but then again, a lot of the time they don’t anyway hahaha.
:::::::::::::::Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 06:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Fred Schneider and the Shake Society

Hi Joe. I passed by the article for ''Fred Schneider and the Shake Society ↗'' and noticed you changed the en dashes in the track listing to em dashes and changed the tracks to be continuously numbered. As per WP:TRACKLISTING ↗, en dashes are correct here, and we actually had a lengthy discussion at WT:ALBUMS ↗ a while back and amended the MOS ↗ to clarify that track listings should always follow the numbering on the original format. (For LP sides, you would start at 1 for each side, except in rare special cases.) Please keep this in mind going forward. Thanks!
—The Keymaster (talk) 06:57, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

:Quite old edits but fair enough, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 07:00, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
::And actually, looking at it further, you also changed "Technical" personnel to "Production and artwork" and linked common instruments, both of which go against what is stated in WP:PERSONNEL ↗. I'm happy to change all of it back for you, but please be mindful of this and change it to the correct formatting if you encounter any examples in the future. Thank you. Cheers! The Keymaster (talk) 07:07, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Once you put the magnifying glass on me — I start to melt away, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 07:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Heh. No hard feelings. The Keymaster (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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:Jeez, this took a while to be nominated for deletion! Haha
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Confusing edit

Why did you do this ↗? Looking at the two revisions before and after, they seem identical. Is there something I'm missing? ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 00:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

:? ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 06:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::What was the purpose of this edit? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Javier_Bardem&diff=prev&oldid=1197062339
::Are you deliberately making thousands of edits that just move around whitespace? Why are you doing this? ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 06:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::To make every article appear the same when read from an editor's perspective, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 06:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::::These ''do'' look the same. There is no difference between these. Please stop shuffling around line breaks across hundreds of edits in millions of articles. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 06:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Please stop per https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse&oldid=1197095834#Twenty-year_editor_here_with_a_question_that_I_cannot_seem_to_answer_on_my_own. If I see more edits like this, I will escalate it to an admin's noticeboard. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 08:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::Per the above: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=1197215292#User_insists_on_making_hundreds_(thousands?)_of_cosmetic_edits,_refuses_to_stop_or_discuss ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 16:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::You escalated it when I hadn’t even edited at all after your last message, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Granted, but I also once again asked you to stop tinkering with whitespace ↗ and you did it many times ''after'' that, with no acknowledgement here or any reason other than you just like how <nowiki>"* text"</nowiki> looks more than "<nowiki>*text"</nowiki>:
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Margaret_Ferguson_(political_scientist)&diff=prev&oldid=1197071907
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_of_Mark_Bernstein&diff=prev&oldid=1197073545
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_of_Mark_Bernstein&diff=prev&oldid=1197073604
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ihor_Kostenko&diff=prev&oldid=1197075998
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ihor_Kostenko&diff=prev&oldid=1197076186
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron_%C3%98grim&diff=prev&oldid=1197077044
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron_%C3%98grim&diff=prev&oldid=1197077098
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron_%C3%98grim&diff=prev&oldid=1197077530
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annie_Rauwerda&diff=prev&oldid=1197078816
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annie_Rauwerda&diff=prev&oldid=1197079180
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annie_Rauwerda&diff=prev&oldid=1197079242
::::::::In addition to somewhat helpful edits like:
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::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_of_Mark_Bernstein&diff=prev&oldid=1197074076
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ihor_Kostenko&diff=prev&oldid=1197076116
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annie_Rauwerda&diff=prev&oldid=1197078916
::::::::And totally confusing and needless ↗ things like:
::::::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron_%C3%98grim&diff=prev&oldid=1197077244
::::::::So I apologize that I didn't see the timing correctly when I woke up the next day and I posted to AN in a way that seems to contradict what I wrote before, but honestly, having this same conversation with you multiple times across multiple months and you just ignoring it and insisting on ''hundreds'' of cosmetic edits still warranted getting someone else to ask you to please finally just stop shuffling around whitespace like a malfunctioning bot. The mistake is mine and I own that, but I don't think posting itself is unwarranted. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 20:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't know if having been diagnosed with autism will change your perception of my "baffling", and repetitive edits but it has certainly kept me back from wanting to acknowledge things in the past as I don't like to express this fact, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I 100% respect your privacy and if you want to ask for your above rev to be deleted ↗, that is legit. My goal is not to punish or be a jerk: it's to stop having these disruptive edits that make me wonder if there's something meaningfully being changed to articles and then there's not. If there needs to be some accommodation to your editing style or my method of communication or whatever, I'm open to that. This isn't a matter of a moral failing or character flaw, so I'm not trying to come at you as someone who is intentionally causing problems or who is a bad actor. I want you to be able to edit here productively. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 21:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Changing things in small edits like that is a perfectionism thing for me — not that it's appropriate for articles that I've hardly made any meaningful edits to — but I tend to come back to them eventually to do just that, and I do it subheading via subheading to tick it off so to speak — I understand, and appreciate your concerns however, and how irritating it must be, and clearly is — if I marked these edits as minor then would that stop them from coming up in your watchlist? The problem with that has been when I have been on my cellphone as you cannot mark edits as minor on it — is that what has been the problem?
:::::::::::And you've probably noticed that I never do big edits — that's because I end up confused, and make lots of errors which I do anyway even in small edits.
:::::::::::I think that using my cell more, and also editing more higher profile articles is a big part of what has lead to these ramifications,
:::::::::::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also tend to make smaller edits and save my work, but purely cosmetic edits shouldn't be made. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 19:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Even if part of greater edits? — Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 21:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::If you're in the middle of making some meaningful and constructive edit and you want to change <nowiki>{{reflist}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>{{Reflist}}</nowiki>, God bless you and go for it. If not, please do not make these kinds of changes per WP:COSMETICEDIT ↗ and WP:MEATBOT ↗. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 23:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Understood. I will from this point on only do those sort of edits if I’m focused on actually improving an article instead of purely cosmetic edits as you say. If I blur lines I’m sure you will let me know haha, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Thank you for being collaborative. Be well. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 18:59, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

