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Shomron studies



Do you think a 1986 article in ''Shomron Studies'' is reliable for claiming the ethnic history of people across Palestine? '''<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>''' - 17:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
: {{Re|Nableezy}} It's a hard question because I don't have the article in question. The author Grossman was a well-known demographer. What concerns me is the precision of the reports; the fact that a family or two has a tradition of coming from another place does not mean that the tradition is true, and it doesn't entitle us to write that the village population came from that other place. But it is hard to argue this without the source. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 00:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
::I can find the source cited elsewhere but have had no luck in finding the actual source. '''<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>''' - 05:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
::Grossman (2011), Rural Arab Demography and Early Jewish Settlement in Palestine: Distribution and Population Density During the Late Ottoman and Early Mandate Periods has stuff from the journal, idk if that could be used instead. Selfstudier (talk) 10:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
::: I have that book and it could be useful for generalities, but it has little in the way of village by village details. I understand that the Hebrew edition was more expansive. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 12:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
::: I asked at WP:RX#A_Hebrew_article ↗. The chances are small. I'm willing to pay for this article but the only way I can find to get it is to start a subscription. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 02:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you very much :) Albertatiran (talk) 17:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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False Accusation of Sockuppetry


I'm writing on behalf of the IP Server who started to edit at "British currency in the Middle East" on 29th March this year. The editor suddenly found the IP server range blocked, while being accused of being a blocked editor called TheCurrencyGuy. The editor at the IP server categorically denies being TheCurrencyGuy, doesn't know TheCurrencyGuy, and has never interacted with him. Meanwhile, a editor called JMF has been on the talk page at "British currency in the Middle East" stating that at least some of the recent edits were definitely done by TheCurrencyGuy. Well, so he says, but not one of the edits carried out by the blocked IP server since 29th March was done by TheCurrencyGuy, and it doesn't appear that anybody else edited during that period. It would be interesting to see what JMF's evidence is, but meanwhile he has reverted all the hard work and careful research that was carried out since 29th March. The article is now in an inferior state with many factual inaccuracies that had been corrected by the blocked IP server. 77.99.242.50 ↗ (talk) 09:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

: JMF's advice to get an account is what I would advise too. And the best way to avoid text being removed for being unsourced is to add sources at the same time as the text. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 03:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
An account cannot be created until it is acknowledged that the blocked IP server is not a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. Meanwhile, the editor using the blocked IP server categorically denies the accusation, and says that this is the only important issue at the moment. Can you please help to have the investigation re-visited. The blocked IP editor has checked the editing history of TheCurrencyGuy to see what the alleged similarities are, and has noted that TheCurrencyGuy began his editing days by correcting the format of a foreign currency on some article, and then over time did likewise with many other currency units, and his focus seemed to be on spelling and formatting. The blocked IP server would like to point out that this style has got nothing in common with matters relating to the history of currency in the Middle East. If you can get the IP server unblocked, then the editor will be able to discuss the matter with you directly. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding unsigned ↗ comment added by 77.99.242.50 ↗ (talk) 20:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::The IP server that was blocked at the same time as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jahor12345 is not connected. Both were editing simultaneously on different articles during the morning of 3rd April 2024. That was the session when you became involved on the talk page about the meaning of the word miri. The IP server began with detailed edits about the Egyptian pound, and then around noon, switched over to British currency in the Middle East. Meanwhile, editor Jahor12345 was editing across a wide range of currency topics, mainly reformatting. The editing styles are completely different. The IP server carried out edits at 1204hrs and 1206hrs, while Jahor12345 carried out an edit in the middle of that two minute period at 1205hrs. They couldn't possibly be the same person.81.134.217.27 ↗ (talk) 13:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
::: You are not convincing me, and anyway I do not have the authority to overrule the results of WP:SPI ↗. I don't see the slightest reason why someone can't make an account if they want to edit. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 03:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Attribution



Please read WP:RSP ↗ on MondoWeiss: {{tq|Mondoweiss is a news website operated by the Center for Economic Research and Social Change (CERSC), an advocacy organization. There is no consensus on the reliability of Mondoweiss. Editors consider the site biased or opinionated, and '''its statements should be attributed'''. It should either not be used at all — or used with great caution — for biographies of living people.}} We need to attribute ''in text'' when we use it. Removing attribution, as you've done in a number of articles, goes against the community consensus. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
: {{Re|Bobfrombrockley}} It means that the authors of articles in MW should be attributed for their claims. It doesn't say "stuff in MW should be attributed to MW", it says that statements in MW "should be attributed ↗", which ''always'' means that opinions or claims should be attributed to whoever is giving the opinion or making the claim (note the meaning of "attributed" in the link). The only time it implies that MW as a magazine should be attributed for something is when the article at hand is when MW itself is the author (e.g. an editorial). Also, if MW was to be attributed it would have to be like "according to MW", which is not what you have been writing — what you have been writing is not an attribution at all per WP jargon but rather a part of the citation placed in the text against usual practice. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 13:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the quick reply. I might take this to another forum as I had never understood it in this way so would welcome clarification. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ami Dror ↗


Hi {{ping|Zero0000}} Why did you put your comment half way up the discussion? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span><sup>Talk</sup></span>''' 14:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
: Your signature is very annoying. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 15:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Do you even listen to what you're saying?



To someone who was killed in a "brief massacre", its "briefness" would not be the slightest mitigating factor. My recommendation would be to avoid incongruous dimunitizing expressions such as "brief massacre", "slight temporary genocide", or "gentle rape" as arguments for your edits, whether to the Kfar Etzion massacre article or elsewhere on Wikipedia... AnonMoos (talk) 21:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
: {{Re|AnonMoos}} Wow, my very own stupid personal attack. It's my lucky day. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 23:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
::Keep on searching the thesaurus for oxymoronic adjective-noun combinations like "non-violent murder" and "tiny little extermination campaign" all you want, but you won't be improving Wikipedia by doing so. AnonMoos (talk) 00:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
::: Two kisses on the same day are enough. Now kindly improve my user page by pissing off. Go on, shoo. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 01:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I replied on the Mandatory flag thread above (I also quickly got tired of that discussion in 2022, though there was more to say). AnonMoos (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Reverted Post



Hi. I see that you reverted my contribution to the page about antisemitism on Harvard’s campus after 2020. I'm aware of the extended confirmed restriction and contentious topics procedure regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict. My intention was not to post on that conflict but to report on important antisemitic incidents happening on college campuses, which I understood was the point of this page. I get that these protests are influenced, in part, by the Arab-Israeli conflict, but is there a way to acknowledge the catalyst while avoiding violating the extended confirmed restriction and contentious topics procedure relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Do you have any recommendations on how I can reword some of my content to un-revert it and restore it to the page? Thank you very much. HistoryBook123 (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{Re|HistoryBook123}} They aren't just "influenced" by the A-I conflict, they are part of it. Anyway the ARBPIA topic designation says "broadly interpreted" so there is really no doubt that the material is included. Your only option is to put an edit proposal on the talk page. I didn't make the rules and if I don't enforce them for sure someone else will. Your edit also contained opinion written in wikivoice so it wouldn't have lasted long even if you had the required credentials. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 04:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

