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Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut



Could you please provide a bibliographic entry with full citation details for Gardiner 1961 to accompany the shortform citation provided in your recent edits? These are necessary for both verifiability and for the sfn citation to work properly because it presently causes the following error: {{tq|Harv error: link from CITEREFGardiner1961 doesn't point to any citation}}. I can surmise that you are probably looking at 'Egypt of the Pharaohs: An Introduction', but I don't know that for a fact. Mr rnddude (talk) 16:09, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
:Regarding your question: {{tq|[a]t least 6 images, is that ok}}? Refer to the image use policy ↗ particularly the section on image galleries ↗. Galleries when used should avoid multiple images illustrating the same concept: {{tq|[g]allery images must collectively add to the reader's understanding of the subject without causing unbalance to an article or section within an article while avoiding similar or repetitive images, unless a point of contrast or comparison is being made}}. {{pb}} The three images added to the gallery on her proscription principally illustrate the erasure of the image of Hatshepsut, when this would be adequately depicted by one such image. A sixth image may be fine, if it illustrates something distinct from the others. I removed one of the column images, that I had added to the article, for this reason. The other images depict different subject matters: a column of destroyed and rededicated statues, the decapitated head of a Hatshepsut statue, the erasure of her titles, and the rededication of a column to Thutmose II. {{pb}} I'll leave it alone for the moment, because there may be another solution, but it isn't workable in galleries (the idea I have is incompatible with both the gallery tag and the gallery template), and the section is long enough that it can hold both a gallery and a separate image (similar to the terraces section which has a large relief image and a gallery). I can make an attempt at that later or tomorrow. {{pb}} The restoration gallery qualifies under the exception for similar images, since while each is an image of the temple, the gallery as a whole illustrates the evolution of the restoration project over the course of nearly a century, and is a good addition to the article. That said, three images from the 1980s is excessive. I haven't removed any images there presently, though I replaced the 2005 image with one from 2015 to widen the period covered. If there is a more recent image (from the 2020s) – I've seen a few from 2025 but none that both capture the whole temple and are of the highest quality (a decent image that captures most of the temple is :File:The mortuary temple of Hatshepsut, Egypt 14.jpg ↗ and there is :File:EGWUG trip FEB 2025 (206).jpg ↗ which captures the whole temple but is unfortunately unusable because of the crowd in the foreground) – that would be a better replacement. I think six images in a gallery should be a guiding maximum as any more than that means taking up two rows on a standard 1080p screen, which means that a phone user will have at least three to four rows of images to scroll past and that starts impacting on readability. Mr rnddude (talk) 19:43, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for the info, I'll try to limit the images in the galleries from now on. If I find a suitable 2020s image of the temple, I'll replace one of the 1980s images. Cheers. UWMKEgypt (talk) 14:16, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

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Email address


Dear UWMKEgypt,

If you have an email address, I could send you the full Nozomu Kawai paper on Neferneferuaten. Plus a bonus important paper on the chronological placement of the 5th dynasty king Shepseskare by Massimiliano Nuzzolo which are all not available on academia.edu (only the first page) since they are quite new. Starting in 2026, I have to slow down my editing on wikpedia as due to work commitments and health. Best and Goodnight from Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 14:47, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, I'm not comfortable sharing my email here, as I don't want to be doxxed. But thank you for the offer. Also, I recommend sending the paper to the Internet Archive so all can access it. Have a great day. UWMKEgypt (talk) 15:22, 19 November 2025 (UTC)


help in creating a new page



Welcome back, recently I have started work on a timeline of ancient Egyptian history ↗ but this is quite a daunting task and so far I have only made it to the end of the old kingdom and don't have any cited sources yet so I would realy appreciate some help from you to complete this page. <span style="background-color:#DECD87;padding:2px"><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">'''PharaohCrab'''</span> <small>speak𓀁 works𓀨 ↗</small></span> 23:28, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you for the offer, ask User:Tintero21 if he's also able to help you. UWMKEgypt (talk) 23:30, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