:My friend, you were asked to ''stop'' disrupting. You said in this thread that you ''know'' that you have an overwhelmingly chronic propensity for unencyclopedic, uncollegiate, and patently disruptive behavior. You cheaply blamed it on a disorder, admitted to a basic coping mechanism of denialism or avoidance, and continued doing it. That's going from bad to worse to worse. Nobody blames anybody for a disorder until you do that. The photo of the predatory cat at the top of this page is so cruelly apt, that I wonder if you get it. You said you know that editing high profile articles is a problem for you, and you dove into the single highest profile celebrity death in the world today with countless needless edits of cosmetic tweaks to wikilinks and whitespace, exactly like always. Even just the sheer number of consecutive edits is disruptive. BTW your claim that phones magically can't mark edits as 'minor' is false, but that's irrelevant. Wikipedia is WP:NOTTHERAPY ↗. {{user|Koavf}} is not your therapist, and he was extremely excessively gratuitously patient and kind. This is not his opinion, and isn't about adapting to him or me at all, but is a fact. Nobody is entitled to the privilege of editing Wikipedia, and editors can be blocked for this disruptive WP:MEATBOT ↗ behavior. I advise anybody to stop editing altogether until getting control over behavior, and I want to prevent blocks. Thank you so very much and, yes, be well. Read WP:NOTTHERAPY ↗ and WP:MEATBOT ↗ right now please. — Smuckola (talk) 02:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Your use of language was insulting to put it politely — and so was editing your comment to 'prove a point'. I understand your concerns, and appreciate them — albeit not in the churlish way that you presented them to me. I think that my most irritating edits to other users are when I edit on my phone — again, I have not seen an option to mark these edits as minor, unless I change it to desktop mode which is unequivocally awkward. I feel that whilst my purely cosmetic edits to articles are the most irritating, and to others pointless, when I actually fully focus on an article I do actually improve it — I did in an infinitesimal way with the article that seemed to trigger your message.
::::However, my editing style often sees me work through things one step at a time, and I only leave articles alone once I feel I have edited everything that could be edited in a congruent way. As whenever I have done big edits there are typos, and erroneous links added. So again, I do it step by step, in a way that is easy for me. I understand how frustrating this looks to other editors however, and I fully accept how that must make them feel.
::::My editing style has essentially been the same primordially so it's difficult for me to understand how to take any edification, and unfortunately in your case, character assassination. That side of things especially was not on, hence my delay in responding.
::::Your sincerely,
::Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Relevant AN thread

Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#User_keeps_on_making_cosmetic,_meatbot-style_edits_after_having_been_asked_to_stop_many,_many_times ↗ ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 15:58, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

:I am starting to see the issue. Joe, I have a bunch of stuff going on and really didn't need 15 notifications about you. It is in your best interest to chill out. What I just said probably goes triple for every admin on that board.
:If the suggestion I made appeals to you, I can suggest a place to start. In that case please ping me and specify any other languages than English that you may speak. If not, good luck to you. I am unsubscribing from the AN thread.Elinruby (talk) 15:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::It’s probably for the best, sorry. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 17:15, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:::If you would just stop wasting others' time, they wouldn't have this response. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 17:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::::i actually '''can''' make some suggestions about where this kind of OCD energy would be helpful. And I am probably the least of his worries. I just resolved one of mine, so I am talking the time to repeat this. Seriously: it looks like you are going to get a final warning, which you should take seriously if you like editing Wikipedia. If you want to do reference work, ping me and I'll assign you some. I am actually rather difficult to seriously annoy, so this is an opportunity for you to show that you can be an asset. Best wishes either way. Elinruby (talk) 20:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::What did I do wrong? Sorry to have upset you, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::I find it ''very'' hard to believe that you think the off-topic rambling about marmite and weird asides on the admin noticeboard was not explicitly wasting others' time. You do this regularly where you just write arcane noise or try to change the topic when someone brings up an issue with your behavior. I hope we're all agreed that the time waste-y stuff needs to stop and that you can and have been a productive editor at times, but endless fiddling with whitespace and making 74 edits that change nothing is a detriment. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 21:13, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I was talking to Elinruby, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I apologize. I do think that's rude and try to not butt in. Pardon me. ―Justin (ko'''a'''vf)❤T☮C ↗☺M ↗☯ 21:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::::He has a point about the Marmite, Joe. AN is especially not a good place for that.
::::::::And I am not mad at you. I am trying to show you something productive you can do, ok? I'm just another editor and you don't have to listen to me, but if you are annoying people and there is no excellent reason to keep doing the same thing, then you should stop, k? If you like fiddly stuff, I know about some different fiddly stuff you can do, and which it would be helpful to do, that's all. Elinruby (talk) 21:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I understand; I’m sorry about my poor behaviour, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 21:27, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
{{od}} You need to say this at AN. It would also be good to strike the part about saying Justin hates you. It isn't an unreasonable request and it would show good faith. I think he may be annoyed but that is not the same thing. Now. I resolved one of my problems but only one of them. Ping me if you want work, otherwise I am out. Elinruby (talk) 21:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
PS to strike, put <nowiki><s></nowiki> in front and <nowiki></s></nowiki> after what you are striking. It shows you realize that that was not a good thing to say. It wouldn't hurt to do the Marmite stuff also, mind you Elinruby (talk) 21:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::You spend enough time in England, and you adapt a very dry sort of humour. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 21:31, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Warning about cosmetic edits

