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''Phoeniconaias ↗'' genus article...

... is now a thing. - UtherSRG (talk) ↗ 17:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
:{{re|UtherSRG}} serendipity! :<nowiki>}</nowiki> --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 18:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
::I saw your edit comment when you added the little bit about the extinct species, so but this on my mental to do list. - UtherSRG (talk) ↗ 18:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

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How to do ellipses

25px ↗ Please read :MOS:ELLIPSIS ↗.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Toddy1}} noted (but see the the sub-heading two down - on using square brackets. Not quite as cut and dried as you may think). I agree the box is superfluous if we have the quote in the text as well. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 13:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

On the Trumpeter swan ↗ article...

Is it not hard for you to write ''which'' scientists said this in the article you linked? Or at least attach a more primary source rather than a newspaper article? I am following the conventions given under "Unsupported attributions ↗," which gives examples of weasel words such as, "scientists claim," "research has shown," etc. The wording which you defend in Trumpeter swan ↗ is almost verbatim one of the listed examples of weasel words (i.e., "scientists attribute..."), and so it might not match Wikipedia's manual of style.

These are not my subjective standards; these are Wikipedia's own standards. While I am not necessarily disagreeing with what has been written there, it helps to write which scientists have put forth which results, since they can look further into that scientists' work and also compare these in cases where scientists might disagree. Also, it would help if the source you put there were at least an actual scientific journal article (e.g., the ones that the New York Times article might be sourcing) rather than the New York Times itself, as more mainstream, non-technical newspapers are definitely not immune from featuring views which may not represent the consensus within a certain academic field. Lastly, you say that, "Readers can check the source," but somebody who is not a New York Times subscriber is going to get paywalled.Lisztrachmaninovfan (talk) 06:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Anoplognathus rhinastus ↗

Very curious why the line referring back to iNaturalist was removed as being 'unreliable '? Is it because anything on iNaturalist is unreliable or that Associate Professor Tanya Latty who is running the project that I linked to is not credible? perhaps should I have referenced T.Latty in more detail about the statement ? I am very new here and am genuinely seeking guidance.. cheersEdisstrange (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Edisstrange}} yes, iNaturalist is crowd-sourced, which makes it an unreliable source for factual claims ↗ (just as Wikipedia itself is ineligible as a cited source, for the same reason!) That said, plenty of species articles have iNat refs in them to provide images or to show a map of reported sightings - while not strictly by the book, these are generally accepted because the chance of false content is low (i.e., it's likely that the aggregate of these sightings does give a reasonable distribution map, even accounting for errors). But single statements like "this was the first recorded sighting since XXXX", as was used here, would need a more reliable source. - If that re-sighting has been taken onto a university website or similar and a reliable 3rd party has thus taken ownership of the claim, maybe you can use that as a reference? Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 08:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for replying and clearing that up ! Cheers Edisstrange (talk) 08:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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Extortion by eunuchs in India ↗

I have read Vanamonde93's reply that he/she mentioned. I have linked artivcles where Eunuchs '''killed two newborn babies''', and also killed a man for not paying money. I don't understand why he says that is not extortion but harassment, begging. Most likey they don't check all sources properly. I have also mentioned about arrests, public protests.

I didn't mention vernacular media as I found English media.

These are the articles I didn't mentioned, but linking here.

'''Why eunuchs are allowed to extort money? asks Lokayukta'''-https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/why-eunuchs-are-allowed-to-extort-money-asks-lokayukta/articleshow/35749004.cms ↗ Lokayukta is government.

As I have linked many articles, where the name of the topic is extortion, here the word extortyion is used within the article not heading.--''India's estimated 50,000 eunuchs are at a crossroads of survival in their shadowy half-world of superstition and '''extortion'''''. --<nowiki>https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1983/08/07/indias-eunuchs-have-fallen-in-esteem/7779c281-15a0-4fac-8b7f-69db60d4d17c/</nowiki> Rambo XTerminator (talk) 11:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
:Copying this to the project talkpage, since that is where the discussion is happening. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 12:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

TY

TY for the edits on Bombus crotchii; I tend not to think of "overcitation" as being template-worthy but made a bunch of smart changes. I stand corrected. jengod (talk) 21:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
: All good :) Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 06:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation project to improve PageTriage

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At article Human ↗

Hi, thx for your restore. My edit removed a period ("."), somehow my edit was on an older version of the article (it was weird, I saw that text flash as the edit processed, I ignored it but shouldn't have, should have checked this edit history after; still don't know how I got entered into an older version). Apologies. Again thanks. --IHTS (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
:Ha, okay, that explains it :p --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 12:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
::Oh now I know. (I entered the article via a link from WP:CLASSES ↗ where the article was listed as example of a class B article. (That link no doubt took me to status of the article when was class B. Noticed the class was "Good" not "B" after my edit, surmised the info at CLASSES was out of date, my wrong surmise.) Now am wiser. Thx again. --IHTS (talk) 12:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Giraffe ↗

Why did you revert my edits on the Wikipedia article giraffe ↗? In your edit summary you said it was about the genus not the species, if it's about the genus why does it have a binomial name which is Giraffa camelopardalis? If it is really about the genus then what is Giraffa camelopardalis, is this not about the species? I'm confused, please explain. Dancing ''Dollar'' (''let's talk'') 10:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Dancing Dollar}} check out the Taxonomy section for the attendant complications (for that matter, the lede explains this as well). Giraffe classification vaccilates between one and nine species or subspecies, plus there's a bunch of fossil species. All of these are known as "giraffe". We've also had numerous discussions on the talk page about how these variations in classification are to presented across articles. The current phrasing has been chosen to prevent the reader from assuming that this article is about one species only, or that it is even clear that there is only one species. This cannot be really be communicated in a taxobox, which is why that sticks to the basic binomial setup, but it can be done in text, which is why the article does '''not''' start off like a typical species article. I would suggest that if you feel strongly about this, you take it to the talk page? Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 11:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

:OK, thanks for explaining, I understand now, and I won't bother with the Taxonomy of the giraffe. Dancing ''Dollar'' (''let's talk'') 11:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Stalking?

Why are you going to all my contributions and reverting them? Feels a bit like stalking. You said things like "low quality" which is a personal opinion maybe but the videos are in high resolution 4k and clearly show the behavior of the subject of the articles. Not every Wiki user has seen these birds in real life, and a video helps to illustrate motion/behavior etc. Please justify yourself before further stalking my contributions. Thanks. Nesnad (talk) 11:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Hmm. I noticed now that you also reverted my goldfish contribution etc too. This clearly feels targeted. Have I offended you? Lets discuss it. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Nesnad}} I noticed you adding material of doubtful quality and therefore checked your other contributions, and found more of the same (most of these articles are on my watchlist anyway). That is not WP:STALKING ↗ and you would be well advised not to bandy this accusation around without cause. - As for the quality of these videos, I disagree that shots of birds walking or flitting around in a cage are high-quality or even substantially informative additions to these articles. The video added to golden pheasant ↗ for example consists mostly of cage bars blurring past while a pheasant takes a few steps behind them. That's an indifferent and uninformative home video that should not be taking up screen real estate in an encyclopedia, especially in articles already well supplied with image material. The goldfish is gasping in place in a bare aquarium - how is that useful information for the reader? Creators of images, videos or artwork are frequently least well placed to assess the suitability for use on WP because they obviously have a creator's attachment to this stuff. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 16:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
::Why are you the god of deciding quality though? A fence makes something have no quality? You might be very familiar with these animals and so it might not have "value" to you, but to someone who hasn't seen them it shows movement, shape and qualities that a photograph can't convey. I really don't understand the Java sparrow deletion. If your problem is a fence, there was no fence? It shows how the birds behave and interact. If you think they are not high enough quality, go take your own videos and add those. But unless you can explain how they are not valuable I think they should be added back. Not everyone is an expert on bird motions or whatever you are claiming to be. So don't go around harassing me because you want to belittle my contributions (which I have no "attachment" to, I took them for Wikipedia--- to add to it's value not my value... as the main page says Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." It's not about some weird "must have television quality visuals only" or something? The whole point is the democratization of knowledge. I will add the videos back if you don't disagree with me helping to share knowledge with the world, Nesnad (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
:::{{re|Nesnad}} Building a well-constructed encyclopedia is not congruent with the "everyone dumping all possible content on a page" approach you seem to favour. We all make value judgement about suitable material, all the time, and the way to resolve these issues is input from multiple editors. That is why we should be having this discussion on the affected articles' talk pages. However, no one is going to start a pro forma discussion for every revert they make, only if it is necessary. Hence: if you are so resolved to reinstate your material, I will revert it again, then kick of a discussion at the relevant talk page. At which time the matter will remain in abeyance until resolved by consensus (see WP:BRD ↗).--Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 18:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
::I see you two editors are arguing about content on Wikipedia, so how did this all begin? On one hand we have Elmidae the reverter and on the other we have Nesnad the provider of videos. Elmidae seems to be pissed off by the addition of videos on articles while Nesnad seems to think otherwise. I used to have these kinds of fights with my wife but it stopped thanks to a third opinion, so maybe that's what is needed here. So first of all, Nesnad why are you adding videos? That's what your contributions are all about and Elmidae seems to be reverting a fair amount of these edits. Just be on good terms with each other, I think it might be helpful if you guys just stop this until you come to an agreement. This situation is like when there's an art project and one of the artists wants to add glitter to the project but one artist keeps on removing it so they eventually come into conflict. But ask yourself this question, Have you ever felt like you know you’re right, but the other person doesn’t understand? In this case just compromise, for example Elmidae can say "Maybe you're right, not everybody may be an expert or know how these creatures move" or Nesnad can say "Maybe Elmidae is right, maybe my videos are low quality". If not these, you can simply utter the words "I understand", these powerful words can have an effect but it doesn't you agree. I said what I had to say, if you can't agree then disengage. Dancing ''Dollar'' (''let's talk'') 19:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks Dancing Dollar, good thoughts. For my side, I don't want to provide low quality video so if Elmidae can point out if they are too low resolution or whatever I'm ok with not adding them. But complaining that the video isn't good because the fish is in a small tank (which many goldfish are, this isn't an encyclopedia of feel-good videos, it is about describing the creature) or that the animal is pacing in a cage (many do, once again) seems just to be emotional attacks on the content, nothing to do with them not helping to illustrate the articles. So I don't understand the gate keeping. To the point, I am open to a discussion on the matter but don't like unilateral "I am god of these articles!" kind of attitudes, that's all. Elmidae, no hard feelings to you as a person of course. I'm sure you are a great person. I just was rubbed the wrong way about your dismissal of the value I was trying to add. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 05:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
:::I'm not interested in turning this into some grand contest of wills, and explaining a valuation of an image/video as unsuitable for an article is, from experience, a fruitless exercise if the other party does not want to look further than a higher resolution value. That's why we get other people's estimation at the relevant article talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 09:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
::::You are still being combative. You went through all of them and deleted them, why is it too much work to tell me why you they they have no value? I am willing to listen. Why is it your choice to delete it but we have to debate it on the talk page to add them back? That still paints you as Wiki-God. Don't understand your power trip. I'm trying to be fair and discuss it with you, and you are just trying to act like judge jury. I'm confused. Nesnad (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

World War II and the history of Jews in Poland ↗: Arbitration case opened

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Bacteria not validly published

Wikipedia has hundreds of articles on bacteria that are "not validly published" according to LPSN (I'm not sure what the SN in LPSN is actually supposed to mean: I would say that names that aren't validly published don't have any "Standing in Nomenclature"). I'm not supportive of creating stubs for species that that aren't validly published, but I'm not sure that all such articles should be deleted, or that "not validly published" status in LPSN is sufficient grounds for deletion (on the other hand, SPECIESOUTCOMES can't be applied as a reason to keep). To pick a couple species that aren't validly published: ''Mycobacterium orygis ↗'' is a human and veterinary pathogen; ''Achromobacter obae ↗'' has had the complete genome sequenced (although that also true for many other species these days). I think these are likely notable species. And it's not just species; there are a number of higher level taxa that haven't been validly published, most notably, Bacteria ↗ itself, but another is Class Tissierellia ↗. I am having more trouble finding invalidly published higher taxa than last time I browsed LPSN, but there are still some out there (until fairly recently, phyla weren't covered by the nomenclatural code, so there were no phyla that were validly published until October 2021 ↗, also see a https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/newly-renamed-prokaryote-phyla-cause-uproar-69578 news story] about phyla names), but Wikipedia had articles on bacterial phyla before that (albeit under different names).