False Accusation of Sockpuppetry


Regarding the blocked IP server that I used in April to make edits at British currency in the Middle East, I've opened up this special account in order to help resolve the situation. I can't edit again util the administrator who blocked my address revisits the original investigation. But even with this special account, I still can't seem to be able to edit on their talk page. I appreciate that you yourself don't have the authority to over rule that result, but I'd be grateful if you could contact Bbb23 on my behalf and ask them if they could take a look at the evidence again. I can assure you that I am definitely not TheCurrencyGuy. I've looked at his edits. His style and purpose was quite different from mine, and besides I did show you evidence last month that we were both editing at the exact same time on different articles. I'd be most grateful if you could help. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 08:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:: I've put the message like this, but I seem to have formatted it wrongly. Can you please help me to format it and I'll post it again,
<nowiki>{{To|Bbb23}}I'd be grateful if you could contact me here regarding a block on my IP server which you did on 12th April. Somebody alleged that I am a sockpuppet of an editor called TheCurrencyGuy. I am assuredly not however. The accusation involved another editor with a name something like Jahor12345 who was also blocked for being a sockpuppet of TheCurencyGuy. I have no idea whether they were or not, but I did find evidence that Jahor12345 was editing at exactly the same time as me on different articles. The only thing we seem to have in common is the fact that we were editing on currency related articles, but not with the same style or purpose. I look forward to hearing from you.~~~~</nowiki>

Specialrequestaccount (talk) 08:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that the blocking administrator is going to reply. Is there some kind of notice board that I can go to in order to highlight this issue? I think it's quite important. I was editing in good faith and suddenly blocked, just because I happened to be editing on currency related articles and because there is a blocked editor called TheCurrencyGuy. But there is something very seriously wrong when those involved aren't open to discussing the evidence. The blocking administrator must know fine well that the IP servers don't match. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

: You can write at WP:AN/I ↗ but it's possible nobody will be interested, as are there are currently no sanctions against your account. You'll need to explain everything with diffs and not assume that anyone is aware of it. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 14:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks again. I'll maybe do that. Although there are no sanctions against this account, it's still impossible for me to edit on the Middle East currency articles that I had been editing on with the IP server, because I would be immediately blocked again, based on the belief of Bbb23 that I am a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. Until that belief has been officially debunked by, either Bbb23, or by some other administrator, I will have no future in the project. This began in March when I was studying the schism between the Egyptian piastre and the Turkish piastre in 1844. I had obtained books on the topic and I also referred to the relevant Wikipedia articles. These articles were quite useful, but it was clear that they contained many inaccuracies. I set about correcting the information in these articles and I thought I had got them into a much more accurate state. I was nearly finished, and about to make an edit relating to the Saudi Riyal when suddenly I found myself blocked, having been accused of abusively indulging in sockpuppetry. And soon after that, another editor wiped out every single bit of work that I had done, expressly stating that the reason wasn't based on the content on the edits, but on the grounds that he believed me to be a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. It's turned me pretty sour about the project, but I'm still holding out hope that there must surely be some administrator who can check out that my IP server was different from TheCurrencyGuy's, and that likely we are in totally different geographical locations, and that the entire focus of our edits is quite different, and that at one point we were editing on different articles at exactly the same time. There is something seriously wrong with the system if this cannot be ascertained, and that people simply get blocked because they edit on an article that is of interest to another editor who has been blocked.Specialrequestaccount (talk) 18:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Misandry noticeboard discussion


Hey Zero, please give me your input on the Misandry discussion. I just can't keep arguing with these people anymore. It feels like we need a way bigger team of admins involved. Someone just told me "admins don't have any special authority in content disputes." ImmersiveOne (talk) 14:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

request to Strike your Comment in the infada talk page.



can you please strike booth the non ECR comment as well as your response in the Talk page?
when you leave it this way it seams like you care more about "winning" wikipedia and getting your pov heard then to actually Resolve the content dispute

thank in advance. 79.180.47.77 ↗ (talk) 13:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

: Certainly not. First, it is only permitted to remove edit summaries under very limited circumstances and this is not one of them. Second, as you well know, you are limited to edit requests and your other comments are not permitted. I didn't make the rules, but I am allowed to enforce them. So, whatever "dispute" is happening there, you are not a party to it. You can always make yourself an account and work up to EC if you want to participate. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 22:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks


Thanks for your help with navigating the stages to appeal the block. I think the matter has now been resolved. It seems that TheCurrencyGuy is geographically close to me and that contributed towards the suspicion. I may or may not return to editing, but if I do, I will either use the IP server again or create another account with a more suitable username. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 10:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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This is what it was all about


Since you helped me to get the project back on track again, see my user page to understand what it was all about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Specialrequestaccount Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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There are some transcripts in Law and the Arab-Israeli Conflict The Trials of Palestine Steven E. von Zipperstein if you haven't seen those. Selfstudier (talk) 15:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
: Thanks, I just got that book yesterday but hadn't looked at it yet. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 03:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Is https://unifil.unmissions.org/sites/default/files/unifilpresskit.pdf (the section Shab'a Farms on p.6) in accord with your understanding of the current position?
Anyway it does say "With the UN having placed the Shebaa Farms area south of the Blue Line at the time the line was established, Israel considers them part of the Golan, rather than Lebanon. Hence, it would only negotiate with Syria, and address the issue in Syrian-Israeli peace talks on the Golan." Salud. Selfstudier (talk) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{Re|Selfstudier}} Yes, that's my understanding. Is it contrary to what I wrote in the article? Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 11:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::No, not at all, was just checking that it was still current, apart from that, I saw you said you wanted a later source for the Israeli position, will it do? Selfstudier (talk) 11:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::: {{Re|Selfstudier}} Right, good point. I'll add it. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 12:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Elizabeth Loftus Page



Hi Zero, just wanted to chat about this page. By way of intro, I'm a clinical psychologist with 30 years experience. I would respectfully suggest that to not include this account, reported in great detail by The New Yorker from interviewing Loftus, would leave this page incomplete and lacking encyclopaedic credibility. For those of us in the profession this revelation changed everything about Loftus's position. It was quite incredible that she herself gave one of the best examples of not remembering and then recalling a traumatic memory.