Too many images


Please stop adding new images into the mortuary temple of Hatshepsut ↗ article, there are nearly 50 images present already (that is an image per 100 words; this post needs two images to accompany it by that metric). It is a nice image, but there are hundreds of nice images from the temple and they cannot all be presented in the Wikipedia article. That is why commons.wiki exists. {{pb}} The cartouche on the far left only contains a discernible Re sign ↗ that could refer to any of Thutmose I, II, III, and also Hatshepsut. It has definitely been obliterated, but it is not obvious that it has been re-inscribed, let alone enough to discern to whom – rededications were also done to Thutmose I, even if less frequently than Thutmose II; equally the base of the cartouche does not contain the ''n''-sign that might be expected for Thutmose II. The two cartouches on the right are clearly Thutmose III (specifically the Menkheperra prenomen) though, so that was fine. {{pb}} You also at some point added the claim that some of her statues at Deir el-Bahari were rededicated to Thutmose III and then changed that to Thutmose II. That is not supported by the source cited in prose which states that ''none'' of her statues were altered to represent another a pharaoh and that most of them retain her titulary intact, though some have been erased. Mr rnddude (talk) 05:17, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
::Brief other note, if you do happen to come across any images from inside the 'mortuary cult complex' – It wasn't open to the public last I checked, but that was a couple years ago – then an image or a couple images for that section specifically would be nice as it is the only area of her temple that has no visual representation in the article. Mr rnddude (talk) 05:27, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Then maybe you should go and ask raven_rs if you're going to be that way. UWMKEgypt (talk) 15:09, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ask raven_rs what? If it's about his lovely edit-summary in that one dispute, I didn't even notice it at the time. Literally only saw it after the IP re-instated that one image saying it was deleted in the edit-war between us, which left me puzzled because I didn't remember us having argued about it. It doesn't even crack the top ten most derogatory statements directed at my pseudonym on en.wiki. {{pb}} The reason I wrote that 'brief other note' is that one of your main contribution points on en.wiki is providing new images for articles, and I'm not attempting to discourage you from doing that. The sub-section you keep adding images to is simply over-saturated (9 images for 3 paragraphs) and the section overall holds half of the images (23/46) in the whole article. There has to be a limit. {{pb}} Compare the mortuary temple article (46 images, 5000 words, 1 image per 110 words) with ancient Egypt ↗ which is ~2.5 times longer, and has about 56 images (22% more images; 1 image per 220 words); or with Great Pyramid of Giza ↗ which is about ~2.2 times longer, but has conversely only 36 images (22% fewer images; 1 image per 300 words). I chose those two both because they are top importance and because I have very limited interaction with either of them. None of the sections in either of those articles has more than 5 or 6 images and most only 1 or 2. Mr rnddude (talk) 17:46, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::If you want, I'll start limit the images placed on the article, including the two proscriptions. But I know there's propable more examples of depictions being reinscribed or changed rather than erased, especially if the cartouches are changed from Hatshepsut to one of the Thutmoside pharaohs. UWMKEgypt (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::There definitely are instances of re-inscriptions, I even wrote as much in the article: 'Occasionally, her image was repurposed for a member of the Thutmosid family. This was most often Thutmose II, although infrequently, her cartouche was replaced with that of Thutmose I or III'. More re-inscriptions than erasures is not something I have read. Direct quote from Roth: 'While some canonical images showing her as a male king were left intact and simply reidentified as Thutmose III or one of his forebears, more often they were completely erased or replaced with an image of an offering stand' p. 280. If the cartouche was changed then, I certainly would not expect the image to be erased. The main issue with the caption is that you can't tell from a 're' sign alone whose name was last there. {{pb}} That said, if you find a definite re-inscription, replace one of the two column images with it. If it's Thutmose II, then remove that column; if it's Thutmose III, then remove that column; if it's Thutmose I, then whichever one. If you aren't sure, you can use this freely accessible ↗ source to identify nearly any relief and its contents. The one you added is on the top North wall of the Sanctuary of Amun. It depicts Hatshepsut and Thutmose III carrying offerings before the barque of Amun. No mention of re-inscription, but Naville couldn't read any of the glyphs in the cartouches above Hatshepsut. I guess it was partially restored later on? See vol. 5, plate CXLIII. If it has surviving pieces of the prenomen it'll be easier to identify, because the nomen 'Djehutymes' is attested for all four Thutmoses (they all have multiple variants of it). Mr rnddude (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

Amenemhat IV


Hello, Your change here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amenemhat_IV&oldid=prev&diff=1336590456 ↗ i just had the discussion here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Amenemhat_IV ↗. The double statue of Amenemhat III found at Hawara belongs just to Amenemhat III and not to Amenemhat IV at all. No recent academic literature supports Amenemhat IV for the second figure. It is just Amenemhat III. I am aware that the two Herakleoplis statues might be problematic but it is the best we have so far (the BM sphinx is just no very good looking for a front image).Udimu (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

:I know, did you see my comment in the discussion? The sphinx image is admittedly not perfect, but if we can't agree on what image to use, we may have to revert to using that sphinx image. UWMKEgypt (talk) 19:48, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