Not being published in IJSEM ↗ is a major reason why many names listed in LPSN aren't validly published, but IJSEM does regularly publish lists validating names published in other journals. The purported publication for ''Saccharopolyspora salina'' has numerous problems and I think that it is OK to delete, but using "not validly published" as a criterion for deleting bacteria article could end up leaving Wikipedia with holes in the higher taxonomy of bacteria. Plantdrew (talk) 19:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
:Hmm. Here I thought we had specifically been using "not validly published" as a deletion criterion in the past, but maybe I have conflated that with related reasons. There's a bit of a hybrid zone between "validly published" and "widely accepted/used/recognized", I guess, where corner cases may arise. Well, that's why we have these discussions - so the corner cases can be argued :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 20:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

The Jungle Book and the Second Jungle Book

How are they NOT adventure novels? Just curious. (12.138.16.154 ↗ (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)12.138.16.154)
:They are short story collections; and some of the stories are adventures, some are fables, some are allegorical, and some are satires. Definitely not "adventure novels". --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 20:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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Australian white ibis edits

Hi I am new to wiki and tried to add a citation to support my edits but didn’t succeed. The citation would be a PhD thesis from the University of Melbourne by KW Lowe “The feeding and breeding biology of the Sacred Ibis (sic Australian White Ibis) in southern Victoria”. 1984. Hoping you can re-instate my edits and advise how to add the citation. Cheers. Dribis (talk) 02:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Dribis}} - that works. I've inserted the reference. It's a pity it is not freely available online, though. Did Lowe not publish these findings in a paper at some point? He seems to have made quite a career out of this species :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 14:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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Crotalus Oreganus

Hello Elmidae,

I saw that you reverted my edit on the page Crotalus oreganus ↗. Given that there are numerous other articles on species where the common name comes before the scientific name, I would like to have your opinion on why this page deserves to be written differently. I'm open to listening to anyone of your reasoning.

Sincerely, BLITZKRIEGCAT (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|BlitzkriegCat}} The convention is that the first sentence of the lede attributes the text to the name of the article, then other names. That means that if the article name is "Common name", the first sentence usually goes "Common name (scientific name) is a ..."; if the article name is "Scientific name", then it usually goes "Scientific name, known as common Name, is ...". You might agree that this is a sensible arrangement to spare the reader needless puzzlement. If you think that for this article it should be the other way around than currently in use, that would be an argument about moving (i.e., renaming) the article itself to the common name. However, that is not entirely straightforward, as Crotalus_oreganus#Common_names ↗ will show, and I would argue against any such proposal. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 17:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
::@Elmidae Alright then, I can buy into this convention. BLITZKRIEGCAT (talk) 17:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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Could you check, please?

Hello :-) Worked hard to add another article about a super rare disease: NTBI-Glycolysis-Cytopathy (NG-Cytopathy) ↗.
But where if not here? People need to know. Would you be so kind to check it? As far as I understand this is necessary. Thanks a lot! BenjaminFeldman (talk) 23:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|BenjaminFeldman}} I'm currently seeing two issues with the article: one, the sourcing needs to be improved. More than half of the sections do not have a single source. This is especially crucial for medical articles because they are subject to stricter guidelines (WP:MEDRS ↗). Second, it is not entirely clear to me that this is a recognized condition on its own, rather than just a coincident combination of separate conditions. The only source that seems to treat it as an entity is Jakovleva et al., as far as I can see (this source is in there twice, BTW). If the name is not in common usage, then that would be a case of synthesis ↗ on your part, which is not something we can do here. Can you show some sources that specifially discuss "NG-Cytopathy" as a discrete condition?

:Because of the sourcing issues, I have moved the article to draft for the time being (Draft:NTBI-Glycolysis-Cytopathy (NG-Cytopathy) ↗) where it can be worked on without pressure. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 06:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

::Thanks. This is a very recent finding. Therefore, let’s delete the draft, please. I will wait a year or two until more studies are on the table, and then write a new article. It’s an extremely rare condition, therefore we have time. Most likely there will be way more works on it in the near future. By then the terminology should also be more reliable. Therefore, could you pls. delete the draft? I was a but too early I guess. I am professionally so much into these topics that in this case I was not strict enough towards myself. Thanks again! BenjaminFeldman (talk) 10:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
:::WP:There is no deadline ↗ :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 10:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

::::Thanks! As you can see I am not experienced at all in this space here. I will definitely wait for more paper/studies etc. to be published. Whenever one is professionally involved in such topics one might forget that what is crystal clear for oneself might be too early for an encyclopedia. At least as long as there is not a coherent terminology and some papers are stuck in the peer review process. One tends to forget that the general public who is the audience here needs that clarity. I have the topic on my agenda and will see how the situation looks like in a year or two. There are other topics that have also to be added to Wikipedia, more established ones. To bring them in is better invested energy I guess. I thank you for your guidance. Have a pleasant day. BenjaminFeldman (talk) 17:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Baltic sea

Hello, Elmidae,

I do not understand your revert on this page.

no part of Ukraine is part of the drainage divide of any river flowing into the Baltic Sea (See : Drainage divide ↗). You revered my correction without explanation, so I guess you have a different definition of what constitutes a basin country ?

thank you in advance.

  SarmentFurtif (talk) 11:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|SarmentFurtif}} in such cases, check the referenced source, which for this statement is this ↗. You can see that parts of western Ukraine are within the drainage basin - not much, but it does go a hundred or so km deep along one sub-system. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 11:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Pileated woodpecker

Hi Elmidae! A colleague at the place where I work pointed me toward a citation on the "Pileated woodpecker ↗" page which seems to be bogus ("Woodpecker excavations promote tree decay and carbon storage in an old forest"); this citation was added by {{u|Filippetr2}} back in March. After doing a quick search for it and realizing that the DOI was misassigned and the title did not yield any hits, I removed it. We suspect this was an AI-generated citation. Either way, I removed it and made a note on the WP:LLM ↗ talk page. I was wondering if you had any thoughts about this?--Gen. Quon[[User talk:Gen. Quon|[Talk]]] 14:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Gen. Quon}} beats me, frankly. I just went looking after this as well when I saw you remove it. Not only does the DOI point somewhere else, but no issue in this year of the paper's run has page numbers > 600, whereas this is stated to be in the 700s. It's nowhere in the adjacent volumes either. So, yeah - a hoax. I have no idea what the point of that was, seeing that the attributed statement seems credible and quite uncontroversial. Thanks for verifying! --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 14:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Deletion discussion invitation

25px|link=|alt= ↗ You are invited to join the discussion at :Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gyurkovicsarna ↗. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:32, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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{{icon|FA}} ''Titanis ↗'' by {{noping|Augustios Paleo}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of lorisoids ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of storks ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Brontosaurus ↗'' by {{noping|Augustios Paleo}}, reviewed by {{noping|The Morrison Man}} 
{{icon|GA}} Eukaryote ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GA}} Stramenopile ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Titanoboa ↗'' by {{noping|Augustios Paleo}}, reviewed by {{noping|SilverTiger12}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Antarctopelta ↗'' by {{noping|Augustios Paleo}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Anna Blackburne ↗ by {{noping|Kusma}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Anomochilus leonardi ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Amitchell125}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Nyctibatrachus manalari ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Sammi Brie}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Mimodactylus ↗'' by {{noping|FunkMonk}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Nyctibatrachus major ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Anomochilus weberi ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
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{{icon|GAN}} ''Klallamornis ↗'' by {{noping|Larrayal}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Hypericum perforatum ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Holozoa ↗ by {{noping|Snoteleks}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Teloschistaceae ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Carcharodontosaurus ↗'' by {{noping|Augustios Paleo}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Nyctibatrachus radcliffei ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}} 
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Could you check, please?

Hello :-) Would you be so kind to check the new article Oshtoran Syndrome ↗. I worked hard on it and it would be a pity if it ends in the unchecked desert. And please, no internal link to PANS. Therefore the link to Standford. This topic has, for reasons only the Lord knows, been a battleground in the English Wikipedia of which the new article should not become a part of. Thanks so much in advance -BenjaminFeldman (talk) 11:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

about philippine eagle diplomacy

those are sourced from the website of the philippine eagle foundation. specifically for the pair which goes into more detail into them. what makes you think its unsourced?? Kurt247 (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:cmon answer something Kurt247 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
::Article talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 07:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter Issue 22

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{{icon|FA}} Polar bear ↗ by {{noping|Little Jerry}} 
{{icon|FA}} ''Ohmdenosaurus ↗'' by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Amargatitanis ↗'' by {{noping|Augustios Paleo}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Teloschistaceae ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} Holozoa ↗ by {{noping|Snoteleks}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} Ashy flycatcher ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Nyctibatrachus radcliffei ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Carcharodontosaurus ↗'' by {{noping|Augustios Paleo}}, reviewed by {{noping|SilverTiger12}} 
{{icon|GA}} Life ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Apatosaurinae ↗ by {{noping|Augustios Paleo}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Hypericum perforatum ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, reviewed by {{noping|Femke}} 
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... that the spiky inedible grass '''''Triodia scintillans ↗''''' tastes like salt and vinegar chips? (September 19)

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WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter Issue 23

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{{icon|FA}} ''Mimodactylus ↗'' by {{noping|FunkMonk}} 
{{icon|FA}} Mountain pigeon ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of tarsiiformes ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of hominoids ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of cranes ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|FL}} Outline of lichens ↗ by {{noping|MeegsC}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Lycorma meliae ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} Oak ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} Animal echolocation ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Primium}} 
{{icon|GA}} Elke Mackenzie ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Moriwen}} 
{{icon|GA}} Dwarf pufferfish ↗ by {{noping|Primium}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} Hyalospheniidae ↗ by {{noping|Snoteleks}}, reviewed by {{noping|An anonymous username, not my real name}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Paroedura maingoka ↗'' by {{noping|Olmagon}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
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{{icon|FAC}} ''Hypericum sechmenii ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|FAC}} Teloschistaceae ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|FAC}} ''Nyctibatrachus major ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|FLC}} List of sunbirds ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|FLC}} List of platyrrhines ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Handicap principle ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Slime mold ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Punctelia ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Pulchrocladia retipora ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Anaptychia ciliaris ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Mocquard's Madagascar ground gecko ↗ by {{noping|Olmagon}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Zavodovski Island ↗ by {{noping|Jo-Jo Eumerus}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Chrysothrix chlorina ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Wood-pasture hypothesis ↗ by {{noping|AndersenAnders}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Mammalian kidney ↗ by {{noping|D6194c-1cc}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Lepas testudinata ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Teratoscincus roborowskii ↗'' by {{noping|Olmagon}} 
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The second edition of our monthly contest ↗ was even better than the last month, with 80 articles improved spanning the entire tree of life. The winner this month was {{noping|Quetzal1964}}, who contributed to 47 articles, mainly relating to marine fish ↗, and racked up 81 points in the process. In second place was {{noping|simongraham}}, who got 60 points from 14 articles on various species of jumping spider ↗s. {{noping|simongraham}} is still at the top of our overall standings, with 130 points, and {{noping|Quetzal1964}}'s close behind on 108. The November edition of the contest is now open: feel free to drop by and participate if you work on any TOL-related articles this month.