Her word for word quote “the memory flew out at me, out of the blackness of the past, hitting me full force” is a clear and classic account of recovering a repressed memory - you don't get better . All a repressed traumatic memory is is a memory that was not remembered for a period of time and then it is when it is triggered - it's not a complex psychological concept. I'm happy to work with you on wording you're comfortable with as a full account is more important than the wording. I did try to rely on attributed quotes rather than use my own words. You might like to discuss with a friendly psychologist. Cheers Penny Pennylewis (talk) 22:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{Re|Pennylewis}} You need to read the whole source. {{tq|"But Loftus never forgot what happened. She had shared the memory with Geoff shortly after they married. “It wasn’t ‘Oh, my God, I was abused,’” he said. “It was more like ‘What’s more, I myself was abused.’"}} It is not for us to interpret the source according to what we would like it to mean. The source does not say that she had repressed the incident from her childhood until it suddenly came out in a courtroom, so we aren't allowed to say that either per WP:NOR ↗. Nobody except Loftus herself can say that, and per WP:NOR ↗ it doesn't make a difference what your expertise is, sorry. Yes, I know that people who dispute Loftus' views would just love it if she proved herself wrong, but that's something to argue in professional venues, not here. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 01:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
::I have to admit, with some chagrin, that I did not see that para of her not forgetting it. A colleague sent me the part that I shared and I guess I assumed that there was little point to highlighting it if she had remembered it all along! Sucked in by the journalistic sensationalism. Should have read the entire article in detail. I am embarrassed and am grateful that you very graciously dealt with my error here. With due respect to you. Pennylewis (talk) 07:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Help with Harvnb refs



Hey, do you know how to fix this problem?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Help_with_Harvnb_refs Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Supreme Deliciousness}} I have just now fixed it for you.Davidbena (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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Revert at A land without a people for a people without a land ↗


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What was that revert ↗ all about? Are you saying that the phrase was in use throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, for a total of 200 years? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 13:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{Re|The Mountain of Eden}} Your version says "late 19th and early 20th centuries". The paragraph immediately following gives an 1843 example, which is not late 19th century, so "late 19th" is wrong. Even earlier examples are known (I should add them). As to when it stopped being used, that isn't specified. I know of examples from the 1980s and 1990s, which admittedly are not in the article yet. I'm open to another wording, but you are mistaken in thinking that "during" means "throughout". It doesn't. Incidentally, exchanges like this should go on the article talk page so they aren't lost. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 13:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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Source



Hey, do you have access to this source? https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/yearbook-of-international-humanitarian-law/article/abs/changing-the-landscape-israels-gross-violations-of-international-law-in-the-occupied-syrian-golan/149F5F3EBF6612F469AFB4ABBF2C2820#access-block Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{Re|Supreme Deliciousness}} Yes. I can give it to you if you send me mail. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::You have mail. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::One more? https://www.jstor.org/stable/2537689 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 05:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, do you have access to these two?

https://brill.com/display/title/172

https://www.academia.edu/89471324/Herods_Judaea

--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

:{{Re|Supreme Deliciousness}} You can read the first one in the Wikipedia library ↗. Most Brill works are there. See email in 5 mins about the second one. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 06:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Think you meant Palestinian here? ↗ Selfstudier (talk) 11:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
: Ooops, thinks, thanks. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 11:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

JVL is not a reliable source?



Could you clarify why you consider the Jewish Virtual Library an unreliable source? I used it to provide context to Rabbi Shlomo Goren’s military service, and the information I referenced is sourced from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Please explain your reasoning for labeling it as unreliable. Best regards. MeirKovner (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

:See their entry at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources, the community has designated it as generally unreliable. Selfstudier (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{Re|MeirKovner}} As Selfstudier wrote, JVL has been judged unreliable by consensus. However, if JVL cites information to some reliable source you can cite that source. But you have to examine the reliable source yourself; you can't just take JVL's word that the information is there. I have seen JVL cite some source but when I went to that source I found that the information wasn't there at all. It's things like this that make JVL unreliable. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 22:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi. You reverted my edit on Protocols of the Elders of Zion



You said it doesn't mention communist monarchy. I read the text. I know it's likely a forgery and even if it wasn't, I support some of the things in the text. I woudn't mind a communist monarchy. But the text clearly supports it. It mentions a Jewish king and the support for communism ↗. I personally support a world government ↗ for world peace ↗. Do you care to explain how my edits were incorrect? Nashhinton (talk) 14:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{Re|Nashhinton}} I have also read it, along with many commentaries. Most translations don't mention communism by name. But our opinions are irrelevant because in Wikipedia we report what reliable sources say about the topic and nothing else. The sourcing standard in this article is intentionally very strict because of the huge amount of crap written on the subject. Also, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the body of an article, so it is not the place to put new material. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 15:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::Are there different versions of protocols of elders of zion? Like, do some versions add and make up stuff that wasn't in the original text? Nashhinton (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{Re|Nashhinton}} There are multiple early Russian versions with large and small differences between them, and multiple translations (and translations of translations) with different degrees of fidelity. Some "translations" are not really translations at all but more like running commentaries. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 23:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Return Lebanese Military Map



One reason why the Shebaa Farms entry is such a mess is that the Lebanese military map from 1966, which was uploaded to wikipedia more than five years ago, was deleted entirely.

As you know, I put that map on the Golan Heights page. In return, not only was the map was deleted from the Golan entry, it was deleted from the Shebaa Farms entry and from Wikipedia itself.

It was quickly deleted on the grounds that it was "redundant", after you argued to keep it.

I have instituted a deletion review. But clearly I'm at a disadvantage here by not knowing all the ins and outs of complex wikipedia protocols.

You seem to want to tell the documented truth, rather than allow hand-waving falsehoods such as that "Syria accepts that the territory is Lebanese" when you know the history is far more complex than that. (Both Lebanon and Syria said the territory was Syria for decades and even today, Assad will not say it is Lebanese territory. That map is critical to showing that the entry on Shebaa Farms implying Syria always accepted it as Lebanese territory is simply not accurate)

Could you please find the deletion review -- which I have not yet found even though I instituted it -- or begin one of your own to get that map back?