Joe, I'm warning you that you need to stop making the following types of edits, all of which are solely cosmetic and do not affect the article as displayed to readers:

Adding or removing whitespace or line breaks

Changing the case of templates

Adding DEFAULTSORT that matches the article name

There are more types of cosmetic edits out there, but I'm limiting the warning to these in particular because I want to be very clear about what needs to change. If you prolifically make some other type of cosmetic edit, and other editors confront you about it, you need to engage seriously with their concerns.

Normally, cosmetic changes are permitted as part of an edit that does make some change to the reader-facing page, but you should not make any of the changes listed above, regardless of whatever else is changed. You've previously demonstrated a failure to understand when an a cosmetic edit is appropriate, and I'm trying to draw clear lines about what is prohibited.

This warning intentionally does not directly address the concerns, which date back years, about your use of multiple small edits which might instead be bundled into less revisions. I am hopeful that ensuring that each individual is meaningful will lessen the impact of your editing style. Another admin might feel differently about the need for you to change your style, so I encourage you to use the strategies mentioned above (use of a sandbox, use of the preview function) as much as possible.

Please speak up if you have questions about any of this. I think most editors, including those who have criticized your editing, are eager to see change and unexcited about a potential block. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs ↗) 02:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

:I understand, and apologise for all of this. I suppose that the problem with autistic people is that once they get a certain pattern or way of doing things set inside of their heads, it’s very hard for them to change this. I obviously want to as I don’t enjoy upsetting other people that are just mere editors such as myself. I will spend a couple of days to think on this stuff as I already have been. I derive no joy from pissing people off. Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Offer of Wiki-friendship :-)

Hi Joe, I'm Chelsea. As someone who has been reading alllll the WP docs and various noticeboards to get acquainted with en.wiki, I stumbled across the recent troubles you've been having. I'm sorry- it can't feel good, and making mistakes that upset others is a *big* fear for me so I can only imagine how stressed you must have been.

I live with OCD that only got diagnosed last year, once it had gotten really debilitating in my 30s. I have a lot of struggles around desiring "completeness," "perfection" etc so what you've described about what's driven your behavior is very relatable to me.

You've gotten some awesome offers of support from people who know a lot more than me, but I thought you might just want a Wiki-friend aside from all that, once you're settled back in and reframing how you participate here. You clearly know a LOT more about most actual aspects of contributing to the site than me, so I would be grateful for a pal I could casually chat with as I get used to the site's tooling and set up my contributing environment. (My OCD has made computers very hard for me psychologically, but I know that more complex and useful contributions require me to get off the darn mobile app.)

In return, if you want to run ideas by me, or even just vent sometimes, I'd be honored to be your buddy and my talk page would be open any time! I am so impressed by the number of live concerts you attend, I have not attended shows in a longgg time (except a band called Ween last year that I've loved since the 90s, not sure if you've ever heard of them!) but you inspire me to remember how cool live music can be.

I have a lot of friends on the autism spectrum- one of my best friends actually founded the comedy troupe Asperger's Are Us, which had a really great miniseries (I think on Netflix). I know it can be confusing and frustrating being neurodiverse in a world made mostly for and by neurotypicals, but diversity is awesome and we can be proud of it and find how we best fit.

From what I can see, even though administrators were frustrated with your behavior, nobody questions that you are here for the right reasons: to build and improve this amazing encyclopedia. I'm sending you best wishes, and hope you do well at bouncing back from this stressful experience and finding new ways to participate, whether you want to become buddies or not! Chiselinccc (talk) 19:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