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{{main page image/DYK|image=Lycorma Meliae.png|caption=''Lycorma meliae''}}
 
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... that the '''Siberian columbine ↗''' has been crossed ↗ with another species in the genus ''Aquilegia ↗'' to determine the gene behind the genus's nectar spurs ↗? (October 2)

... that the '''swordtail molly ↗''' ''(examples pictured)'' and the '''Petén molly ↗''' have been named and renamed so often, one even ending up with the other's name at one point, that the swordtail molly's current scientific name ↗ means 'confusion'? (October 8)

... that the early big cat '''''Pachypanthera ↗''''' may have weighed as much as 142 kilograms (313 lb) and had teeth similar to a hyena's? (October 9)

... that ancient Greek philosopher Xenophon ↗ thought the '''alopekis ↗''' was part dog, part fox? (October 11)

... that the katydid ↗-like fossil '''''Republicopteron douseae ↗''''' possibly could not sing? (October 12)

... that a '''''Brontosaurus ↗''''' stamp led to the United States Postal Service ↗ being accused of "fostering scientific illiteracy"? (October 16)

... that the wings of '''''Lycorma meliae ↗''''' ''(example pictured)'' undergo multiple color changes throughout their lives? (October 16)

... that the three-toed species of '''''Diplobune ↗''''' ''(fossils pictured)'' were mammals of the order of "even-toed ungulates ↗"? (October 17)

... that although fossils of the extinct mammal '''''Asiavorator ↗''''' were first found in 1922, the genus was not named until 73 years later, in 1995? (October 18)

... that in aquariums, the '''humpbacked limia ↗''' is known to cannibalise the young? (October 21)

... that '''''Hypericum perforatum ↗''''' was a common component of classical ↗ cure-all concoctions called theriacs ↗? (October 21)

... that Aristotle classified living things based on whether they had a "sensitive soul" or, like '''plants ↗''', only a "vegetative soul"? (October 22)

... that in June 2022, a neurosurgeon found '''a roundworm ↗''' in someone's brain? (October 23)

... that '''ancient permafrost can preserve viable microorganisms ↗''', some of which contain antibiotic-resistance ↗ genes that may be transferred to modern bacteria ↗? (October 27)

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Math

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muscovy_duck&diff=1185720103&oldid=1185704868 ↗ Hi!

I reverted back because it is ''impossible'' per our normal definition of the term in science.

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Edit in Schneider Electric page

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Hi @Elmidae,
Thanks for reverting the last addition done to Schneider Electric page related to AECOP information. Would it be possible to replicate that change also un the French version of the page (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Electric)
Thanks in advance! Beatriz at Schneider Electric (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi {{re|Beatriz at Schneider Electric}} I hesitate to go reverting things on a WP project where I have no standing and can only just decipher the text (school French only goes so far...). Cross-project reverting has a tendency to attract criticism, for good reason. I suggest placing an edit request on that talk page and pointing out that this type of edit violates WP:UNDUE ↗ (that concept exists on all language version - here is the French one: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Neutralit%C3%A9_de_point_de_vue#UNDUE ↗). What I find really descriptive here is our WP:Coatrack ↗ essay, but I don't believe that exists on frWP. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 18:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hi @Elmidae, thanks a lot for your quick answer. I fully understand. I'll ask the French wikipedians to check the content. Thanks a lot for your guidance too. That helps a lot. Have agreat day! Beatriz at Schneider Electric (talk) 07:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter Issue 24

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{{icon|FA}} ''Hypericum sechmenii ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|FA}} ''Nyctibatrachus major ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of platyrrhines ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of gymnosperm families ↗ by {{noping|Dank}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Varroa destructor ↗'' by {{noping|KoA}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Lepas testudinata ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Island bronze-naped pigeon ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|SilverTiger12}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Placidium arboreum ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|SilverTiger12}} 
{{icon|GA}} Orange-billed lorikeet ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Spinular night frog ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|An anonymous username, not my real name}} 
{{icon|GA}} Crested cuckoo-dove ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Femke}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Aristonectes ↗'' by {{noping|Amirani1746}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Mocquard's Madagascar ground gecko ↗ by {{noping|Olmagon}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GA}} Femoral gland ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Ameerega munduruku ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Snowy plover ↗ by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}}, reviewed by {{noping|SilverTiger12}} 
{{icon|GA}} Crested cuckoo-dove ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} Wood-pasture hypothesis ↗ by {{noping|AndersenAnders}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Hypericum bupleuroides ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Teratoscincus roborowskii ↗'' by {{noping|Olmagon}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Pulchrocladia retipora ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Anaptychia ciliaris ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
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{{icon|FAC}} Snowy plover ↗ by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|FLC}} List of birds of Bouvet Island ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Laomaki ↗'' by {{noping|An anonymous username, not my real name}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Nyctibatrachus robinmoorei ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Nyctibatrachus sabarimalai ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Nyctibatrachus mewasinghi ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Eucalyptus gomphocephala ↗'' by {{noping|Hughesdarren}} 
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The third edition of our monthly contest ↗ saw {{noping|Quetzal1964}} win for the second month in a row, scoring 68 points from 39 articles about a variety of marine fishes. In second place for the month is {{noping|Olmagon}}, who scored 45 points from 10 articles on extinct crustaceans and geckoes. In the overall standings, {{noping|Quetzal1964}} leapfrogged over {{noping|simongraham}} into first place, with 176 points from 109 articles; {{noping|simongraham}} is now in second place with 136 points from 37 articles. The December edition of the contest is now open: feel free to drop by and participate if you work on any TOL-related articles this month.

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{{main page image/DYK|image=Anoplotherium 1812 Skeleton Sketch.jpg|caption=Georges Cuvier ↗'s reconstruction of ''Anoplotherium commune''}}
 
{{main page image/DYK|image=Paroedura maingoka dans le parc national de Tsimanampetsotsa, Madagascar cropped.jpg|caption=''Paroedura maingoka''}}
 
{{main page image/DYK|image=Wyethia amplexicaulis 03 tall narrow crop.png|caption=Field of ''Wyethia amplexicaulis'' in bloom}}
 
{{main page image/DYK|image=Carinotetraodon travancoricus by Parazelsus (cropped).jpg|caption=An adult dwarf pufferfish}}
 
{{main page image/DYK|image=Western Caspian turtle (Mauremys rivulata), El-Al river (cropped).jpg|caption=Adult Balkan terrapin}}
 
{{main page image/DYK|image=Collection Penard MHNG Specimen 514-4-3 Nebela marginata.tif|caption=''Planocarina marginata'', a hyalospheniid amoeba}}
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... that a variety of the '''Connecticut field pumpkin ↗''' is known as "the original commercial jack-o'-lantern pumpkin"? (November 1)

... that insects not only destroyed the personal plant collection of '''John Hunter Thomas ↗''', but also bear his name ↗? (November 3)

... that '''life ↗''' exists in every part of the biosphere ↗, from the deepest parts of the ocean ''(bacterium pictured)'' to altitudes of up to 64 km (40 miles) in the atmosphere? (November 6)

... that '''''Sivapardus ↗''''' was larger than a leopard, smaller than a lion, and had a face like a cheetah? (November 7)

... that '''Lillian V. Holdeman Moore ↗''' identified a spike in hydrogen-gas-producing bacteria in Skylab ↗ astronauts? (November 8)

... that euglossine bees ↗ distribute the seeds of '''vanilla tlatepusco ↗'''? (November 11)

... that in 1822, the Paleogene ↗ mammal '''''Anoplotherium commune ↗''''' ''(reconstruction pictured)'' was the first fossil species to be subjected to a brain cast ↗ study? (November 12)

... that the '''island bronze-naped pigeon ↗''' is a popular food at bars and parties on São Tomé ↗? (November 12)

... that '''little pink elephants ↗''' are parasitic ↗? (November 12)

... that the gecko '''''Paroedura maingoka ↗''''' ''(pictured)'' imitates venomous scorpions to discourage predators? (November 13)

... that the scenic fields of '''northern wyethia ↗''' ''(pictured)'' found in the western United States are sometimes a sign that an area has been overgrazed ↗? (November 15)

... that a '''1950s album of frog calls ↗''' developed a cult following? (November 15)

... that at a maximum standard length ↗ of roughly 2 cm (0.8 in), '''dwarf pufferfish ↗''' are some of the smallest pufferfish in the world? (November 18)

... that the authors of '''''The Neanderthals Rediscovered ↗''''' learned that their book proposal had been accepted on the same day they took their twin sons home from hospital? (November 20)

... that hatchling '''Balkan terrapins ↗''' are only 3 to 4 centimetres (1.2 to 1.6 in) in length, while adults ''(example pictured)'' can grow as long as 25 cm (9.8 in)? (November 21)

... that '''organisms could harvest kinetic energy ↗''' to survive? (November 22)

... that pollution in rivers scatters far-red light ↗, making it harder for plants like '''''Noveloa ↗''''' to germinate ↗? (November 23)

... that many '''hyalospheniid amoebae ↗''' ''(example pictured)'' construct shells by stealing mineralized particles from the shells of their prey? (November 28)

... that '''an ancient wildcat species ↗''' is known only from a part of the jaw of a single animal discovered in Poland? (November 29)

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WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter Issue 25

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{{icon|FA}} Snowy plover ↗ by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|FA}} Teloschistaceae ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of birds of Bouvet Island ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of sunbirds ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} Slime mold ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} Handicap principle ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GA}} Insect ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Iztwoz}} 
{{icon|GA}} Wheat ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|KoA}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Eucalyptus gomphocephala ↗'' by {{noping|Hughesdarren}}, reviewed by {{noping|Grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Buellia frigida ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|J Milburn}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Nyctibatrachus robinmoorei ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Nyctibatrachus mewasinghi ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Nyctibatrachus sabarimalai ↗'' by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} Great cuckoo-dove ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Lake Patzcuaro salamander ↗ by {{noping|Etriusus}}, reviewed by {{noping|Grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Anoplotherium ↗'' by {{noping|PrimalMustelid}}, reviewed by {{noping|20 upper}} 
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{{icon|FAC}} Alpine ibex ↗ by {{noping|LittleJerry}} 
{{icon|FAC}} ''Pseudastacus ↗'' by {{noping|Olmagon}} 
{{icon|FAC}} ''Pachysentis ↗'' by {{noping|Mattximus}} 
{{icon|FLC}} List of primates ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Banded palm civet ↗ by {{noping|Cremastra}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Perothops ↗'' by {{noping|Memer15151}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Hypericum hircinum ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Boquila ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}} and {{noping|Veridicae}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Aptostichus barackobamai ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Buffy-tufted marmoset ↗ by {{noping|André Ribeiro Cardoso}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Ant mimicry ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Mosquito ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Anopheles ↗'' by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Rice ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Pliosaurus andrewsi ↗'' by {{noping|Amirani1746}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Triassosculda ↗'' by {{noping|Abdullah raji}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Flaco (owl) ↗ by {{noping|Rhododendrites}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Crassispira incrassata ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Sei whale ↗ by {{noping|20 upper}} 
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And so ends the fourth edition of the monthly rolling contest ↗, as well as the 2023 Tree of Life Contest as a whole. This month saw {{noping|simongraham}} win with a very impressive 120 points from 27 articles. {{noping|Quetzal1964}} was second with 74 points from 37 articles. The annual contest was a close race between simongraham and Quetzal1964; simongraham won first place with 256 points from 64 articles, and Quetzal1964 was second with 250 points from 146 articles. {{noping|Snoteleks}} was third with 79 points from 33 articles. Congratulations to everyone who won this year and my gratitude to everyone else who helped raise the quality of articles in our little corner of Wikipedia this year. Additionally, a very Happy New Year to everyone in the project and here's looking forward to continuing our good work in 2024!
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{{main page image/DYK|image=Quepiaco (33021024455).jpg|caption=Bofedales in the foreground}}
 