Otherwise all I know how to do is send this entire thing to arbitration, because people are using wikiprocedures to bury me.GreekParadise (talk) 21:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:{{Re|GreekParadise}} I see that you rediscovered the deletion review at WP:Deletion_review#File:1966_Official_Lebanese_Map_of_Shebaa_Farms_and_Syrian_border.png ↗. A quick way would have been to check your own contribs. I'll look at it. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
::I did rediscover it. Thank you.GreekParadise (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
:::And thank you for your contribution on the map deletion review page. I really do appreciate it. I do recognize you are acting in good faith, even if we disagree on the proper use of some of the sources. I just want to accurately reflect them.
:::The UN found the territory to be Lebanese for a good reason, and both Lebanon and Syria have had conflicting positions over the years. I want those positions to be reflected in the article in all their confusing complexity rather than a blanket statement one way or the other which would be simple but inaccurate. And if you can ever find a clear single public statement by the Syrian government actually saying it's Lebanese territory, I would readjust my view on this. Have you ever found one?
:::<nowiki>To me, the lack of a Syrian public statement is telling, as is the Syrian refusal of the repeated UN requests to demarcate the boundaries. A Syrian official privately told the UN one thing in 2000 while Assad privately said the opposite in 2011. To me, the implication is that Syrian doesn't want to have a public position (that they want to keep the land as Syrian but while Israel occupies it, they can suggest in private but not say in public it's Lebanese territory). Obviously we can't say that. We can only state their position before 2000 that it was Syrian and then state the private indicators and private counter-indicators of their contradictory positions thereafter. It's fine to state the UN said a Syrian official said this and a diplomat said Assad said that while we should also note there does not appear to be a clear Syrian position publicly stated by the Syrian government.~~~</nowiki> GreekParadise (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
::::There was a recent discussion and subsequent editing about this at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)/Archive_1#Israel's_alleged_occupation_of_Lebanon Selfstudier (talk) 17:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. You removed my comment in the talk section of “Jewish Voices for Peace” stating the criticism that the group has is not actually being Jewish (they non-Jewish members) but use their name to shield themselves from accusations of antisemitism be included in the article’s criticism section. This is a common criticism of the group (see the source I listed) and I don’t see why my comment was removed. Whether you believe this to be true should not be a factor in its inclusion. 71.179.129.209 ↗ (talk) 05:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
: {{Re|71.179.129.209}} You wrote "non-Jews can be members and make up the majority" but the source only says "some of the members of JVP are not Jews at all". Nothing about a majority. The first rule about choosing a source is that it supports the text you want to cite to it. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 06:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ok, remove “majority”. They have been criticized for using “Jewish” in their name to shield themselves from accusations of antisemitism (whether that is a valid criticism is another matter). Seems like something you should reply to my comment instead of deleting. 71.179.129.209 ↗ (talk) 05:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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1947 vs later



Is this ↗ just a careless error? or something intentional? I.M.B. (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{Re|Industrial Metal Brain}} I suspect they intended to remove the 1947 case but hit the wrong section link. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 05:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe, but wouldn't they see what they were deleting? They even wrote something explaining it? It would make sense if there was a "delete section" button, but it seems hard to miss? Unless there is an editing tool that does have a delete section button? but editing tools usually auto tag in edit summaries. I.M.B. (talk) 12:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::If it's a one-off it's probably nothing. It just seemed like a weird error. I.M.B. (talk) 12:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hello Zero! I have a question that I wish you can answer. You previously encountered me on the MEMRI TV ↗ talk page where you deleted my reply to another user (and their reply) named "the odd edit" or something similar. The guideline you cited was WP:ARBECR ↗, which states non Ext-Con editors should only be in talk pages regarding edit requests. That same editor put up a re-edited version of their reply to me as a separate topic and I replied to them about it. My question to you is whether that's also not allowed to reply as an non Extended-confirmed user to topics others started and if I should delete my reply to them.

I ask this because an extended confirmed user replied to them furthering the discussion of the post and id assume they would know whether or not they are allowed to do that.

Sorry for the long winded question, I wish you a good day! AssanEcho (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

: {{Re|AssanEcho}} Aside from clearly defined edit requests (replace X by Y), non-EC editors are not allowed to write anything on talk pages covered by ARBECR. EC-editors are allowed to delete anything else. Usually we don't delete a non-EC comment if an EC-editor has responded to it, but that doesn't give permission for the non-EC editor to continue the conversation. If this seems anomalous, you aren't completely wrong, but it's the rules. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 00:52, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
::I understand. Thank you for the well written answer! I'll cease replying now beyond my edits requests. AssanEcho (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

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X as a source for an org's opinion when it comes from the official twitter page



You removed a sentence detailing the opinion of an organization, with their official twitter page as a source https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nerdeen_Kiswani&oldid=1274455771 ↗. Can you tell me why you view X as unreliable, even when it comes directly from the organization in question? DuckOfOrange (talk) 20:44, 7 February 2025 (UTC)


::{{Re|Iamnotanorange~enwiki}} X no longer has a process for verifying the identity of account owners. Per https://help.x.com/en/managing-your-account/about-x-verified-accounts , the main requirement for the blue tick is to pay for it. This means that stuff on X can no longer be assumed to derive from the person or organization whose name appears there. As always, considerations like this are applied more strictly in BLPs than in general articles. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 02:51, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Account ownership is certainly an important consideration, but the linked tweet did come from the official twitter account linked on their official website here ↗ and I don’t see any disputes about the ownership of this twitter page. Given that context, it seems clear that this tweet is an official statement. DuckOfOrange (talk) 03:03, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Updating you as a courtesy that I've reinstated the statement WOL made from their official (and uncontested) twitter page. As a backup, I've also listed some lower quality sources, which refer to the statement and do not mention the identity of the twitter page being an issue. If you see any evidence that this twitter page is fake, please let me know. DuckOfOrange (talk) 20:48, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

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Edah HaChareidis



I see you changed the CT template to related content with the note "will comment" but haven't actually commented. I'm not sure which parts aren't related and which are, could you please clarify this? The article is about an anti-Zionist group "who refused to be affiliated in any way with the new Zionist institutions. Inspired by militant anti-Zionist ideology, " and I would have thought the entire article would be covered because of that. <span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span> talk 13:00, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
: {{Re|Doug Weller}} There isn't any guidance about what fraction of an article has to directly concern PIA before it comes under full PIA coverage, so there are a multitude of boundary cases (hundreds at least). My idea was that this group has more on its mind than Zionism, such as its strict halakhic interpretations, so there is room for non-EC editors to work on the non-PIA bits. But reading the article again I tend to agree with you that the defining characteristic (at least as the article is written) is anti-Zionism so it is ok to treat it as full PIA. I removed "relatedcontent=yes" from the template, so it is now in conformity with your EC-protection. Cheers. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 03:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. <span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span> talk 10:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
@Doug weller if u wouldn't have reverted the article it would have alot less to do with anti zionism Esotericmadman (talk) 16:50, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
:{{Re|Esotericmadman}} To ping someone it does not suffice to add "@" before their name. You have to link to their user page or use one of the many templates that generate a ping, such as <nowiki>{{</nowiki>Re|Esotericmadman}} that I'm using here. The only exception is that writing directly on their user talk page generates a ping automatically. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 01:27, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

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Not my article, see discussion at User talk:DoubleGrazing. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 13:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Please restore content posted on Yad Vashem page