::I have missed out on quite a few concerts these past three months. Was assaulted at the Mission ↗ gig in October, and that triggered me to start drinking again, and much heavier than normal which has caused me health issues that have meant I’ve had to back out of quite a few (just not physically possible to even leave my bed) … but to be honest, I think that my love for them has almost completely died anyway. It’s a lot of stress for very little reward. Despite my heavy drinking I loathe drunk people at concerts. Incidentally, I missed out on seeing Slowdive ↗ again on Tuesday (due to just being too drunk), and Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark ↗ on Friday, just due to my body giving up on me, and telling me that I had more than overdid it. These sort of regrets are doing me in, but I’ve kind of just totally lost the drive for them anyway. Leave over an hour before the show, wait an hour outside of it, wait an hour inside of it. Opening act! Yawn… main act, yess! But then that’s when people can play up the most or there are random mosh pits ↗ (even outside of them), and you just lose all of your motivation for them. Not forgetting, did I leave my door locked? Is my home going to flood? Is it going to set on fire? Did I leave my fridge door open? Is my food shopping even in my fridge? You get it…
::So yes, the concerts on paper may look impressive to other people but they were mostly hell to me. The Fizz ↗ concert on Sunday however was wholesome, and I think that they’re one of the greatest bands in modern history.
::However, my editing style is just that, and I don’t ever see it changing much so I’m kind of just done with this, I think. No point me in trying to help you when it’s clear to others that I can’t help myself.
::Best wishes,
:Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 01:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you for your honesty, I have the same drinking problem. Hang in there. - '''FlightTime''' ('''open channel''') 07:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
:::As others may have noticed, I was mainly doing the most for articles of artists that I was going to see — which would turn out greatly embarrassing when I had to miss out on them. I do think that I did help with these, and added a lot of first time photos — not expecting thanks for this as this is a thankless thing that’s to be expected. The drinking has cut down since yesterday, and intends to be cut down even more. Shame when it’s on every corner, and when you’re drunk you can just go get more in less than 10 minutes. Wreak havoc on your body, and soul then keep drinking to stop yourself from thinking about all of the things that you’ve said, done or missed out on, and then of course perpetuate that cycle, and do even more damage. I think that lockdown ↗ for me personally is what made this the worst as anyone who has drank too much for months at a time will know that it makes you think solely about all of the awful things that you’ve done in your life, all the pain, and the shame that people have brought to you, and all of the pain, and the shame that you have brought to them. Which obviously means that you live in an extremely distorted reality that’s hard to break even when sober. The concerts helped for a bit but only a bit as etiquette is out of the window these days, and you encounter a lot of strange people who either make you uncomfortable or actually abuse you, see above. Makes the world feel that extra bit even more lugubrious. Strangely, I’ve been treated worse at concerts than I ever have been in pubs (save for a couple). Now, given that pubs are generally toxic environments it says enough, and it’s really weird as I wouldn’t have otherwise expected this at concerts.
:::Incidentally, Imodium ↗ has helped me out with the issues that have plagued me since Thursday albeit I’m finally much better today. Just shit (funny) that I missed out on OMD. But I’m going to miss out on a hell of a lot more if I keep this up.
:::Best wishes, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I made this too much about me, FlightTime. I was just hoping that we could relate experiences but I’m not asking for anything that you don’t want. I just hope that you get the help that you need, and that I can have a brain transplant so that I’m better here haha, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::I hope for the same my friend! Please know this, you are welcome at my talk and email me anytime. Have a great day :) - '''FlightTime''' ('''open channel''') 20:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::Sorry, I only fax people lol. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 21:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Damn, my fax hasn't worked for decades :P - '''FlightTime''' ('''open channel''') 03:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I’ll come fix it for you haha, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Joe

checking in. I think maybe some people want to be your friend regardless :) so there. I don't edit music much but I think you are far from the only person in that topic area
With the issue. There are lots of lonely articles out there that could use some love, just sating. The tranatltic phone charges must be murder Elinruby (talk) 22:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

:Eye luv u very much, Elinruby. From myself, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 00:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

::Beltane Fire Festival ↗ Elinruby (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
:::Take good care of yourselves but I’m going now. Take care, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 01:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
:see you soon Elinruby (talk) 01:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
::Never again with any luck. I’m done here, and everywhere else. Best. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 01:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
::Sorry I was being rude, Elinruby. Too many shandies again, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
:::I may get back into editing again but I’m very worried that I’ll just upset people again. As I’ll keep repeating, my editing style has almost been the same since I first started editing. I think that doing all of those concerts made me way more prominent on here, and with way more articles. Before this, I was only ever editing things that no one cared about — which is probably why no one was fussed about me. Obviously that changed, and so did the situation.
:::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 17:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
::::I always though the point of a shandy was to dilute the beer? Maybe for taste. But look Joe have you heard from anyone else about this? Elinruby (talk) 19:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::That was the joke ahaha, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::My favourite drink is Strongbow Dark Fruit ↗, but on the side I will have Thatchers Gold ↗ or Aspall Draught Suffolk Cyder ↗. Don't really like beer, and don't buy spirits in as they're too expensive but occasionally I will have them in pubs... but pubs are becoming far too dear for me now,
::::::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Probably just as well, since you sound kinda depressed, frankly, and alcohol is a depressant. I think what you need is a change of wiki venue. Maybe some Zoloft. I've got had people complain when I change reference formats so I see both sides between you and Justin. What I keep trying to say to you is that if you just go fix some other problem somewhere else 90% of the strife on Wikipedia can be avoided and annoying Justin is not the sole measure of your value as an editor, ok? Elinruby (talk) 21:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Maintenance#Referencing Elinruby (talk) 22:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I’m not depressed I’m Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::And people seem to forget the euphoria stage of alcohol. Tends to lead to regrettable bullshit when you get too fucked though, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 22:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
{{od}} After the euphoria comes the {{tq|I’m done here, and everywhere else}} stuff though. It ''is'' a depressant, just saying. But on. Can I interest you in some Scottish history articles maybe? Elinruby (talk) 04:07, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