{{main page image/DYK|image=Female Varroa destructor on the head of a bee nymph (5048103407).jpg|caption=Adult female Varroa mite}}
 
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... that a "bat ensnared by a plant" was discovered in the garden of the '''Palestine Museum of Natural History ↗'''? (December 2)

... that female '''snowy plovers ↗''' often abandon their families as soon as the chicks hatch? (December 4)

... that '''''Lepas testudinata ↗''''' can form colonies ↗ of more than 1000 members at a time? (December 5)

... that the gecko '''''Teratoscincus roborowskii ↗''''' eats caper ↗ fruits and disperses the plant's seeds in its feces? (December 5)

... that '''Henk Zwartepoorte ↗''' quacked at caimans ↗? (December 5)

... that the green colour of '''bofedales ↗''' ''(examples pictured)'' stands out in the yellow surrounding landscape? (December 6)

... that '''''Desulfovibrio vulgaris ↗''''' can remove toxic heavy metals from the environment? (December 8)

... that '''''Varroa destructor ↗''''' ''(example pictured)'', the Varroa mite, is an external parasitic mite ↗ that attacks and feeds on honey bees ↗ and is one of the most harmful honey-bee pests in the world? (December 11)

... that young '''orange-billed lorikeets ↗''' are actually yellow-billed? (December 16)

... that '''stinking tutsan ↗''' smells like goat? (December 20)

... that '''orange paintbrushes ↗''' are guarded by rufous hummingbirds ↗? (December 21)

... that the Antarctic lichen '''''Buellia frigida ↗''''' has been to outer space? (December 22)

... that the closest modern fern relatives to '''''Dennstaedtia christophelii ↗''''' ''(fossil pictured)'' of the Pacific Northwest are tropical species from South America? (December 24)

... that in Icelandic folklore, the '''Yule cat ↗''' eats people who do not receive new clothing for Christmas? (December 25)

... that the '''Lake Patzcuaro salamander ↗'''<nowiki/>'s native habitat is limited to a single lake in Mexico ↗? (December 28)

... that plant species like '''''Hypericum bupleuroides ↗''''' can reproduce by a callus ↗? (December 29)

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Java sparrow ↗

Wisconsin86 ↗ was just blocked for WP:CITESPAM ↗ and that account is part of a whole ring of accounts ↗ whose sole purpose is to spam papers by Antonio Arnaiz-Villena into articles. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:Doesn't matter as long as an editor in good standing takes it over and the statement and reference is correct; WP:FRUIT ↗ and all that. But as it happens, we were both wrong, because it was an unsuitable reference for a true statement. I have added the correct 2020 study instead. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 17:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Redtail catfish

The image i edited in is simply labeled wrong. Brachyplatystoma does not resemble Fish br.jpg ↗, which is obviously a SAmerican redtail catfish; you can verify the sorry state of images for the Piraiba yourself in Commons ↗.

Giving you a heads up for the re-revert. Anthropophoca (talk) 11:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Cave wolf

Thank you for your resolute action at ANI. You were correct that changes did not need to be discussed at the Talk page just because of little new-content activity - this species has been one of the most overlooked in terms of research. Nonetheless, some days the article receives over 100 visitors.

I note that you have placed your trout slap for User:Augmented Seventh on my Talk page with a call, and that may have been your intention.
Regards, 14.2.205.177 ↗ (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

An_Affair_of_Honor_(short_story)..

How many more citations are needed? Weavingowl (talk) 14:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
::{{re|Weavingowl}} The minimum for showing notability and keeping the article is already met - one link to the story itself, and two critical assessments. However, one of those (the blog source) is rather weak, since it is self-published. Further WP:SECONDARY ↗ critical material is therefore desireable. I have removed the "short story tricks" reference, as this type of self-published mini-factoid is not considered reliable and does not add to the coverage of the work. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 07:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
:::It's odd that I can't find anything else about it....maybe someone else will. Makes me wonder if it's just super obscure. Weavingowl (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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{{icon|FA}} Markham's storm petrel ↗ by {{noping|FunkMonk}}, {{noping|Jens Lallensack}}, and {{noping|Therapyisgood}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of primates ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of birds of Alberta ↗ by {{noping|grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} Rice ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|RecycledPixels}} 
{{icon|GA}} Barley ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Bruxton}} 
{{icon|GA}} Chicken ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|DocZach}} 
{{icon|GA}} Cereal ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Bruxton}} 
{{icon|GA}} Ant mimicry ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Anopheles ↗'' by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} Mosquito ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|20 upper}} 
{{icon|GA}} Cherry blossom ↗ by {{noping|Reconrabbit}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} Sei whale ↗ by {{noping|20 upper}}, reviewed by {{noping|grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} Megaherbivore ↗ by {{noping|20 upper}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} Brown bear ↗ by {{noping|20 upper}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} Indian rhinoceros ↗ by {{noping|20 upper}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Hypericum hircinum ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, reviewed by {{noping|grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Hypericum foliosum ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Hypericum grandifolium ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Boquila ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Aptostichus barackobamai ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Crassispira incrassata ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}}, reviewed by {{noping|20 upper}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Punctelia ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Ealdgyth}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Chrysothrix chlorina ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Ealdgyth}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Chrysothrix chlorina ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Ealdgyth}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Ramalina peruviana ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Ealdgyth}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Menemerus animatus ↗'' by {{noping|simongraham}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Afraflacilla braunsi ↗'' by {{noping|simongraham}}, reviewed by {{noping|grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Nasutoceratops ↗'' by {{noping|FunkMonk}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Pseudastacus ↗'' by {{noping|Olmagon}}, reviewed by {{noping|FunkMonk}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Angustidontus ↗'' by {{noping|Super Dromaeosaurus}} and {{noping|Ichthyovenator}}, reviewed by {{noping|Amitchell125}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Pruemopterus ↗'' by {{noping|Super Dromaeosaurus}} and {{noping|Ichthyovenator}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GA}} Black-billed magpie ↗ by {{noping|grungaloo}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Black-capped chickadee ↗ by {{noping|grungaloo}}, reviewed by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|GA}} Horned sungem ↗ by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}}, reviewed by {{noping|grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} Flaco (owl) ↗ by {{noping|Rhododendrites}}, reviewed by {{noping|Etriusus}} 
{{icon|GA}} Telonemia ↗ by {{noping|Snotoleks}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} "''Pliosaurus''" ''andrewsi'' ↗ by {{noping|Amirani1746}}, reviewed by {{noping|grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} Beaver drop ↗ by {{noping|Lightburst}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 

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{{icon|FAC}} Tufted jay ↗ by {{noping|grungaloo}} 
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{{icon|GAN}} Cattle ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Pig ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Domestic duck ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
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{{icon|GAN}} Fish ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Barnacle ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
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{{icon|GAN}} ''Melanohalea ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
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{{icon|GAN}} ''Hypericum'' × ''inodorum'' ↗ by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Hypericum'' sect. ''Androsaemum'' ↗ by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Olga Hartman ↗ by {{noping|Viriditas}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Mixtotherium ↗'' by {{noping|PrimalMustelid}} 
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Our first double issue in almost four years ↗, although we will try to return to a monthly schedule henceforth (incidentally, the last double issue saw Markham's storm petrel ↗ at GAN, and this one sees it finally pass FAC).

A highly competitive first round of the WikiCup ↗ sees four Tree of Life editors advance to the second round: {{noping|MtBotany}}, {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, {{noping|Ealdgyth}}, and {{noping|AryKun}}

The March 2024 GAN Backlog Drive ↗ starts today; everyone is welcome to participate and help reduce the backlog of GANs.

The January edition of our monthly rolling contest ↗ was won by {{noping|Quetzal1964}} with 100 points from 40 articles, mainly related to various species of marine fish. {{noping|simongraham}} was second with 80 points from 14 articles on jumping spiders.

The February edition saw {{noping|Quetzal1964}} win for the second time in a row, with 114 points from 43 articles. In second place was {{noping|Snoteleks}}, with 21 points from 7 seven articles on various unicellular eukaryote ↗s, including the GA Telonemia ↗.

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... that '''''Dacrytherium ↗''''', literally meaning 'tear beast', was named after its "tear-pit ↗"? (3 January)

... that misidentifications of the '''crested cuckoo-dove ↗''' have led to claims that the extinct Choiseul pigeon ↗ is still around? (4 January)

... that the '''wood-pasture hypothesis ↗''' posits that semi-open wood pastures and not primeval forests are the natural vegetation of temperate Europe? (5 January)

... that until April 2023, when the genus ↗ '''''Triassosculda ↗''''' was discovered, the mantis shrimp ↗ fossil record contained a gap of more than a hundred million years? (5 January)

... that although '''Olga Hartman ↗''' believed that her basic research ↗ on marine worms had no practical value, it was applied to experimental studies of oysters? (6 January)

... that '''Oxford ivy ↗''' grows towards the light to bloom and then towards the darkness when going to seed? (17 January)

... that '''S. F. Light ↗''' ''(pictured)'' disliked using his full name? (20 January)

... that the fossil turtle '''''Acherontemys ↗''''' was named for a "river of the fabled lower world"? (26 January)

... that '''a species of spider ↗''' is named after Barack Obama ↗? (27 January)

... that '''''Boquila trifoliolata ↗''''' is the only known plant capable of simultaneously mimicking multiple species? (27 January)

... that '''''Harpegnathos alperti ↗''''' worker ants have black heads and chocolate-colored mandibles? (28 January)

... that all known populations of '''''Epipterygium opararense ↗''''' ''(example pictured)'' live within a 5-metre (16 ft) radius in New Zealand? (28 January)

... that female '''swamp guppies ↗''' ''(pictured)'' show no preference for orange or red coloration during courtship? (29 January)

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... that '''black-billed magpies ↗''' are known to eat ticks ↗ off deer ↗ and other large mammals ''(example pictured)''? (1 February)

... that scientist '''Adelaida K. Semesi ↗''' was known as "mama mangroves" due to her specialist knowledge of their ecology? (2 February)

... that for the '''southern molly ↗''', sexual selection ↗ favors smaller males because they copulate by sneaking up to females? (2 February)

... that '''eyelash seaweed ↗''' may have been made extinct ↗ by a single 2016 earthquake ↗? (4 February)

... that '''conservation in Indonesia ↗''' had little local support after independence because it was associated with the Dutch colonial period ↗? (5 February)

... that the artiodactyl ↗ '''''Ephelcomenus ↗''''' is thought to have been capable of burrowing? (6 February)

... that male '''mangrove mollies ↗''' mate sneakily? (14 February)

... that '''barley ↗''' was once used as a form of money? (14 February)

... it has been suggested that '''''Crassispira incrassata ↗''''' may be a southern variation of ''Crassispira bottae ↗'' and not its own species? (15 February)

... that the '''shining St John's wort ↗''' owes its bright colors partly to carotenoid ↗ compounds? (18 February)

... that having lived in Central Park for more than a year after becoming homeless, '''Flaco ↗''' ''(pictured)'' has been accused of being a peeping tom? (19 February)

... that the '''horned sungem ↗''' ''(example pictured)'' is sometimes a nectar robber ↗? (24 February)

... that the sea slug '''''Bosellia mimetica ↗''''' benefits from photosynthesis? (25 February)

... that almost all members of a flock of '''tufted jays ↗''' work together to build a nest? (28 February)

... that the hippocampus ↗ of the '''black-capped chickadee ↗''' grows in the fall and shrinks in the spring? (29 February)

... that an '''Indian rhinoceros ↗''', sent as a gift to Pope Leo X ↗ in 1515, was immortalised as ''Dürer's Rhinoceros ↗'' after dying in a shipwreck? (29 February)

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Reverted draftification

Hello. I wanted to let you know that I reversed your draftification of ...a nastal chaos ↗. The reason I did this is because articles older than 90 days should not be draftified without prior consensus at AfD, per WP:DRAFTIFY ↗ (point 2d). Hey man im josh (talk) 19:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review ↗ is now '''no longer accepting new proposals'''. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA ↗'s structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

'''Proposal 2 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|HouseBlaster}}, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship ↗ reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.