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{{ping|User:Zero0000}}, abovementioned user has made a total of 12 edits (Special:Contributions/ValueofTruth ↗), edits exclusively in the israel palestine area, consistently mislabels his edits as simply adding a source, and refuses to engage at User talk:ValueofTruth. I didn't put up a stink until now bc I felt his edits were constructive, but his recent edit to Michael Dov Weissmandl ↗ were written like yellow journalism ↗. I'd like to also point out that all his sources are exclusively to one website. Thanks for your attention to this matter. <span style="color:green;font-family:Old English Text MT">'''''Esoteric'''''</span> <span style="color:red;">mad</span><span style="color:blue;">''man''</span> ↗ 13:40, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:First of all, thanks for finding my contributions as constructive, which is what I think they really are. I never mislabel my edits, so your remark has no relevance to me. Your statement regarding my recent edit is very inaccurate. I provided a source from wikipedia itself to prove that Yehuda Brauer has lied in his wild and derogatory claims which are not substantiated in historical evidence regarding Rabbi Weissmandl and his activity to rescue Jews in Europe. I am talking about factual evidence where Brauer lies regarding the number of trains sent from Slovakia during October 1942 and also lies about the fact that it is not being mentioned in Rabbi Weissmandl's book, when it clearly is. There was only one such transport sent on 20 October 1942 which was also the last train, as proved in my source which is based on Wikipedia. That is NOT yellow journalism. Quoting from Rabbi Weissmandl's book who is a holocaust survivor, a direct witness to these events and saved thousands of people from death is NOT yellow journalism. However, to accuse a prominent Rabbi who saved the lives of thousands during the holocaust as if he forged a book without any evidence, just out of spite and sheer hatred, is really antisemitic. Which is exactly what Yehuda Brauer has done. So then please also delete Yehuda Brauer's comment. 202.172.96.148 ↗ (talk) 14:19, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:: {{Re|ValueofTruth}} {{Re|Esotericmadman}} First, we don't use Wikipedia as a source. This is a strict policy, see WP:CIRC ↗. Second, in Wikipedia we don't construct arguments of our own to contradict published sources. This is also a strict policy, see WP:NOR ↗. Third, accusing one of the leading Holocaust historians of antisemitism just makes yourself look like a fanatic and can even get you blocked ↗ as Prof Bauer is still alive. Fourth, Bauer does not say there were two trains in Oct 1942. He says there were two trains after Yom Kippur, which in that year started at sunset on September 20. I don't have ''Min HaMetzer'', but Fuchs "The Unheeded Cry" quotes Weissmandl as writing "From the day after this Yom Kippur 5703 until the day after Yom Kippur 5705 ... there was respite from the expulsions in Slovakia". So even one train in October contradicts Weissmandl. If there was a transport on Sep 23 (which I can't confirm) it also agrees with Bauer and not with Weissmandl, though only just. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 07:35, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
::Im glad to see you finally engaging, please be aware that you are not allowed to contribute in the entire Israel Palestine area, broadly construed, that includes any and all contributions regarding zionism and Zionists, and all opinions on the matter. Repeated violations may lead to you being banned from editing. <span style="color:green;font-family:Old English Text MT">'''''Esoteric'''''</span> <span style="color:red;">mad</span><span style="color:blue;">''man''</span> ↗ 09:15, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Beit Zayit ↗



Thank you for the pointer to WP:RSP ↗ about jewishvirtuallibrary. I myself noticed that something is fishy with it. So I decided to see how it is cited in WP.
Surprisingly external link search tool ↗ gives no hits, whereas google search gives a HUGE number of hits ↗. So I have two questions:
::: {{Re|Altenmann}} I'm dubious about the utility of clearing all JVL refs at once, but bear in mind that it is fine to do so as they are encountered. The best thing is to replace them by a better source; otherwise choose between deleting the content and adding a tag according to how contentious the material is. When JVL gives a ref it is often easy to go to the ref itself, bypassing JVL. In this case, the actual ref was a tourism site, but such sites have poor reliability, especially for history. In some cases the ref is Encyclopaedia Judaica, which is a reliable source, but you should not assume JVL quoted it accurately. On one occasion JVL cited EJ for something but when I went to EJ to check I found that JVL had silently added some nonsense content in the middle of EJ's text. EJ can be searched at encyclopedia.com. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 02:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hey,
Can I ask you something real quick? We’ve got a user on German Wikipedia who’s been using AI a lot since 2022, and in the process has added AI hallucinations into articles. At least one of those articles (Theopathy ↗) was translated into English by the same person. We’re not totally sure yet which other articles might have made-up sources or are affected the same way. Any idea where we should report something like that? Thank you! DaWalda (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{Re|DaWalda}} There's no perfect place. Try WP:VPMISC ↗ with full information including links to the discussion at de.wiki and the username concerned. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 02:37, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

You might enjoy...



...Draft:Antisemitism in social work ↗. Oof. Polygnotus (talk) 09:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Missing talk page history



Concerning the article Antisemitism on Wikipedia ↗, if you have a source stating that the editor was "exonerated" that is not written by the subject themself, you might be able to source the claim you want to add. In fact, ArbCom's finding of fact was that the editor was topic-banned from the topic area for canvassing in 2021 (which is far from being exonerated) and that no evidence of misbehaviour ''since that time'' had been presented to the committee. A reminder to that editor about canvassing was repeated as a remedy. G&K's article goes back much farther, obviously, and the ArbCom decision explicitly states that they did not consider all the evidence in the paper, only what was brought forward in evidence as unlikely to be considered "stale". Best, in my opinion, to leave the POV claim out. The Signpost, for example, did not mention any "exoneration" in their write-up of the decision...