:No, I’m trying not to get blocked via doing anything on here haha. Too many eyes are on me at this point, and don’t like that sensation at all. It’s like everyone’s waiting for one false move. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::Though to counter this I have appreciated the support as no one has needed to provide that at all. Maybe all I’m needing is a break, and then I’ll try to do things as asked. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
:::Just go someplace that those people aren't. Edit the history of the Philippines or something. Elinruby (talk) 18:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Since the articles you create will no longer be systematically reviewed by other editors, it is important that you maintain the high standard you have achieved so far in all your future creations. Please also try to remember to add relevant WikiProject ↗ templates, stub tags ↗, categories ↗, and incoming links ↗ to them, if you aren't already in the habit; user scripts such as Rater and StubSorter can help with this. As you have already shown that you have a strong grasp of Wikipedia's core content policies ↗, you might also consider volunteering to become a new page patroller ↗ yourself, helping to uphold the project's standards and encourage other good faith article writers.

Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! – Joe (talk) 11:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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June 2024

25px|alt=Information icon|link= ↗ Hello. I have noticed that you {{usertalk other|Vitale 5|PATH}} often ↗|often}} edit without using an edit summary ↗. Please do your best to '''always fill in the summary field'''. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences ↗. Thanks!  DoctorMatt (talk) 20:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

:Okay, I will try this. My edits are rarely undone or controversial but again I'll try, athough I'm not sure of what to write. Enjoy the rest of your Saturday.
:Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
::That's great. The issue is not whether your edits are undone or are controversial; using edit summaries is a courtesy to other editors, so we can quickly see the intention of your edits. Summaries can be things like: "added wikilink", "corrected spelling", "added See Also link", "reworded for clarity", "fixed typo", etc. They are a ''huge'' help. Cheers! DoctorMatt (talk) 21:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey Joe

I mentioned your name at ANI in relation to Justin (koavf). This post is just for your information. You are allowed but not required to comment. Elinruby (talk) 00:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:I don’t understand? Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:I’ve since found the comment, and think that you were backing me up? I’m not sure because I’m too drunk, but like I don’t like Justin at all. He’s an awful bully, and extremely arrogant. He was the only person who couldn’t handle me when he tried to ban me. He’s a bit of a supercilious fellow. I would’ve swore but it’s not the place for that, and I too support a ban as he’s actually harmful to our community — something that should be inclusive for what are basically volunteers, me, and you both. I’ll repeat that I’m very grateful for those who came out in support of me as it was a very difficult time. I’ve tried to improve my editing style here since despite the ill feelings I was getting. Best wishes to you, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Were you saying that you wished to ban me from music-related articles? Sorry if I misunderstood that. I’ve since been auto-patrolled for creating articles as I created a few useful ones recently enough. Again, forgive me if I’m getting this wrong. Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::No I was suggesting that for Justin. Apparently people feel he has had enough chances though. I brought you up as an example of the problems he causes. Ignore what Joe said; Justin was well-liked nonetheless, but I don't think you can be blamed for being a bit bitter that one of the last things he got away with was getting you sanctioned. Elinruby (talk) 06:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

::I will however repeat my caution that editing while drunk seems guaranteed to get you into trouble at some point. Elinruby (talk) 07:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I don’t usually edit drunk, as it doesn’t lead to anything productive. I am relatively sober right now as I only had some Pimm's ↗ which is not something that gets me drunk.
:::I felt that Justin brought me a lot of unnecessary drama, and was quite horrible when no one else was being or seemingly even as concerned as he was… but I fully accept that how I responded at the time probably wasn’t the best though.
:::I was trying to send him up, which worked to an extent as he didn’t understand me, and that was very much intentional.
:::Whatever the case — this will probably be for the best as I doubt anyone else would even attempt to come after me like he did — it was an awful display of behaviour, and made me paranoid.
:::But nonetheless, you’re probably right about not editing drunk but I felt there was a certain amount of urgency to responding. Much like I did at the time in regards to his mostly one-sided, and failed attempt at a manhunt… which again, just wasn’t necessary.
:::Hopefully the community is indeed better without him, and with some form of magnanimity, I hope that he can come back, with a healthier mindset, and approach to people. But for now, I’m just happy that he won’t be creating any more conflict. He was a nuisance calling other people nuisances. A very strange ego but it’s done now, isn’t it?
:::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 08:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Last I looked, it looked like he was getting a timeout, yes Elinruby (talk) 13:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, I’m more than happy to draw a line under this seems as it has been resolved by him creating unnecessary issues with other people that have been spoken out about which is more than enough vindication for me. I have other things that I’m way more rancour about in my personal life anyway. Comes with age 😂
:::::Take care, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 06:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, why are you removing {{tlx|start date}} from infoboxes? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Look in the chronology area, it shows (160), instead of the year of release. Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
::{{tps}} I'm not an intelligent user, but can you explain this in dumbass language? - '''FlightTime''' ('''open channel''') 22:41, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Honestly, it's as simple as I typed it. Instead of the year of release it's showing (160) in the chronology part of the infobox, so say an album is released in 1984, it'll say (106) instead, every album everywhere is being shown as (106), singles do not seem to be affected which makes it all the more strange.
:::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 22:46, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
::::So, if you believe there is a bug in {{tlx|start date}}, you should not be altering dozens of articles to not use the template, but instead report the problem at Template talk:Start date ↗, and request its maintainers fix that template. Editing one page (the template) is surely better than editing nearly 100,000 articles (based on the page counts displayed at {{cl|Albums by year}}). Consider: there are {{PAGESINCATEGORY:2006 albums}} pages in {{cl|2006 albums}} ''alone'', are you going to edit all of them? Also all of the other articles in the other year categories? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Good point. Short sighted approach. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 23:02, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::Looking at e.g. The Final Cut (album) ↗, it appears that once again, the year is displayed correctly, instead of 160. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:01, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So that's where you came from haha. Hold on to the dream!
:::::::But good, it was becoming stressful after a couple of hours trying to remove them.
:::::::Don't understand what caused it, as it was also making dates go from the British format to American also.
:::::::I didn't know that templates had their own talk pages so that's something new learned too.
:::::::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