Information


I prefer to avoid having to contact editors repeatedly, but it would take you some time to piece together today's spate of edits to the pyramid article for Sahure, and only about ten minutes for me to summarise it upfront. You misunderstood what I said when removing the added material. I removed the paragraph of text primarily because it has nothing to do with the mortuary temple and it repeats content discussed under causeway. That's separate from the wikitable gallery removal. {{pb}} First, Neferirkare is not the article's subject, but is mentioned only in passing. Second, those reliefs are scattered throughout the complex. One isn't even in the mortuary temple, but is from the ''Torbau im Tale''. I amended Neferirkare's article because of that too. There is no section of the article where that gallery could be hosted as is and be representative of the subject. I compromised by retaining the three images from the ''Umgang'' where it relates to a comment about alterations Neferirkare made to its reliefs, but have removed ''Blatt'' 17 which is covered by the image of Sahure hunting and ''Blatt'' 47 which has no relevant content it can be attached to. The mortuary cult image is fine, but I moved it to the 'valley temple' as that is the relief's provenance. Beyond that there a bunch of other edits adding or replacing images with higher quality versions, cleaning up captions and prose, reformatting templates and other copy-editing. These are presumably inconsequential. {{pb}} It is worth noting that many images in the categories related to Sahure's complex are mislabelled: several are from elsewhere in Abusir, such as from Nyuserre's complex; others are from Hatshepsut's mortuary temple (especially some of the ''Seeschiffe'' reliefs which bear ''Mn-ḫpr–rꜥ'' or ''ꜥꜣ-ḫpr-n-rꜥ''). There's an old discussion in my talk page archives between myself and Iry-Hor about one such image which took a couple hours to track down. It'd take an entire day to sort them correctly. Mr rnddude (talk)

February 2026



25px|alt=Information icon ↗ Hello, I'm Aoi. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, :Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor ↗, but you didn't provide a reliable source ↗. On Wikipedia, it's important that article content be verifiable ↗. If you'd like to resubmit your change with a citation ↗, your edit is archived in the page history ↗. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-unsourced1 --> Aoi (青い) (talk) 18:36, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:Equally important is that when you do cite a source, it supports the text you are adding, per WP:NOR ↗: 'To demonstrate that one is not adding original research, one must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are ''directly related'' to the topic of the article and ''directly support''[a] the material being presented' (emphasis ''in original''). This content ↗ is not supported by Verner. He does not mention PT 534, nor give call it 'Curse Hymn' – a name for which I cannot find a reference beyond your addition of it to Pyramid Texts ↗, nor connect it to the 'curse of the pharaohs', nor even (perhaps surprisingly) mention the tomb being robbed. The only part verifiable to Verner is the listing of burial finds. Mr rnddude (talk) 00:10, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::My bad about the source, It was copied from the Substructure part of the article along with the mention of the parts of the mummy and funerary objects. But in terms of the "Curse Hymn", It's for all I know the only known example of a pharaonic curse ↗, so I think that's worthnotey in it's own right, even if it did little to deter the ancient tomb robbers. UWMKEgypt (talk) 01:57, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I mean I chose PT 534 – because it appears to be unique to his pyramid – to represent the corpus when I expanded the article years ago. This is how it looked back then ↗. It didn't even have the standard title; the two blender generated images, some of the very few related images commons.wiki has, were removed from the page by their creator for reasons never articulated. {{pb}} I don't have the entire corpus of PTs memorised. PT 534 is a text in the category of apotropaia ↗ which includes a wide array of texts. Whether there are other texts specifically invoking against plunderers is beyond me, though there are other texts with curses (commonly against malignant deities). The PTs are older than the pyramid's in which they were written. Also many of the texts are partial – checking Allen (2005)'s corpus returns thousands of instances of lacunae. There could be other similar invocations simply lost to chance. {{pb}} ''Zu Spruch 534 der Pyramidentexte'' (in German) by Osing – Eyre (2002) only mentions the PT in passing and directs the reader to Osing (1994) – and ''Eyes, False Doors and Pyramid Text 534'' by Theis are the only substantial discussions of this specific pyramid text that I know of. The latter work is available with easy access on Academia.edu. I don't know if either work is helpful here. Mr rnddude (talk) 14:41, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

Hussein Abd el-Rassul



Here is what the text in discovery of Tutankhamun's tomb ↗ says about how the first step was found:

<blockquote>On 4 November a worker uncovered a step in the rock. According to Carter's published account the workmen discovered the step while digging beneath the remains of the huts; other accounts attribute the discovery to a boy digging outside the assigned work area. (Note 2: Karl Kitchen, a reporter for the ''Boston Globe ↗'', wrote in 1924 that a boy named Mohamed Gorgar had found the step; he interviewed Gorgar, who did not say whether the story was true. Lee Keedick, the organiser of Carter's American lecture tour, said Carter attributed the discovery to an unnamed boy carrying water for the workmen. Many recent accounts, such as the 2018 book ''Tutankhamun: Treasures of the Golden Pharaoh'' by the Egyptologist Zahi Hawass ↗, identify the water-boy as Hussein Abd el-Rassul ↗, a member of a prominent local family. Hawass says he heard this story from el-Rassul in person. Another Egyptologist, Christina Riggs, suggests the story may instead be a conflation of Keedick's account, which was widely publicised by the 1978 book ''Tutankhamun: The Untold Story'' by Thomas Hoving ↗, with el-Rassul's long-standing claim to have been the boy who was photographed wearing one of Tutankhamun's pectorals in 1926.)</blockquote>

And although I left them out in quoting them, every sentence there is backed up by citations.