It would perhaps be more useful to look into the massive loss of talk page history I've mentioned on the TP. -- SashiRolls <sup> 🌿 ↗ · 🍥 ↗</sup> 20:06, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
: {{Re|SashiRolls}}, this is an obvious BLP violation on your part. You can't write that G&K charged that editors "intentionally introduced skewed views and distortions in the encyclopedia's history of the Holocaust", naming Piotrus, and that arbcom ran a case leading to a banning of two editors, without mentioning that arbcom unanimously rejected ↗ those charges in Piotrus' case. In fact the older canvassing charge, which is not mentioned in your text, is the only thing that stuck. You are not entitled to second-guess the arbcom decision, and you are not entitled to make a veiled insinuation against a named person on these fatuous grounds. It is a very serious matter to accuse an academic of distorting history. This argument can be moved to a behavior noticeboard if you prefer the role of defendant, but I will not let it rest. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 02:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::First, get your facts straight. I wrote 0 (zero) words of "intentionally introduced skewed views and distortions in the encyclopedia's history of the Holocaust". I also did not introduce Piotrus' name in the article, I removed it, you readded it. The only things I did were remove the claim that Piotrus was "exonerated" by ArbCom which as it stood was only sourced to Piotrus himself, and note that his article was written from the perspective of an involved participant in the dispute. One who incidentally historically defended ''Glaukopis ↗'' as an RS, but evolved after the publication of G&K. -- SashiRolls <sup> 🌿 ↗ · 🍥 ↗</sup> 02:27, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:::{{Re|SashiRolls}} When you add text to a paragraph you are responsible for its meaning in the context of what is there. So it makes no difference who wrote the sentences before yours. The real name of Piotrus is in the citation, so you only partly removed it and the veiled accusation was still present. '''You''' are the one who directly associated ↗ Piotrus with G&K's charges, and that is the point of departure here. There was no need to mention arbcom's exoneration until you added the accusation. Neither or both, make your choice. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 02:46, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::::The source cited (Piotrus) states that he was named in G&K. The G&K likewise states that Piotrus was named in G&K. Everyone familiar with the situation knows this. Get TP consensus if you wish to source Piotrus' exoneration to Piotrus' claim he was exonerated when more neutral sources make no such claim. Usually, reminders do not exist without a reason and if you look into the '''evidence ↗''' that ArbCom explicitly linked to in FoF #15 {{small|search for "potential coordinated editing" concerning notably now-blocked GizzyCatBella}}, you'll see why the reminder about off-wiki concertation was made. You can also read Piotrus himself mentioning the evolution of his views on Glaukopis. I could find diffs of his older views if necessary, but I think you're smart enough to realize that won't be necessary. -- SashiRolls <sup> 🌿 ↗ · 🍥 ↗</sup> 03:01, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{Re|SashiRolls}} Arbcom's ruling is a perfectly reliable source for what arbcom ruled. I don't give a fuck about your personal analysis of Piotrus or his onwiki conduct, so save your breath. What it looks like from your doubling down is that you are ''intentionally'' implicating Piotrus in unprofessional behavior. Readers can't even tell from your text that Piotrus wasn't one of the banned editors and the appearance of this on a page called "Antisemitism on Wikipedia" makes it much worse. It is shocking and shameful. And incidentally I do not need a consensus to remove BLP violations. As an administrator it is even my duty. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 03:48, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::And hiding the fact that the editor who wrote the source was involved using admin privilege could lead to recall, as could your attitude above. I have made no accusations against anyone, nor have I violated BLP. -- SashiRolls <sup> 🌿 ↗ · 🍥 ↗</sup> 03:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::{{Re|SashiRolls}} Is that your best shot? BLP is an exemption to the revert rules for everyone, not just for admins. As an admin, I'd even be entitled to block you or protect the page, see WP:BLPADMINS ↗. I won't do either of those things because it isn't my style, but I will never accept this obvious violation that you are so insistent on including. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 04:14, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::No, it's not my "best shot". I'm going to walk away from the table and wish you a good day. That's a pretty good shot isn't it? FWIW: I do not believe that Piotrus' wears a "black hat" as you put it on page 10 of his article (either really or metaphorically) in real life, though he certainly has been known to do so online. (I've even taken a screenshot of it in case I should be challenged on this point.) ^_^ -- SashiRolls <sup> 🌿 ↗ · 🍥 ↗</sup> 04:43, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

tb



See :Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/False accusations of antisemitism ↗. Polygnotus (talk) 22:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

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I just noticed the interplay of edits at Antisemitism on Wikipedia ↗ that mention me, and that you were involved there. Thanks for trying to ensure this topic area is NPOV. I noticed one technical error, which I fixed now ↗. Amusingly, I was not aware I have a pl wikipedia article - nobody told me about it :D <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124;<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></sub> 13:53, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

see User talk:Gjb0zWxOb#August 2025



The editor is appealing my block saying their edits were justified. <span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span> talk 15:49, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, sorry if I was not clear in my appeal. I provided my rationale at the time of making the edits and my justification for them at the time. I do not think that they are justified now, which is why I did not pursue them after being persuaded by other editors such as Zero as to why. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 16:27, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
::I agree, you seem to have seen the problems. <span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span> talk 16:54, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
::: {{Re|Doug Weller}} I'm "involved" in PIA, so I shouldn't play admin for this. Cheers. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 23:35, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
::::that's ok. <span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span> talk 07:27, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

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When I inset the numbers for Al-Majdal, Suwayda ↗ into
I get 28191 for Palestine 1923 / Palestine Grid ↗?

What am I doing wrong?

cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:23, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

::{{Re|Huldra}} 28191 is just the index number for the grid, not a coordinate. Probably I don't understand the question. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 23:38, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
:::My question is then: how do you get from the index number for the grid, to the grid-numbers? Huldra (talk) 20:18, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

::{{Re|Huldra}} There is an Input coordinate system and an Output coordinate system shown. That URL takes you to a page with Input=PalGrid and Output=WGS(Lat+Long). If you click "Swap" you will have Input=WGS and Output=PalGrid. In either case, type numbers into the input box, click "Transform", then numbers will appear in the output box.{{pb}} Hints: For PalGrid you need units of meters, which means 6 digits. For Lat and Long you can enter a single number of degrees, or you can enter degrees minutes seconds with spaces between (no need for the degree symbol). Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 08:57, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks, after a bit of testing and failing, I finally managed it! (I think...), cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:13, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, I was looking at edit requests and saw that one of the requests was due to a page being ECP and it took me to your RFPP where you posted a link to pages that had an edit notice but not protection and you also noted that pages should generally not be protected if only a small portion is relating to the IP conflict. However, I found pages that had zero mention of the conflict yet were ECP. I don't think we should be locking down articles when it's just, for example, a page about an Israeli Arab village or town. Take Kafr_Manda ↗ for example. Sir Joseph <sup><span style="color: Green;">(talk)</span> ↗</sup> 01:21, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

: {{Re|Sir Joseph}} I made that list by an automatic process that used evidence such as the presence of talk page notices. I didn't actually look at the pages, which is something an admin should do before applying protection. There are lots of boundary cases. In the case of Kafr Manda ↗, it is in the list because there is an ARBPIA notice on the talk page, which was added by an admin here ↗. There is a section of the page which is clearly ARBPIA. I would judge it to be in the partial coverage category, but the notice is of the full coverage type. Note that such notices may only be removed by admins. I don't think there is a technical option of protecting only part of a page. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 01:34, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Right, but the end result is that many pages are protected that don't need to be. I don't know if it's a big deal or not. Sir Joseph <sup><span style="color: Green;">(talk)</span> ↗</sup> 01:41, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::{{Re|Sir Joseph}} The arbitration committee ruled in its last PIA case that EC-protection should be the default state for every PIA article. That leaves unsolved the problem of how to decide whether particular articles are included and it is of course true that there are many unclear examples. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 01:49, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