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WP:PERSONNEL ↗ says to delimit credits in album personnel sections with commas. Since you've made identical edits to many album pages in a quite short amount of time (and are continuing to do so after my revert of one of these edits), most editors will consider it disruptive, myself included.

I see in this talk page that you can't figure out how to mark minor edits on mobile. Just FYI: the visual editor, ''not'' the source editor, should give you that option. Fundgy (talk) 09:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:Understood. I was kind of basing it on the ''Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band ↗'' "personnel" credits, is that incorrect there also?
:Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:07, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::Great example! That does still use commas, though it's a more complicated-than-average example (because Beatles). The style guide doesnt specifically give a how-to for situations where, if you blindly follow a comma rule, you get:
::a, b, and c, d, e
::Whereas this makes ''does'' make more sense to read:
::a, b, and c; d, e
::I'd think of it as following the comma-delimited rule in semicolon-delimited chunks, if that makes sense. There are different ways you can express how those "chunks" are structured, but the general idea is for the basic underlying list structure to default to the most common punctuation form for lists (i.e. the comma), and to adjust if necessary to simplify things.
::Sorry if I came across as stern before, BTW. It's not exactly a major topic we're talking about here, but I guess we all have our weird obsessions and pet-peeves lol Fundgy (talk) 12:21, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If that doesn't make us human, then I don't know what does! Lol…
:::Don't believe that I will be using the visual editor though, as that confuses me too much (funny I know). Sometimes I have switched to desktop mode in order to toggle the "minor edits" button, but when I'm doing rapid succession edits (as you've seen) in bulk, it becomes way more awkward.
:::As I've said in the past to others, I do smaller edits as I have to pinpoint absolutely everything that I'm doing in particular or it becomes confused, and leads to errors that I may forget about being left behind. Also, I find that the more I think about about something, the less likely I am to do it! So small focused edits are the best that I can do.
:::I only realised recently that I am actually considered to be on the learning disability ↗ register in the UK, as I'd basically avoided seeing doctors/nurses for so long that I just stopped caring/started forgetting about what I may or may not have, so that perhaps leads to some quirks that could be seen as unusual or "disruptive" here.
:::Incidentally, I'm not entirely confident of my contributions to the Reddish Vale ↗ article, so if you'd be willing to look over it then I'd greatly appreciate that!
:::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 18:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Removing singles charts from album pages

I see that you've completely removed singles charts from album pages without any discussion, saying that it's in the discography already. Past consensus on WP:Albums ↗ states that that is not enough justification. Please read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Inclusion_of_singles_charts_in_album_articles ↗

It states "One issue mentioned was whether a discography page exists and whether there was duplication of material. The encyclopedia does not have a requirement that we be consistent where such consistency isn't reflected in the sources that we rely upon. Different things treated differently by sources, should be treated differently by the project. Singles charts as proposed are not prohibited, neither are they required; they should be discussed on individual articles."