'''Proposals 3 ↗''' and '''3b ↗''', initiated by {{noping|Barkeep49}} and {{noping|Usedtobecool}}, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.

'''Proposal 5 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|SilkTork}}, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.

'''Proposals 6c ↗''' and '''6d ↗''', initiated by {{noping|BilledMammal}}, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.

'''Proposal 7 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|Lee Vilenski}}, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.

'''Proposal 9b ↗''', initiated by {{noping|Reaper Eternal}}, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.

'''Proposals 12c ↗''', '''21 ↗''', and '''21b ↗''', initiated by {{noping|City of Silver}}, {{u|Ritchie333}}, and {{u|HouseBlaster}}, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.

'''Proposal 13 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|Novem Lingaue}}, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.

'''Proposal 14 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|Kusma}}, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.

'''Proposals 16 ↗''' and '''16c ↗''', initiated by {{noping|Thebiguglyalien}} and {{noping|Soni}}, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard ↗; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.

'''Proposal 16e ↗''', initiated by {{noping|BilledMammal}}, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.

'''Proposal 17 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|SchroCat}}, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.

'''Proposal 18 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|theleekycauldron}}, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.

'''Proposal 24 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|SportingFlyer}}, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll ↗.

'''Proposal 25 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|Femke}}, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.

'''Proposal 27 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|WereSpielChequers}}, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.

'''Proposal 28 ↗''', initiated by {{noping|HouseBlaster}}, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals ↗. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron ↗ (talk • she/her), via:

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'''Backlog update:''' The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to {{no ping|Schminnte}}, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to {{no ping|JTtheOG}}, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion ↗.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

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'''WMF work on PageTriage:''' The WMF Moderator Tools team ↗ and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October ↗, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November ↗. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed ↗, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October ↗. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins

Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review ↗ has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

'''Proposals 2 and 9b''' ('''phase II discussion ↗'''): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA ↗ and Require links for claims of specific policy violations ↗

'''Proposal 3b''' (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only ↗

'''Proposal 13''' (in trial): Admin elections ↗

'''Proposal 14''' (implemented): Suffrage requirements ↗

'''Proposals 16 and 16c''' ('''phase II discussion ↗'''): Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs ↗ and Community recall process based on dewiki ↗

'''Proposal 17''' ('''phase II discussion ↗'''): Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions ↗

'''Proposal 24''' ('''phase II discussion ↗'''): Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process ↗

'''Proposal 25''' (implemented): Require nominees to be extended confirmed ↗

See the project page ↗ for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron ↗ (talk ↗), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter Issue 27

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{{icon|FA}} Horned sungem ↗ by {{noping|Jens Lallensack}} 
{{icon|FA}} Tufted jay ↗ by {{noping|grungaloo}} 
{{icon|FA}} ''Pseudastacus ↗'' by {{noping|Olmagon}} 
{{icon|FL}} List of erinaceids ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|FT}} Primates ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|GT}} ''Hypericum'' sect. ''Androsaemum'' ↗ by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Thalattoarchon ↗'' by {{noping|Amirani1746}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Lentinus brumalis ↗'' by {{noping|Зэгс ус}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Hypericum'' sect. ''Androsaemum'' ↗ by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, reviewed by {{noping|Maxim Masiutin}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Hypericum'' × ''inodorum'' ↗ by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, reviewed by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} Barnacle ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Lightburst}} 
{{icon|GA}} Maize ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} Pig ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Wolverine XI}} 
{{icon|GA}} Orange (fruit) ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|750h+}} 
{{icon|GA}} Fish ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Reconrabbit}} 
{{icon|GA}} Organism ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Hydropunctaria amphibia ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Melanohalea ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} Lecideaceae ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Wolverine XI}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Xylopsora canopeorum ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} Spot test (lichen) ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|GA}} Gustaf Einar Du Rietz ↗ by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Allocalicium ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Simongraham}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Multiclavula mucida ↗'' by {{noping|Esculenta}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Aphaena submaculata ↗'' by {{noping|Etriusus}}, reviewed by {{noping|Wolverine XI}} 
{{icon|GA}} White-tailed jay ↗ by {{noping|Grungaloo}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} Fork-tailed drongo ↗ by {{noping|The Blue Rider}}, reviewed by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GA}} Northern green anaconda ↗ by {{noping|Chaotic Enby}}, reviewed by {{noping|Geardona}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Heptamegacanthus ↗'' by {{noping|Mattximus}}, reviewed by {{noping|Esculenta}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Mixtotherium ↗'' by {{noping|PrimalMustelid}}, reviewed by {{noping|FunkMonk}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Diplobune ↗'' by {{noping|PrimalMustelid}}, reviewed by {{noping|Wolverine XI}} 
{{icon|GA}} Ochrophyte ↗ by {{noping|Snoteleks}}, reviewed by {{noping|Ealdgyth}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Parvilucifera ↗'' by {{noping|Snoteleks}}, reviewed by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Urceolus ↗'' by {{noping|Snoteleks}}, reviewed by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Plexippoides regius ↗'' by {{noping|Simongraham}}, reviewed by {{noping|Grungaloo}} 
{{icon|GA}} Olga Hartman ↗ by {{noping|Viriditas}}, reviewed by {{noping|Lightburst}} 
{{icon|GA}} Giant panda ↗ by {{noping|Wolverine XI}}, reviewed by {{noping|Thebiguglyalien}} 
{{icon|GA}} ''Enchylium conglomeratum ↗'' by {{noping|Xkalponik}}, reviewed by {{noping|Wolverine XI}} 

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{{icon|FAC}} Great cuckoo-dove ↗ by {{noping|AryKun}} 
{{icon|FAC}} ''Heptamegacanthus ↗'' by {{noping|Mattximus}} 
{{icon|FLC}} List of talpids ↗ by {{noping|PresN}} 
{{icon|FLC}} List of birds of New Brunswick ↗ by {{noping|B3251}} 
{{icon|FLC}} List of forest-inventory conifers in Canada ↗ by {{noping|Dank}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Dissoderma odoratum ↗'' by {{noping|NotAGenious}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Xiphodon ↗'' by {{noping|PrimalMustelid}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Banana ↗ by {{noping|Chiswick Chap}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Phintella parva ↗'' by {{noping|Simongraham}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Evarcha maculata ↗'' by {{noping|Simongraham}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Asian elephant ↗ by {{noping|Wolverine XI}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Megafauna ↗ by {{noping|Wolverine XI}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Fishing cat ↗ by {{noping|Wolverine XI}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Thistle tortoise beetle ↗ by {{noping|Justinxuje}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Enchylium limosum ↗'' by {{noping|Xkalponik}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Enchylium polycarpon ↗'' by {{noping|Xkalponik}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Skeleton panda sea squirt ↗ by {{noping|Chaotic Enby}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Hypericum aciferum ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Hypericum russeggeri ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Hypericum minutum ↗'' by {{noping|Fritzmann2002}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Chrompodellid ↗ by {{noping|Snoteleks}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Aquilegia sibirica ↗'' by {{noping|Pbritti}} 
{{icon|GAN}} ''Carabus japonicus ↗'' by {{noping|NHanselman}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Charles De Geer ↗ by {{noping|Yakikaki}} 
{{icon|GAN}} Cheetah reintroduction in India ↗ by {{noping|Magentic Manifestations}} 
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The newsletter will not be returning to a monthly format (mainly because the author is busy failing every exam imaginable) and is on a bimonthly schedule for the foreseeable future.

The second round of the WikiCup was very competitive, requiring the highest points total to advance since 2014. Two TOL editors, {{noping|AryKun}} and {{noping|Fritzmann2002}}, advanced to the third round.

The March edition of our monthly rolling contest ↗ was won by {{noping|simongraham}}, who amassed 118 points from 21 articles on various species of jumping spider; in second place was {{noping|Quetzal1964}} with 109 points from 53 articles on marine ray-finned fish.

Quetzal1964 and simongraham were also the top two in the April edition, although Quetzal was ahead this time, with 68 points to simongraham's 48. In the annual leaderboard, Quetzal and simongraham are in first and second place respectively, with 291 and 246 points; in third place is {{noping|Snotoleks}}, with 76 points.

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... that an '''Indian rhinoceros ↗''', sent as a gift to Pope Leo X ↗ in 1515, was immortalised as ''Dürer's Rhinoceros ↗'' after dying in a shipwreck? (1 March)

... that due to a misunderstanding, '''''Catodontherium ↗''''' was moved from its original genus name? (3 March)

... that a malaria ↗-control program in rural Brazil attracted droves of '''annoying, colorful bees that collect pesticide ↗''' ''(example pictured)'' into homes? (4 March)

... that popular garden plants ↗ like '''malfurada ↗''' often escape from cultivation ↗ and become invasive ↗? (5 March)

... that the '''cherry blossom ↗''' was used symbolically in Japanese World War II propaganda ↗, with falling petals representing "young soldiers' sacrifice for the emperor"? (8 March)

... that off-roading ↗ at Muriwai Beach ↗ in New Zealand may be damaging the habitat of the newly described '''korowai gecko ↗''' ''(example pictured)''? (9 March)

... that Will Smith ↗ took part in the expedition that discovered the '''northern green anaconda ↗'''? (13 March)

... that the '''Kīlauea lava cricket ↗''' disappears from a lava field as soon as any plants start to grow there? (13 March)

... that Julian Assange ↗'s lawyer argued that the rules set by the Ecuadorian embassy ↗ requiring Assange to take care of his pet cat '''Michi ↗''' were "denigrating"? (13 March)

... that mule deer ↗ sometimes prefer the flavor of one '''Rocky Mountain juniper ↗''' tree, like "ice cream", over another? (21 March)

... that the '''skeleton panda sea squirt ↗''' was known on the Internet for its skeleton-like appearance years before its formal description? (26 March)

... that only one fruit but several thousand seeds were known when '''''Allenbya collinsonae ↗''''' was named? (26 March)

... that while named for alliums ↗, the fossil '''''Paleoallium ↗''''' ''(pictured)'' was not necessarily directly related to any allium species? (27 March)

... that the extinct genus '''''Mixtotherium ↗''''', meaning 'mixed beast', has traits of both extinct primates and hyraxes ↗? (28 March)

... that the fossil fern '''''Dickwhitea ↗''''' was described from a single block of chert ↗? (28 March)

... that '''''Scytalopus krabbei ↗''''' is named after Niels Krabbe ↗, who discovered seven other species in its genus? (29 March)

... that '''''Institutiones rei herbariae ↗''''', published in 1700, sought to give a unique name to every plant based on their "essence"? (29 March)