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Since you are an administrator and have displayed some interest in the page in question, would you be interested in evaluating a seemingly concluded RfC ↗, which has lasted for over a month with a 47 to 27 vote in favour of the change, or would that be inappropriate? David A (talk) 08:33, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

: {{Re|David A}} According to policy ↗, I am not allowed to act as administrator in parts of Wikipedia where I am active as an editor. For me that includes all pages related to the Israeli-Arab conflict. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 08:38, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

::Okay. No problem, and my apologies for being a bother. The RfC seems to be in danger of being ignored to death though, despite seemingly being concluded. David A (talk) 08:43, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

:::Do you know how we should get the RfC properly evaluated? David A (talk) 05:44, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
:::: {{Re|David A}} I made a request at WP:ANI ↗. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 07:13, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much for your help. David A (talk) 19:00, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

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Hi there, multiple groups of editors are at an impasse on Talk:Gaza genocide#No more mass removals of text please ↗. If you could please leave feedback on your view of our dispute that would be greatly appreciated. The subject originally came up in Talk:Gaza genocide#Template review ↗ for context. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 06:47, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:{{Re|Alexandraaaacs1989}} See my response there. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 12:43, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

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I noted that you revdeled a single diff. I think you need to go further because I can see what you did in Special:Diff/1326648551 ↗. I don't know the full technical details but I think you need to do everything between the diff you started at and the one I provided a link to. Otherwise anyone would be able to find it in any of the permalinks between. ''<b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b>''<sup><b style="color:#bd4004;"><u>talk</u></b></sup> 02:57, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
: Yeah, it's a pity I didn't notice it earlier. The problem is that that page has several other conversations going on and I don't want to disturb them. Also, even without the link there is enough information for someone to find it fairly easily. I also deleted that text. I guess it is enough to make the point. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 03:17, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

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You accidentally threw the formatting of a comment out of whack. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:52, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

“Not a chat room”



In the Adolf Hitler ↗ article i brought up how the claim in the lead of what could be a generalized statement was only made to one historian. This is a legitimate concern/way to make the article better and yet you removed it because “this is not a chat room”. Again, a legitimate possible issue with the article that could bring in a discussion, and you claim it to be something I spewed from the hopes of making a chat room. again, wanted to address this. Eg224 (talk) 08:57, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:{{Re|eg224}} (1) You didn't identify what part of the long lead you were referring to. (2) You didn't suggest a plausible improvement. We have to attribute opinions no matter how many people agree with them. (3) It was your out-of-place comment about "far right maga steppers" that prompted my summary. You will find that comments like will usually be removed so there's no point in making them. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 10:41, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::Re reading the comment earlier i realized I could have explained it better. I specifically meant the Kershaw part, as it is one historians view point but there could be more. Eg224 (talk) 12:12, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

Airport destination lists sourcing RfC


Hi there,

I'm leaving this message because you contributed to the recent RfC regarding the inclusion of airport destination lists. As promised, now that that RfC has closed, I've initiated a further discussion about the sourcing standards to be applied to these lists.

If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please do so at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Airport destination lists - sourcing requirements ↗.

Cheers! <span class="nowrap"><span style="color: RebeccaPurple">Danners430</span> <sub>tweaks made ↗</sub></span> 15:49, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

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Wikipedia’s War Against Biblical Archaeology - Armstrong Institute of Biblical Archaeology ↗. See also Philadelphia Church of God ↗ Szmenderowiecki (talk · contribs ↗) 04:42, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
: I don't know what's not good about being bad-mouthed by a religious nut-case. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 05:08, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::The Danger of Rationalism ↗...hmmm. Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::By the looks of the mugshot in that article Sean cites, Eames will never require a dentist.Nishidani (talk) 13:12, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

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For some reason your edit from 16 years ago was posted by an Insta account with 100k ish followers



https://www.instagram.com/p/DWHCXaujrK-/?img_index=6 Thought you might find it funny how far they’ve dug into the archives Benica11 (talk) 02:53, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{Re|Benica11}} Thanks, it never ceases to amaze me that the most stupid and ignorant people get the most followers. Moreover, the responses I can see show that the followers are not just there for the amusement. This is why I don't use social media at all. For the record, al Husseini was convicted in 1920 for inciting disorder and never again put on trial. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 04:49, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to be one of many channels that make up what appears to be a large and successful influence/propaganda operation run by unpackedmedia that targets young people susceptible to influence, or at least people with a short attention span. I guess it is probably more cost-effective than paying an individual micro-influencer with 100k followers to post it. That might cost USD ~1000-8000 for the post. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:32, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I think they got that diff from x.com "wikibias", they also wanted to have you topic-banned for an edit made as recently as .......2006 ↗. "Scraping the bottom of the barrel" doesn't even come close to describing it: they are digging miles ''beneath'' the barrel, (And all, because you removed a zionist "talking-point"), Huldra (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Just in case you missed this Gang of 40 related social media gem from Polymarket ↗. Perhaps this is the future, gambling sites trying to monetize credulity...of Israel supporters it seems in this case. Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:34, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

Asking for help in dispute with Gurkubondinn



Hey there. I happened to see your post on Gurkubondinn's talk page while checking to see if he responded to my post. I see you're not just blindly taking the experienced editor's side in his dispute with the guy with the Hebrew username so I wanted to ask for your perspective in my issue.

I overhauled and massively added to Sunn O))) (album) ↗, which took hours of on-and-off work. Gurkubondinn reverted it and accused me of using LLM-generated text. He did this exactly two minutes after leaving a warning on another user's talk page, so it's not like he deliberated for very long. I ended up deleting the discussion from my talk page out of frustration but here it is ↗.

I don't understand what made him think the text was AI. &#126;2026-13653-92 ↗ (talk) 00:41, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

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The fate of Qalunya in the article for Motza



Thank you for this edit ↗, which definitely needed the word you added. I'm not as sure about the next edit ↗ you made to the article. While they are clearly different places, there is definitely a lot of overlap between Motza ↗ and Qalunya ↗, so it makes sense that there is content that appears in both places. It makes sense to include common historical events and more recent situations that involved both communities.