Since some of the charts you've removed are some I've contributed, I may restore them so that other editors are given the chance to discuss, and I strongly encourage you to do the same if you believe it's necessary. Fundgy (talk) 01:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:By the way, I don't want this to come across as edit warring. There's a good argument to be made for removing charts of singles like "With All My Might ↗" which have their own dedicated page. It really just requires discussion first, and if consensus says remove, then remove.
:P.S. as a complete side note, there is a certain user (not me) on Wikipedia that is '''''very''''' adamant about not adding "studio" to the lead in certain album articles. Just warning you, because I seem to agree with you on this, but some users {{small|{{small|who post their autobiography and real-life picture on their userpage}}}} leverage admin influence and are best avoided if possible. Be careful out there! Fundgy (talk) 02:29, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
:P.P.S. your talk page is very long, so just in case you're unsure how to archive, please let me know! Fundgy (talk) 02:32, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
::Okay I understand, but I am not used to seeing singles' chart positions on any other album article(s) if I'm honest — but won't remove these things again out of good faith. I personally do not think that they belong on an album's article myself though to be honest.
::As for studio album being in the lead, that is the norm for every studio album?? Strange for someone else to be adamant at removing it.
::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:19, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Honestly, I get the position. My reasoning for including them is generally that, in most cases, singles on Wikipedia are often discussed the most on their associated album page (unless, of course, the single has its own page). My rhethorical question would be: if there's not enough sources to accomodate a standalone page for a song, where should that information go in the meantime? I'd argue if there's an album it's taken from, then it would be the album page. There are a few chart placements that were sourced from old magazine scans, which is more reliable than some of the sources for these charts I've seen elsewhere on this site.
:::About the "studio album" thing, I'm not quite so hard-line on the issue anymore, but their whole argument was very odd. It boiled down to (1) "when people say album, they mean studio album", and (2) "if they've had no other type of album up to that point, then 'studio' is irrelevant". When people go Wikipedia, they go to learn something, not to read stuff they already know. Any decent editor should be averse to generalizing or assuming ''too'' much. Fundgy (talk) 13:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Well, ''Frampton Comes Alive! ↗'' is a very famous ''album'', isn't it? Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::My thoughts exactly. Fundgy (talk) 14:27, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hello. Thank you for your attempt to help at ''Sonic Heroes ↗''. However, please be aware of WP:NOTBROKEN ↗ - you made a lot of link changes that did not need to be done. Thank you! Sergecross73 msg me 19:56, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

:At least I made some improvements along the way, I'm not sure that the redirect you removed from Chaos Emeralds was correct though, as in the lead it lead to some whole other thing. Yours truly, the one, and only, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 01:46, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
::Agreed, you made some good changes. And that's why I was trying to fix them manually rather than just reverting all your edits. Perhaps I messed up with a manual change. Feel free to re-adjust, but ideally, by changing the redirect target at Chaos Emeralds ↗ rather than adding WP:PIPE ↗d links. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 02:11, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, I did change one other redirect to be fair, but understand the criticism on your end all the same.
:::Some users suggested that I may have OCD last year or the year before, and whilst that could be correct or incorrect, I just find that working like this for me, can help me to find "cracks" or mistakes in links (that others ''may'' miss), and potentially change the wording to be more universally understood.
:::It's likely over the top really, but it's the only way of me working through things, and I won't dismiss anyone else's frustrations, as I can perhaps be quite "arcane" at times, as one erudite Wikipedian suggested.
:::Obviously on my end though, I mean no bad faith.
:::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 02:22, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
Hi, Joe. Just echoing what Serge said above—there's no need to "fix" links to unbroken redirects per WP:NOTBROKEN ↗, as you did here ↗ and here ↗. – '''''Rhain''''' ☔ (he/him ↗) 04:16, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, just read your further comments in the edit history now.
:Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 04:27, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

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:Right, so beyond the lack of an edit summary why were my edits reverted? They added more information, and were not controversial. Regards, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:12, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
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:::Right. Well, I lifted the information from the novel, and the novelist's article to give that more information, and included that Oskar Schindler ↗ was a member of the Nazi Party ↗ which is why he had the power to do what he did. He wasn't just an industrialist, and that information is in his own article's lead as it is clearly important. Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm okay with mentioning that Schindler was a Nazi. I think the other changes may merit review at the article's Talk page. DonIago (talk) 21:10, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Then is it worth reinstating that part of the edit for me, please? Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 21:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
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Karel Fialka ↗

I notice that you have edited in revised birth details for this individual. You appear to have ignored the Wikipedia editing requirement, more specifically when dealing with living persons ↗, to support such changes with a reliable source ↗. The most revealing of your edit summaries is 'Karel told me that he was born in 1946'. In itself that does not satisfy verifiability ↗ guidelines, nor explain the other items added around the same time. You have been an editor on Wikipedia for long enough to be well aware of the WP:Five pillars ↗ basics. I nearly reverted all your recent changes but decided instead to seek out your explanation. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:08, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay Derek — well, I asked him directly regarding this information, as incorrect information had otherwise been added/removed — and whilst I appreciate your concern(s) — I’d like to think that you’d trust my/their honesty.
:I directly asked the subject for their birth place, and year of birth, and then added it.
:If it’s worth it for you to then look up a birth certificate or what have you, then fair enough.
:Again, not wishing to downplay your concerns, as they’re perfectly valid, but what I added is completely honest — that is if we’re willing to trust the subject at hand, whom has been kind enough to send me a Christmas card in the past.
:Regards, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 17:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

::I am not doubting your honesty, more your grasp of the editing guidelines, which to be fair are quite strict and precise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources ↗ when dealing with biographies of living persons ↗. I find it hard to believe that you have been editing for 12 years and give scant regard to this. The 'incorrect information' you state, it may have been, but it did come from a reliable source. Seriously, I suggest you read slowly through the first five main paragraphs under 'Reliable sources' (as per [1] previously). Original research ↗, however well intended, is a no-no.