Note what it says: the oldest account to specify who discovered the step, the ''Boston Globe'' in 1924, attributes it to a boy named Mohamed Gorgar. Keedick's account, from around the same time, mentions an unnamed boy carrying water. The Abd el-Rassul claim seems to originate much later.

Moreover, you used Christina Riggs' blog post as your citation at , but you don't seem to have read it. While Abd el-Rassul repeatedly claimed to have been the boy who wore the pectoral, versions of the story in which he also discovered the step seem to date later than that:

<blockquote>Other travellers or journalists who met sheikh Hussein picked up the ‘water boy’ story and conflated it with the turbaned boy wearing Tutankhamun’s necklace – or perhaps the Abd el-Rassul family themselves added this twist. A version of the double whammy, attributed to Sonny Stengle, appears ‘adapted’ by Jimmy Dun on a popular Egyptology website. Stengle, Dun tells us, was one of the last people to interview Hussein before his death. Getting to wear Tutankahmun’s necklace gets turned into a reward for the water boy who discovered the first step, and whose face we can now see, celebrity-style, in the Burton photograph.</blockquote>

And in a note later added at the top of the post, she says:

<blockquote>Update, December 2022: Please see my book ''Treasured: How Tutankhamun Shaped a Century'' (Atlantic Books 2021, paperback 2022) for a little more information that I was able to dig out on the ‘water boy’ story – which a Boston Globe reporter tried to track down already in April 1924, linking it to a young man from the Girgar family (also spelled Gerigar or Gorgar). Ahmed Girgar was the senior Egyptian archaeologist (''ra’is'') on the Tutankhamun excavation. My point remains the same: the photograph taken by Harry Burton, of young Hussein Abd el-Rasul wearing one of Tutankhamun’s necklaces, has come to have a life of its own in the past 10 to 20 years, making a ‘cute kid’ story out of a much bigger problem, namely, archaeology’s erasure of Egyptians’ essential and wide-ranging roles in knowledge production about the ancient past.</blockquote>

And ''Treasured'' is one of the sources I cited when writing Note 2.

Wikipedia cannot assert that Hussein Abd el-Rassul discovered the step. The earliest sources either attribute it to the workmen or to Mohamed Gorgar. As for the mention of Abd el-Rassul in the [[curse of the pharaohs ↗ article, the nature of his involvement in the excavation is unclear, and I don't think the literature about the curse hysteria mentions him as a counterexample to the idea of a curse. A. Parrot (talk) 15:53, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

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UWMKEgyptː thanks for the new information on this article, but what is Kanawati 2003? The full bibliography is missing.Udimu (talk) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you for letting me know, I just added the missing bibliography. I thought the AnomieBOT would have copied it by now. UWMKEgypt (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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Citing sources



Hiya, just dropping by to give a gentle reminder to cite your sources when you add new info such as at Ramesses X ↗. Mistakes happen, we're only human! In this case ''I'' knew you weren't wrong so I added a source (it was also added inside a section that already had a citation, which gives the impression the info is supported by the already cited source, which I knew it wasn't because I added that info, but I did double-check the source just to be sure). The burden of proof in saying where you got your info ↗ is on you to help keep Wiki verifiable : D

If you could keep making use of edit summaries that would be wonderful and much appreciated! <3

Thank you for your work so far! Merytat3n (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

May 2026



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Mug shot of Clavicular



Hi, I have a question about this edit ↗. I was wondering why it seemed important to note that the photo is a mug shot? We're using this photo because it is the only photo of him. Per WP:MUG ↗ "Images of living persons should not be used out of context to present a person in a false or disparaging light", so I think is would be better to caption it simply "Peters in 2026" rather than "Mug shot of Peters in 2026". What do you think? MrCryptoNerd (talk) 08:55, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, I get your standpoint, but with other articles where the mugshot is the only image of the person we have, it's better to clarify, especially since mugshots in some states are in the public domain. Therefore, I'm making it consistant with other articles. UWMKEgypt (talk) 21:16, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the answer. Could you give me some examples of this kind of articles, please? MrCryptoNerd (talk) 09:07, 9 July 2026 (UTC)