Yet there are also some details that only belong in one article and not the other. In this case, the details of the fate of Qalunya would seem to have its proper place in the article for Qalunya ↗. It appears to be UNDUE in the Motza ↗ article and my take here is that it should be removed. Alansohn (talk) 14:51, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

: {{Re|Alansohn}} The site of Qalunya is right between the two parts of Motza and is mentioned multiple times already. It is part of the history of Motza. It is worth a short sentence to say what happened to it, and there is absolutely nothing undue about that. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 15:04, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
: {{Re|Alansohn}} Also note what I wrote near the end of the talk page in 2022. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 15:08, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply. The Qalunya article itself states that "The Modern Motza is now an outlying neighborhood of Jerusalem, and ruins of demolished buildings from Qalunya are present near Motza, covered in vegetation, just off the main highway between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv." The more I review the two articles, the history of the two places (shared and otherwise) and the discussion pages, the clearer it is to me that these are details about Qalunya that belong in that article, not in the article for Motza. While Qalunya is certainly mentioned in the Motza article, the material is WP:UNDUE ↗. Alansohn (talk) 15:46, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
::: {{Re|Alansohn}} What details are you referring to? My sentence gives only the bare facts that are required to understand the history of Motza. I could easily add a lot more relevant content, such as that both parts of Motza lie within what were the village boundaries of Qalunya. Your interpretation of UNDUE is out of line with common practice and good article writing. And (as for Beit Shemesh) we certainly do not have a policy that the fate of Palestinian villages that featured in the history of a place does not belong in articles on current locations. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 01:22, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::::You could add more content, but if it's about Qalunya, it belongs in that article, where it's already located. That's the definition of WP:UNDUE ↗ in an article about Motza. Alansohn (talk) 01:28, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::::: {{Re|Alansohn}} As I explained, it's about Motza. But if we wanted to remove everything that doesn't directly involve Motza according to a very strict understanding, we would have to take out the ancient history too, since the neolithic and iron age sites are closer to Qalunya than they are to the built-up areas of Motza. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 01:53, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::The statement that {{tq|"Qalunya was depopulated and mostly destroyed in 1948."}} is -- by definition -- about Qalunya. It's not about Motza. Alansohn (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent}} {{Re|Alansohn}} Relevance is determined by context, not by word choice. But, since you insist, after I round up a couple of references I'll make the relevance iron-clad by expanding the sentence to "Modern Motza was founded on the village lands of Qalunya, which was depopulated and mostly destroyed in 1948." Or some permutation of that. I'd prefer to sort out the geography properly, as the article is a real mess at the moment. I just added a new problem on the talk page. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 04:42, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

Advice



Hey Zero, I'm reaching out to you as an experienced editor in the Israel--Palestine area. I have some serious concerns about the behavior of {{noping|Textcurator}}: possible ECP gaming, followed by tendentious edits and behavior at AfD, also maybe some LLM usage. AE is not very familiar territory for me; do you think it is appropriate/worthwhile to file a report there, and if so, do you have any advice? Thanks for any thoughts you might have, --JBL (talk ↗) 21:21, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

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"absurd pov-push without the least pretense of balance"



Hello. I don't know if you remember our previous exchange, but a few days ago I proposed an edit to the Nakba article and was told that it would constitute an "absurd POV-push without the least pretense of balance." I'm not seeking to re-argue the edit itself here; rather, I'd like to understand what specifically made it a POV-push, so that I can avoid making similar mistakes in future contributions.
As I understood the article at the time, one paragraph listed around twenty scholars who characterize the Nakba as ethnic cleansing, while the following paragraph listed only three scholars who reject that characterization. To me, this seemed liable to give readers the impression of an overwhelming scholarly consensus on the matter. My proposed edit was simply to add several additional scholars who have argued against that characterization, with the intention of presenting the range of scholarly views more neutrally and proportionately.
Could you explain what, in your view, made that proposal an example of POV-pushing? I'm asking in good faith and would genuinely appreciate understanding the reasoning behind your assessment. Thank you. Yuvalko8 (talk) 10:27, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
: {{Re|Yuvalko8}} You want to add 18 cherry-picked sources that you claim have a particular viewpoint and you think that is balance? That's not how to write articles. You didn't even choose carefully. I looked at the book of Ther that you claim "disagree[s] that the Nakba constitutes an ethnic cleansing" and found that he refers to it as ethnic cleansing over and over. Zero<sup><small>talk ↗</small></sup> 11:22, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the response. Originally I mistakenly conflated two distinct arguments: whether the events fit the descriptive definition of ethnic cleansing (the outcome on the ground) versus whether a ''systematic'' ethnic cleansing occured (the existence of a premeditated master plan of expulsion). You are correct about Ther; he characterizes the outcome as ethnic cleansing while arguing against the thesis of a premeditated master plan.<ref>Philipp Ther, ''The Dark Side of Nation-States'', Berghahn Books, 2014, p. 191: "Palestinian authors such as Nur Masalha and advocates of “new history” in Israel have supported the argument that the Zionists had a master plan for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine from the start. There is little evidence to support this claim."</ref> Some of the other scholars I cited do explicitly reject the ethnic cleansing characterization entirely, such as Leslie Stein,<ref>Leslie Stein, "Rewriting Israel’s History", in ''Shofar'', Vol. 30, No. 1, Fall 2011, p. 129: "At the other end of the spectrum Ilan Pappé is far less interested in the veracity of his sources and is far more concerned to denigrate the entire Zionist enterprise by falsely accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing."</ref> Asaf Romirowsky and Alexander H. Joffe,<ref>Asaf Romirowsky, Alexander H. Joffe, ''Religion, Politics, and the Origins of Palestine Refugee Relief'', Palgrave Macmillan, 2013, p. 14: "These and other claims of widespread “ethnic cleansing,” “war crimes,” and Israeli “racism” are now central to revisionist studies... all of whom deliberately straddle and conflate scholarship and advocacy.</ref> Eliezer Ben-Rafael,<ref>Eliezer Ben-Rafael, "Where stands Israel?", in ''Ethnic and Racial Studies'', 27:2, 2004, p. 313: "In any case, what happened on the ground cannot be called 'ethnic cleansing' in the sense of the massacres, rape, and destruction that the concept denoted in Yugoslavia."</ref> Walter E. Block and Alan G. Futerman,<ref>Walter E. Block, Alan G. Futerman, ''The Classical Liberal Case for Israel'', Springer Nature Singapore Pte Ltd., 2021, p. 95: "As we can see, there is no way to justify the contention that there was either a deliberate plan of “expulsion” or “ethnic cleansing” during Israel’s War of Independence... there was neither a systematic plan executed to expel Arabs per se nor any “ethnic cleansing” whatsoever."</ref> and Steven E. Zipperstein,<ref>Steven E. Zipperstein, ''The Legal Case for Palestine: A Critical Assessment'', Routledge, 2024, p. 56: "Moreover, the above figures negate the related Palestinian claim that Israel has engaged in “ethnic cleansing” of the Palestinian population. The only population in the Middle East who experienced ethnic cleansing during the past century were the more than one million Jewish inhabitants of Arab countries..."</ref> while the rest address and reject the argument for premeditation. I do want to add that it was a mistake, not an attempt to push a POV. I would like to know your opinion regarding adding Stein, Romirowsky, Joffe, Ben-Rafael, Block, Futerman, and Zipperstein, who explicitly address the characterization itself. Yuvalko8 (talk) 12:08, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

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