::I can not help but smile a bit, as I have been a regular contributor to this article, and have owned down the decades the original (1980) vinyl 45 of his single "The Eyes Have It". For me, his date of birth has been akin to looking for hen's teeth (bearing in mind those editing requirements). Joe, whether it had been me, or any other editor of some experience, a obviously unreferenced DOB (and the rest) would be removed without blinking. Have a read (as above) and think about it - then do the proper thing. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Well, I know what you mean, and I asked Fialka for this information on purely selfish grounds if I’m honest. I thought that maybe the 1947 year had been correct, but he wrote it to me twice that it was 1946 — which would make sense of his family being there, and part of the colonial “fun” (with no disrespect meant to him personally).
:::I’m happy to read that you’re a longtime fan though, albeit I prefer the more polished version of “The Eyes Have It” found on ''Human Animal'', or at least the download that I have — I would create an article for said album as it means a lot to me, but I don’t believe that it charted therefore it’d likely be deleted or redirected etc.
:::Anyway, sorry, I got a little bit excited by the fact that you’re also a fan — I honestly just don’t know how I can prove what he had said to me (twice) regarding his DOB, and POB.
:::I again, completely, and utterly understand the importance, and relevance of what you’re pointing out to me — but I don’t know how I’m meant to prove what he said without compromising his privacy — which would be totally wrong, of which I’m sure that you’d agree.
:::Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 19:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::::This ↗ proves the Calcutta part at least Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:13, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::The reality is that, pertaining to the date of birth, you seemingly can not - without reliable 'published' version(s) being available. In much the same way that a reader of the encyclopedia could not check the detail either; and there's the rub. Seems somewhat perverse to me that he shared the info with you; but not with any of the many potential sources that must have enquired of him (albeit back in the day). You know what you must do. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:20, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::His age may have affected sales. There are many examples of performers lying about their age for a reason, eh? Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 03:11, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

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:Well, it has 1.4m views on YouTube ↗. Many thanks, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 06:56, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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Hey Joe, I saw your edit here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenosha_unrest_shooting&diff=1351210136&oldid=1344669341 ↗ and was wondering, what is the correct way to hyphen that? Normally it would make sense to say X-style thing but when X is also hyphenated is double hyphen OK? I'm asking as someone who is not up on their specific grammar rules. Anyway, that for the input! Springee (talk) 19:24, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

:I relied on the article's spelling in all honesty — then just applied it. Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 19:26, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

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:I usually only make those sorts of edits during larger edits now — I know that it's annoying, but it bugs me when I don't feel like I've ticked everything off with my edits. It may or may not be OCD ↗ as others suggested, but it genuinely does bother me that much. I am not meaning to be awkward beyond that, it just almost feels physically painful when I don't. Do you know anyone that offers DBT ↗? Best, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

::I don't know, sorry. Perhaps Wikipedia:Editors with obsessive-compulsive disorder ↗ may be of help to you. --Jameboy (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Do they sell cocktails there? Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

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:Why?! It's a redirect that I made after adding a red link that I thought should be a blue link. It's British spelling though, if you're unaware of that. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 02:24, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::Joe, the deleting admin won't take that post into account, that's if they even check this page. Instead, the speedy deletion box has a big blue button "Contest this speedy deletion". Click that and post. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:57, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

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:I don't believe that I added the information, only edited it. So I am getting more credit than I'm due! Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 02:53, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
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:Hi again. You've now taken 40 edits ↗ to add 40 wikilinks to the avocado toast ↗ article. They're all good links, although one or two were unnecessary under WP:NOPIPE ↗, such as changing <code><nowiki>food trend ↗</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>food trend ↗</nowiki></code> (both links work, and the first is easier to read).
:But is there a technical reason why you're making these consecutively rather than in a single edit? It seems like it must be a slower process for you, and it's adding a lot of repetition to the page history (which by default only shows the most recent 50 edits). Belbury (talk) 08:09, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
::I typically work on a link by link basis, and have diagnosed autism ↗ on top of a learning disability ↗, with the potential for OCD ↗.
::If I don't work in these very small ways then I tend to get overwhelmed, and make a lot of mistakes (or forget to make an edit; which can happen anyway) — so it is genuinely best how I edit, and have done from the beginning to be honest.
::It is a lot of work, but once I feel completely finished with an article, it is rewarding, and hopefully polishes the article in the long run, as I prefer to read it afterwards myself.
::Regards, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 08:21, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks, your contributions are all very welcome in the long run. Your process just risks being a little disruptive for other editors in the short term, by creating edit conflicts and taking up more space in the page history: if someone vandalises an article by deleting content and later that day you add 50 links to the page, it'll be harder for other users to notice the vandalism when they glance at the history, which will by default only show your edits.
:::Have you tried using the "Preview" panel in the editing interface? The button is in the top right of it: it splits the edit window vertically and shows you what the article will look like with your link added, so you can add a link and immediately see whether it worked and how it looks, without having to click submit.
:::Even batching up your link additions into groups of ten would make a difference. Belbury (talk) 09:01, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
::::I work on my cellphone these days so it's less easy to do, and not helped by the fact that links no longer change colour once you have pressed on them, at least for me … and it does not help whatsoever for references.
::::I sometimes open up three different windows just to be able to do that. So please don't think that I'm not trying — it just is that hard for me, and in regards to vandalism — I am sure that I would spot it, and remove it for myself, especially if I'm going all guns blazing on an article.
::::I have noticed however that my editing style tends to be less of an issue with higher traffic articles, as I blend in with the others. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:10, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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:To be fair, before I added the URL template it wasn't functional at all.
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