... that in some rare cases, large Siberian tigers ↗ prey on adult '''brown bears ↗'''? (30 March)

... that only six years after its 2016 discovery, the '''Meratus blue flycatcher ↗''' ''(pictured)'' was found being sold in Indonesian songbird markets? (30 March)

... that the '''spirit liverwort ↗''' is called such because of its proximity to the Māori afterlife? (31 March)

... that cultures of the fungus '''''Lentinus brumalis ↗''''' have been flown on three different satellites? (31 March)

... that the English herbalist Nicholas Culpeper ↗ claimed that eating '''alkanet ↗''' leaves would make a person's spit deadly to serpents? (31 March)

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... that despite its name meaning 'unscented', '''''Hypericum'' × ''inodorum'' ↗''' can smell strongly of goat? (1 April)

... that '''color-changing cats ↗''' ''(artist's impression pictured)'' could help us communicate with the future? (2 April)

... that '''Pep ↗''' the dog was falsely accused of murdering a cat and sent to Eastern State Penitentiary ↗? (2 April)

... that '''an extinct French scarab beetle ↗''' was discovered in a Prague factory? (3 April)

... that the '''white-tailed jay ↗''' ''(example pictured)'' found in Ecuador and Peru was once thought to have been brought to Mexico by pre-Columbian trade ↗? (5 April)

... that saving the '''Guadalupe cypress ↗''' included the help of 40 Judas goats ↗? (5 April)

... that the '''fork-tailed drongo ↗''' gives genuine alarm calls but will sometimes lie to steal food from other animals ↗? (5 April)

... that '''Bangiales ↗''', an order ↗ of red algae ↗, contains both the oldest-known sexually reproducing organism ↗ and the seaweed used to make sushi wrappers ↗? (7 April)

... that beavers, mules, and dogs have been '''parachuted from airplanes ↗'''? (8 April)

... that '''''Aphaena submaculata ↗''''' ''(pictured)'' uses specialized mouthparts to suck the sap of trees? (8 April)

... that female '''''Eriopis connexa ↗''''' beetles prevent sibling cannibalism by laying unfertilized eggs? (9 April)

... that '''''Androsaemum androsaemum ↗''''' is botanically unacceptable ↗, but '''''Aniculus aniculus ↗''''' is perfectly valid ↗? (9 April)

... that there is one male for every 31 females in an '''''E. interjectus ↗''''' colony, and each female can start its own colony? (10 April)

... that '''the first extant deer discovered in the 21st century ↗''' is only 38 centimetres (15 in) tall? (10 April)

... that '''''Buellia aethalea ↗''''', a species ↗ of fungus ↗, is also known as the "darkened button lichen ↗" due to the small black spots on its crusty grey surface? (14 April)

... that despite commonly being caught with a hook and line ↗, the holotype ↗ of the '''Rapa Nui lizardfish ↗''' was instead collected with a spear ↗? (14 April)

... that '''ochrophyte ↗''' algae have twice as many membranes around their chloroplasts as plants? (16 April)

... that while the lichen ↗ species '''''Enchylium conglomeratum ↗''''' is considered secure ↗ globally, it has been designated as extinct ↗ in the UK and regionally extinct ↗ in Switzerland? (18 April)

... that '''''Cladonota ↗'''''<nowiki/>'s extravagant dorsal structures have been called both "grotesque" and "particularly charismatic"? (19 April)

... that the damselfly-relative '''''Okanagrion ↗''''' is suggested to have eight species due to both alpha ↗ and beta diversity ↗ drivers? (21 April)

... that trees of the extinct genus '''''Calamophyton ↗''''' ''(example pictured)'' formed the earliest known forest? (22 April)

... that the color of a '''black-headed tailorbird ↗'''<nowiki/>'s throat was thought to depend on sex, but later turned out to depend on age? (23 April)

... that '''Biodiversity Impact Credits ↗''' seek to stop species extinction ↗? (30 April)

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Nomination of :Manav_Bhinder ↗ for deletion

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Yaduvanshi Ahirs

What is the reason for merging Yaduvanshi Ahirs ↗ into Ahir ↗ article? 2409:4085:8583:6F2E:0:0:2A75:D0B0 ↗ (talk) 13:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
:It's not me you have to discuss this with, but the folks editing at Talk:Yaduvanshi Ahirs ↗. What I am seeing is the undiscussed, repeated re-instatement of a redirect that has been repeatedly confirmed over a decade now. Under such circumstances, you can not just try to force an old version back in over everyone else's take. Get consensus on the talk page please. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 14:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

ANI suggestion

You commented on a post involving me on ANIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Obsidian_Soul-20240621040100-WP:HOUNDING_and_WP:TENDENTIOUS_by_User:ThoughtIdRetired_on_Austronesian-related_topics ↗. In absence of any wikiproject that I know of that deals with the translocation of species in prehistoric times, I informally contacted an individual editor with a significant track record of that sort of article. It seems unfair to post their answer on a high traffic site like ANI, but their answer is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chiswick_Chap#Would_you_want_to_comment_on_this ↗. I don't know what opinion you have of the answer I got (presumably written on a mobile phone!), but it makes me think I perhaps undersold the level of problem that I and a small number of other editors have with the original complainant. Incidentally, I was thankedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=thanks&user=Revirvlkodlaku&page=User%3AThoughtIdRetired&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist ↗ for the edit that seems to have triggered the ANI. You can see that this is an editor who has a small contribution to Austronesian peoples ↗. I am beginning to believe that others have been driven away.

Any further thoughts you have would be welcome.

(I should say that I will probably be unable to answer anything on Wikipedia on Monday or most of Tuesday as I will be travelling.) ThoughtIdRetired TIR 19:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Timeline of Mount Everest expeditions ↗

Thank you for helping me undo my edits to this article. Butterfingers indeed, although I'm still unsure how I managed it. - Nidator T ↗ / C ↗ 06:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Reconsideration of “Of Love” Exhibition Cancellation as a Form of Censorship

I wanted to revisit the recent edit regarding the cancellation of the “Of Love” exhibition that was removed from the “Censorship in Germany” page.

The reason I believe this event is relevant to the topic of censorship is based on the broader definition provided at the beginning of the page, which mentions ''censorship is mainly exerted in the form of restriction of access to certain media (examples include motion pictures and video games) to older adolescents or adults ''[1 ↗]. The decision by the Lichtenberg district office to cancel the exhibition due to its content—specifically, the reference to a “genocide in Gaza” without acknowledging the October 7, 2023, attacks—seems to align with this definition. It’s a clear instance where public access to certain political expressions in a public venue was restricted.

While I understand that the district office has the right to decide what is displayed in its galleries, this decision directly limited the public’s access to the exhibition due to its political content, which, in a broader sense, could be considered a form of censorship.

Given that the page includes examples of censorship related to media access and content restrictions, I believe this incident is relevant and could contribute to the discussion of how censorship is applied in contemporary Germany, especially in publicly funded spaces.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this and whether we might find a way to include this event in the broader context of censorship. Camioncu (talk) 12:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
:Moved to article talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 13:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
::I don't see it, are you writing it or should I write it? Camioncu (talk) 13:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{Re|Camioncu}} I moved it to the article's talk page ↗. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 14:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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H. Rider Haggard ↗

I saw you removed part of the text quoting Rider Haggard on the topic of race. It's not "original research" nor my own opinion: it is the author himself talking on the topic of hierarchies among races or cultures. I only cited one paragraph but he makes the same point several times in the same book. "No original research" is to be used for "facts, allegations, and ideas for which no reliable, published source exists". The book written by the very author the article is about should be considered, without doubt, a valid source. ( JohnMizuki (talk) 12:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC) )

I saw your pejorative comment about my recent removal of the {sic} tag from footnote 43. "R. D. Mullen- The Books of H. Rider Haggard: A Chronological Survey". www.depauw.edu in the article H. Rider Haggard ↗. Yes, I do understand what {sic} refers to. As evident from the article's history, I actually added that specific {sic} tag on Sept. 4 with a descriptive edit summary indicating why I did so, in keeping with its typical usage. But after doing so, I also went a step further and contacted Istvan Csicsery-Ronay, Jr., Emeritus Professor of English and World Literature at DePauw University and Co-Editor of Science Fiction Studies who published the cited material. I explained to him the existence of the typo in hopes that he would consider correcting it. To my pleasant surprise, he responded by the next day that he had, indeed, corrected the typo. After verifying such was the case, I then removed the {sic} tag that I had previously added, and corrected the spelling of "survey" in the footnote since the typo no longer exists in the referenced source. ShoneBrooks (talk) 23:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{re|Shonebrooks}} fair enough. Having previously viewed that source when the typo ''was'' present, I do not blame myself for assuming that that was still the case, but I appreciate you taking the trouble to keep WP representation and source status in sync. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 07:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Reverting draftify of Polymetallic ore ↗

It is policy that any articles that have been in mainspace for more than 90 days are not moved to draft, please see WP:DRAFTNO ↗, and I counted 123 days. While I agree that the article needs work, draftify is not appropriate so I reverted it. Ldm1954 (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{re|Ldm1954}} so your solution is to return a completely unsourced article to mainspace? I question your priorities. I have now redirected the article to Ore ↗ in absence of any sources. Be aware that restoring the material makes ''you'' responsible for sourcing it, and any other editor is perfectly within their rights to remove the unsourced material. Whether a redirect is a better state for the topic to be in than a draft is anyone's guess; I doubt it. But hey, there you go. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 16:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::And I will probably revert that as well since it is clearly disputed by multiple edits by multiple people, and is not the same. If you believe an exception of the standard draftification policy was correct then please do an RfC. You could have done an AfC, although when I did a WP:BEFORE ↗ it showed several sources -- hence the tagging.
::Please revert your edit and follow the standard approach. Thanks in advance. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Nope, I will not revert. If you do, I shall a) reinstate the redirect, and b) formally warn you for placing unsourced material in mainspace. Again, WP:Verifiability ↗ comes first. It is a much more fundamental policy than any subsidiary policies about draftification time-outs. We are an encyclopedia publishing '''sourced articles''', not a DYI project that prioritizes having ''some''thing in mainspace over having ''accountably sourced material''.
:::I don't know what you mean by "do an AfC" - I assume you mean AfD? That is also mistaken, because I do not advocate that we should not have an article on the topic, merely that what is there MUST be sourced. I suggest you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Alternatives_to_deletion ↗. Of the available options, the ones that are suitable for dealing with complete absence of sources are draftification, merging, or redirection. Letting it sit with hopeful tagging is not appropriate. You can do that when the source situation is weak, not when sources are absent. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 17:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:::AfD (not AfC) Ldm1954 (talk) 19:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Correction to marasmus

Hi, thanks for the additions you made to the article, however, your edit left this sentence: "Due to the deficiency in macronutrients and caloric intake, specifically protein and adult survivors that impact development." I would correct it, but do not really know what you were trying to say, and without researching this topic, I do not feel qualified to correct it. Regards,  • Bobsd •  (talk) 16:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you - fixed (as far as I was able to intepret it). Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 15:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review

Hi there! The trial of the RfA discussion-only period passed at WP:RFA2024 ↗ has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at '''Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period ↗'''. Cheers, and happy editing! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Octopus

Your edits and comments make no sense.

"Grammar - what you mean is syntax." The two terms are not mutually exclusive. What do '''you''' think the word "grammar" means?

"Please stop making a fool of yourself, and stop edit-warring." Why are you saying this, when you are the only one guilty of each of those things?

Look at what you are changing the sentence to say. The version you keep instating is claiming that, the majority of the time, people consider the incorrectness of "octopi" to be a matter of gramamr. This is a very contentious claim. If you're going to make such a claim, you need to source it.

You haven't answered me: How does adding that word improve the article? If you can't give an answer to this, don't waste everyone's time by keeping on adding it. Problem solved.

— Smjg (talk) 22:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
:I have limited patience for extended arguments with people who are not only keeping a stranglehold on a misconception, but in the process are wildly flailing about to score points no matter what. Do go and read grammar ↗; it should enlighten you that this concept covers things like declension and pluralization. The form of any '''individual''' word follows grammatical rules. A faulty plural is a grammatical issue. Thus the clarification is suitable and correct. It is also useful in clarifying that this not a question of, e.g., misapplication of a term in use in another context, but purely of not following the grammatical rules of the language underlying the term. So, I deem you wrong on both factual counts, and object to the word's removal. If you want to argue the point further, take it to the article's talk page, as I will not entertain further ignorant posturing on mine. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 11:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Conservation status and PoWO

Like you, when I looked at ''Carum leucocoleon ↗'' and saw a conservation status supported by a reference to PoWO, I assumed it was an error. But some entries in PoWO, including this one, now give a status from the "Angiosperm Extinction Risk Predictions v1" under the "General information" tab. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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On using genus pages for information about extinct species

If I may ask, why were specifically those seven bird species I had written new articles about deleted and redirected to the pages of their genus? I've been creating hundreds of such stub pages on extinct species of modern genera for about half a year now and all have been approved by other palaeontology editors, and numerous stubs of extinct species of extant genera already existed before I started creating them, for example ''Aegypius jinniushanensis ↗'', ''Aegypius prepyrenaicus ↗'', ''Falco antiquus ↗'', ''Oryctolagus lacosti ↗'', ''Struthio kakesiensis ↗'', ''Struthio coppensi ↗'', ''Vombatus hacketti ↗'', ''Gazella harmonae ↗'', and ''Pongo weidenreichi ↗''.

Additionally, I do think the articles I made that got sunk into redirect pages could be expanded upon to be at least Start level, as the articles describing them do give some details as to what skeletal elements of them were found. Someone that has a detailed knowledge of bird anatomy could use the information to make a decent description section that's also easily readable for a non-expert. Some of these taxa also have some brief information about their ecology discussed in the papers describing them; I can make readable sections on those as that's my area of expertise. Anteosaurus magnificus (talk) 09:53, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|Anteosaurus magnificus}} As to why I redirected the latest ones in particular, it's because they came up in sequence in the course of my last new page reviewing sweep. As for why the other ones were not: frankly, I would assume that this is because they have flown under the radar of paleo folk. Microstubs like ''Falco antiquus ↗'' are exactly what was meant by the caveat "{{tq|there is usually much less info available for prehistoric than extant species to create substantial articles}}" (did you have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Palaeontology/Guidelines#Which_articles_should_be_created ↗?). By my interpretation, if you have created hundreds of such stubs to date, then essentially all of these should be redirected to their genus pages. However as always, this is a question of consensus. I would suggest we start a discussion at Wikiproject Paleontology right now to sort this out before any further redirections ''or'' creation of similar stubs. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 10:25, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Orca/Killer whale

How is my edit on the orca ↗ page not helpful? Please explain. Mk8mlyb (talk) 05:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:The first sentence of the lede first names the article subject, ''as shown in the article title'', followed by any sufficiently commonly used alternate names. Why did you think that a name that is not the article title would have to be given first? I also suggest you have a look at the archives at Talk:Orca ↗ to find the annually recurring discussions about whether the title (and thus the primary name) should be orca or killer whale. Summa summarum, please leave the first sentence alone. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 07:06, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Neil Gaiman edits

While I see your point regarding the reversion of the edits to this article, as a polite tip for the future, you could perhaps make them without being so incredibly patronising, arrogant, and condescending in your justifications for doing so to people making edits in good faith. You might find it easier to build consensus that way.(PaulThomas92 (talk) 09:30, 9 February 2025 (UTC))
:If you consider that edit summary "incredibly patronising, arrogant, and condescending", I would suggest you shouldn't engage in editing controversial areas of WP. I used slightly pointed language - with these expectations, any actually confrontational comment is likely to blow your socks off. As to topical discussion of the edit in question, I hope we can keep it to the article's talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 09:50, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Vaquita

Weird, I don't know why it doesn't work for me. Anyway, the reason I was looking is because all the other recent edits by this user are copyright violations. See User talk:Broskalitre#Copyright. Would you be able to check if this is similar? Thanks! Jfire (talk) 06:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|Jfire}} the second time round it did drop me on the front page; odd. But there is a permalink available, so I've inserted that. I'll have a look at the others! Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 06:35, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Moa image caption

Hey, how's it going? I've noticed that you've disputed my edits to an image portraying moa overhunting on Holocene extinction ↗, and I understand your position that my edits have been reductive of the informity regarding the fauna of New Zealand prior to human arrival. However, I dispute this position on the ground that the image is provided squarely to illustrate the situation for the moa and not the broader landscape, as it was specifically them who humans drove to extinction, and the broader pattern that their extinction was a part of (human activity, not even broader mammal activity) is the whole focus of the article itself in the first place. I was actually the one who originally added that imagine, and I originally wrote the caption to single out humans specifically as being absent, and I later changed it to mammals more generally to further emphasize just how drastically humans had overthrown the previous order of minimal predators. My position is that placing emphasis on the mammals who squarely were there but didn't threaten the moa detracts from the point of the image, and it is therefore inappropriate to single out bats. As you have been the primary challenger to my edits, I hope to reach a resolution with you, if that will be ok. GOLDIEM J (talk) 14:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{Re|Elmidae}} are you up for comment? GOLDIEM J (talk) 10:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|GOLDIEM J}} oh, go ahead. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 11:02, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I am trying to resolve a dispute with you, and that is all you've got for me? Take me seriously😡 Please give me something more constructive. GOLDIEM J (talk) 11:18
::::Long form: your willingness to expend time and argument on this minuscule issue appears to exceed mine, so have it your way. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 13:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Removing information without warning

I am just wondering, where in the pursuit of knowledge does protocol call for the removal of a series of edits without requesting a viable source? Your recent work on my edits have done damage I am not willing to replace. Had you simply said a source was needed for the information I was leaving, I would have worked to do so. Now, you have wasted time for us both, and reduced the viability of those articles for future readers (as I will not spend the time to add the information back, even with the sources). — Preceding unsigned ↗ comment added by RawrSean (talk • contribs ↗) 02:10, 12 February 2025 (UTC) 
:{{re|RawrSean}} it's the decision of any editor whether to tag or remove unsourced material, based on the circumstances. If you specifically state in the edit summary that the edit is based on your "experience", then the obvious conclusion is that it is ''not'' based on a published source, and a "citation needed" tag would sem pointless. As for providing properly sourced text, well, that's your call. If you believe that hitting the revert button once before adding your source is too much work, then the material will not be part of the articles. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 08:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
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It has to be clear to you that I am not experienced in the world of Wikipedia. The decision you made was made in poor judgement. Previous citation needed requests were fulfilled with haste. You made assumptions and eliminated the opportunity, as if I contain the knowledge of editing Wikipedia that you do. You have instead contributed to a great loss of information. P.S. Where do you think primary sources come from? Thin air? Or experts in the field? Just because I have personal experience does not mean I could not track down a suitable source. Yes, I refuse to 'click revert.' Wikipedia will suffer for your misaligned judgement. I hope that you will instead next time offer the individual a chance to be aware and correct, rather than taking over an entire day or two of someones time by reverting their work.
:The "undo" action is trivially easy to do for a reason. I am not responsible for your preference for pouting over using this standard mechanism of WP. You and your high dudgeon have a nice day. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 06:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Trams in Brescia

Hi. I don't understand why you reverted Trams in Brescia ↗ defining it "entirely superfluous". Article is related to trams in Brescia, such as Trams in Florence ↗, Trams in Milan ↗ and Trams in Bologna ↗. I wrote about their history and I'm going to add new content, such as network development and rolling stocks, in next weeks. Thanks and regards. Moliva (talk) 16:52, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|Moliva}} Hmm. I was operating on the fact that I had merged a big chunk of this material to Brescia ↗ in 2019, and it seemed that you were just duplicating this at a new location, which is heavily discouraged. However, I see that this text was actually (gradually) removed from the Brescia article over the last few years, with no apparent new home. So I guess a full new article is a good alternative. Apologies; I have self-reverted. - Two comments though: one, it seems as if you are basing the entirety of the material on a single book. This is generally not a good idea because it makes the article reflect a single author's viewpoint. While this sometimes cannot be avoided, please try to incorporate some other sources. Two, if you do use a large number of references to the same work that only differ by page number, please employ short-form citation ↗ to avoid creating a huge and hard-to-parse reference section. Cheers! --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 09:37, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
::@Elmidae: thanks for tips. I'll add two new sources and I'll use short-form citation, probably {{tl|sfn}}. Thanks and regards. Moliva (talk) 21:35, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Pinniped

Can you please add a page number for the newly added book? LittleJerry (talk) 03:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:Done. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 07:25, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Cirsium waldsteinii

The text is going to wikisource soon, but for now I need it to finish writing the article. My friend transcribed the text for me because I have a vision impairment and the OCR is inadequate. Can you please revert your edit? Thank you. Ivan (talk) 20:31, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|Иованъ}} alright, I have restored it for you, but please be aware that it will have to be removed before long, since this kind of incomprehensible (to almost all readers) quotation block is not suited to an encyclopedic article. Also, note that you can always jump back to specific versions in the history ↗ to find text that has since been removed. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 10:41, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
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Thank you for explaining the issue with my edit on the pine marten. After looking at what you meant by "less commonly" being important to the article, I changed my edit, only removing the word "also". DNocterum (talk) 03:36, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

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The Macquarie Dictionary has entries for 'euthanase' and 'euthanise'; Wiktionary has 'euthanize', with 'euthanise' as British spelling, and 'euthanase'and 'euthanaze' as alternative spellings. IMHO 'euthanase' is Australian spelling, while 'euthanize' is U.S. spelling. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 14:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
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widely accepted by who? who accepts the fact gorillas are herbivores? because nearly no one says they are herbivores anymore, infact wikpedia is one of the few places that still say they are herbivores

every zoo says they are either mostly given a primarily vegetarian diet or that they are omnivores, which means the same thing

WWF says they eat insects

Hell documentaries from likes of Sir David Attenborough has even said that they eat insects, especially when grooming

sure some populations of gorillas dont eat that many insects, but this wikipedia page is for all gorillas, there are literally some where half their diet is insects with a very large portion of a diet

like actually try and find an up to date source that says they are complete herbivores from a trusted source because they. do. not. exist. HCPM (talk) 18:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
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Why did you undo my edit for tiger sharks? Do you consider orca prey to be apex predators? If so, why do other similar articles such as that on the white shark not call them "apex predators?" Uchiha Itachi 25 (talk) 09:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:The literature says otherwise - see e.g. https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2435.2012.01973.x ↗. Also, don't remove unconnected information becuae you dislike part of the sentence: the material on body length has nothing to do with that. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 11:44, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

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I was logging in to edit the king vulture page, and I noticed that the reference to a sighting of a king vulture near Miami in 2018 was removed. Whether the sighting actually happened as described or not-- and obviously it should be taken with a large grain of salt-- it is at least interesting when considering the so-called "painted vulture" and the possibility that there was once a distinct subspecies of the king vulture in Florida. 173.226.80.18 ↗ (talk) 19:22, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|173.226.80.18}} we cannot make statements that are cited to unreliable sources. That includes ebird, which is a crowd-sourced platform with no editorial oversight. Once such a sighting is reported by a reliable publication, it can be mentioned, but until then we would be doing the reader a disservice by repeating what is essentially a rumour. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 14:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
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I noticed that you rudely undid my edit of Kinetoplastea. And you should be ashamed of doing that since it was because I was Christian that I did the edit. So restore my edit now or you'll get blocked! 2600:4040:BFEA:D400:58E0:95CB:362D:D54D ↗ (talk) 23:47, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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Does the photo of this individual not speak for itself? I understand that it’s not a reliable source, but there is photographic evidence that such a specimen existed, and that it was likely 7 meters or more. Hydrocracker (talk) 17:44, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Kākāpō kept as pets

Hi, I noted your revert of an edit on Kākāpō ↗. The article has a small paragraph at the end of Kākāpō#In_Māori_culture ↗ describing Kākāpō as being kept as pets, and I have found another online source that says the same thing: https://www.meenanzcraft.co.nz/blogs/news/kakapo-parrots-return-to-mainland-%F0%9F%8C%BF#:~:text=Friendly%20Companions,of%20New%20Zealand's%20natural%20heritage ↗. My opinion is that the edit was valid, albeit that it was not expressed in terms that clearly link to the content already in the body._Marshelec (talk) 19:28, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|Marshelec}} Fair enough about the mention of a pet already in the article. However, keeping animals as pets does not equal domestication ↗ - any wild animal may be kept as a pet, but few are considered domesticated. That claim would need strong sources indeed to back it up. I can't access the link you provided (whites out after a second, may have something to do with popups), but it appears to be a personal blog, which is unlikely to furnish that level of evidence. As things stand, I can't see a justification to add the domestication claim to our article. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 07:21, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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Porcupine

Thank you for cleaning up the addition to the Evolution section of Porcupine ↗. Improving this article is a long-term goal for me. I did some further looking in to the text and excised what looked to be unsourced. I think I have the right of it now, but do you think this one sentence (family diversification in the Miocene) is supported by https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/1756-0500-6-160 ↗? I also asked Feizan, who expanded the section, how they ended up adding the not-quite-incorrect information, and got what I would call an evasive answer. The addition did provide a good starting point but normally when seeing edits with obvious tells like that I revert them wholesale and hang on to the references to see if anything can be gleaned from them myself. -- Reconrabbit 17:09, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|Reconrabbit}} Yesss... I've been pondering that myself. I removed a boatload of asterisks used as emphasis from the text, and only after that realized that this is one of the more common tells of LLM use ↗. There was also one reference (which I removed) that I couldn't find, and I went through all publications by that author. Not having done any checking of actual source-text consistency, I didn't want to pull the trigger based on these hunches, but your findings really make me think that this contributor is not to be trusted. Apart from everything else, this is the only zoology/evolution topic they have ever edited, and then they produce this type of high-level overview of the literature? - All in all, I would support reverting the lot on heavy suspicion of LLM use, and having a look at the refs ourselves. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 17:21, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
::I reverted one of their edits to Patagonia ↗ and another to Elk ↗. I will take a look at Metalworking ↗ but don't have a horse in the race for anything else (French Space Program, etc.) Tangentially related, I would like to open a thread on RSN about Animal Diversity Web some time. There have been complaints about incorrect information there at some of my good article reviews and it's better used as a way to find primary sources anyway. I just don't have any recent disputes about its inclusion/exclusion to cite (though I did just remove two at Elk above). -- Reconrabbit 17:30, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Changes to the National Panda Park

Hey I was wondering what changes you made on the Giant Panda National Park and can we change it back for a few days?--CoreyNugs (talk) 17:37, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|CoreyNugs}} You can see the changes here ↗. In general, you can see the complete sequence of edits to any page by looking at the "History" tab of that page. I fixed the reference format and removed extraneous material on the subspecies, which should not be covered in this article: and I added a fact that ''should'' have been present but was omitted, which is that this species' habitat is part of the park. - No, you cannot change back a page merely to demonstrate what homework you did (I assume this is what this is about). Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia, not a coursework forum; if an edit was made with necessary improvements, then these should not be reverted (temporarily or otherwise) just to show someone. Your instructor or reviewer will be able to look into the history, at the link given above or via the "History" tab, and see exactly what you wrote, so it will not be hidden. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 19:02, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

T. Rex height measurements

Hi, um... I've noticed that you removed my images and the measurements I've posted about T. Rex's height in a hypothetical "alert" posture. Could you clarify the reasons for that? It'd be greatly appreciated. Also, I read what you wrote about... me being a "koko sock?" There seems to be a bit of a mix up, I have no idea who this koko guy is, and I am pretty new around here. Just created my account 4-5 days ago. --Marshsky123 (talk) 19:54, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

Trolling?

Hi. I'm asking this because I would like to learn. Maybe there's some background that I'm missing. Why can my lowering of an article's content assessment be considered trolling, as you labeled it here ↗? AwerDiWeGo (talk) 14:44, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
:{{re|AwerDiWeGo}} well, since this continually refined, massively referenced article clearly does not fit the criteria for a "C" rating (missing obvious important content, insufficiently sourced etc.), I had to assume it was either trolling or cluelessness. I generally don't care in the least about article classes, but I do get annoyed when people toss in such inapplicable nuisances from the side, especially in hotly debated topics that can do without the additional aggravation. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 16:20, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
::Great. Good to know. An excellent, flawless article, unless one's clueless. Have a wonderful day. AwerDiWeGo (talk) 16:26, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

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Happy First Edit Anniversary Elmidae 🎉

Hey @Elmidae. Your wiki edit anniversary was 1 day ago, marking 11 years of dedicated contributions to English Wikipedia. Your passion for sharing knowledge and your remarkable contributions have not only enriched the project, but also inspired countless others to contribute. Thank you for your amazing contributions. Wishing you many more wonderful years ahead in the Wiki journey and a blessed New Year. :) -❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 10:39, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Please don’t keep inserting your non rs text at Heinrich Schliemann ↗

Thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
:{{re|Doug Weller}} you know, I was just starting to feel a bit sorry about having gotten unnecessarily snippy on the talk page... but this crap makes me think I wasn't trenchant enough. It's not "my" text, I have ''not'' "kept inserting" anything after the first revert to start a discussion, and your incoherent buddy has already successfully removed the blockquote. Please abstain from these holier-than-thou drive-by messages, and no thanks for making me get mad at some unusually bad admin habits. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 20:41, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::Wow, lack of good faith towards User:Carlstak, a personal attack on me including a suggestion I was acting as an Admin instead of as an ordinary editor. Doug Weller talk 09:55, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Very well, let's make it "bad habits in an editor who, as an admin, should know better". Given that I had already disengaged on the article talk page and left you two to your own devices (which you were fully aware of), I must interpret your above notice as either a) an annoying automatism that you should know better than to drop on people and expect no comment, b) an exercise in ass-covering so you could claim "has been notified" or whatever else track-laying you had in mind, or c) a targeted attempt at needling. And now we have arrived at the stage of squabbling about the tone, I see. Let's please stop this here, I'm getting really ticked off. I guess we may both have enough productive work on our plates. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 10:24, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Doug, I understood Elmidae's own made-up quote (apparently attributed to both of us), "I don't like the source because I distrust students" to be the "paraphrase" he was talking about, even though it's not a "paraphrase" of anything either of us said. The text I removed was first added by another editor ↗ in 2012. The extraneous ungrammatical words it also contained, "During this period he was criticized and ridiculed of claims to fathering an offspring with a local Assyrian Girl sparking infidelity and adultery which Schliemann did not confirm or deny" were added by another editor at some other point in the revision history. Carlstak (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

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Redirect of Cryoturris albida

I've reversed your redirect of Cryoturris albida ↗. You can find the reasoning on the talk page of my home page. This is an unsettled question but certainly not a synonym of Polystira albida ↗. JoJan (talk) 15:03, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{re|JoJan}} thanks for the heads-up. I agree that given the details you found, keeping the article as a standalone is the correct approach. Best put a link to the discussion on your talk page onto the article talk page? --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 16:42, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

"continued misrepresentation of IUCN data, apparently maliciously"

Your recent edits of lists of species with the edit summary "continued misrepresentation of IUCN data, apparently maliciously" have me confused. When I check those edits, the status was correct according to the IUCN web page before your "correction". One edit did not relate to IUCN data. Am I missing something? I've only checked a sample. Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨  22:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{re|SchreiberBike}} ugh... shouldn't do these things in the middle of the night :/ I noticed half a dozen instances of date bowdlerization ↗ and then caught a number of other changes up in the sweep. Not a good use of rollback. I'll fix it up. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 09:45, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for removing duplicate references from three articles edited by a student in my WikiEdu course

Dear @Elmidae, I have just spent two hours meeting on zoom with one of my Applied Plant Ecology students, the enthusiastic new Wikipedian, @Cooperthedog04. They did the training modules back in January, but forgot how to use the "Re-use" reference drop down menu. This led to them inadvertently adding numerous duplicate references to five course-related webpages.

We have thanked @Johnjbarton and are now thanking you for your dedication to Wikipedia ecology pages. Also, thanking my wonderful colleagues at WikiEdu for their support over the years, @Helaine (Wiki Ed) and @Ian (Wiki Ed), and sending best wishes for this long weekend. Now I need to check in on the ravages that the other few students who left this until the last minute (rolling eyes emoji). Dawnbazely (talk) 15:56, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:{{re|Dawnbazely}} I don't think that re-using a full reference is a big problem - happens all the time with newbies, and is easily remedied - but it is very improbable that the any new reference, whatever the content, really would be suitable to be used five or six times in the same already well-developed article. That is the "cite spam" that was problematic - dropping the ref all over the place just to be seen Doing The Thing, with minimal concern for redundancy, applicability, or the consistency of the article in general. If I may suggest so, please bring ''that'' facet up in discussion with the students :) Cheers! --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 18:16, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks, and I did.Dawnbazely (talk) 12:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Prerie dogs

Thanks for correcting some of my mistakes. How did you even notice my edit? Святослав Добровольський (talk) 15:01, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

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Elephant video

Curious to hear directly why you think the video isn't useful on the elephant page? The page has no videos of African elephants in the wild, so this seems useful, especially for people who have never seen a living one, right? Nesnad (talk) 13:03, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:The article is absolutely packed with image material, including of moving animals. Especially in articles so well developed and over-imaged, there has to be a good reason to add ''yet more'' images - something missing from the article, or exceptional quality. This isn't it. The five people in the world who have never seen a moving elephant before coming to WP are not missing out on anything by not having a moving ''wild'' elephant shown to them as well.--Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 14:54, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::We are suppose to make Wiki from the point of view of not expecting people know the content already, otherwise most content could be removed. Also, it is not an image, it is a video. Videos show way more about movement and behavior than an image. If you think the article has too many images, then remove some redundant ones, but what is wrong with a video showing what they look like in their wild real life environment. Just fascinated why you (and apparently the other user) seem so against what seems useful to me. Nesnad (talk) 16:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

Reply

I replied to your response to the latest edit request on Talk:Gorilla ↗. ~2026-28068-81 ↗ (talk) 12:21, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

Hello!

I noticed you removed my photo in the Hibiscus × rosa-sinensis ↗ article! Is it possible that we could keep the photo? It was one of my first real edits! Thank you for your time! :3 Cenchros Roseus (talk) 19:46, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:{{re|Cenchros Roseus}} thanks for adding material to the encyclopedia, it is appreciated! :) However, we as editors do need to keep in mind that the function of this site is to just that - an encyclopedia. It should illustrate each subject which enough text and imagery to give the reader a complete overview of avauilable information, and no more. There's a temptation to treat articles instead as personal publication venues, where we can have our self-taken images (or those we otherwise like especially) put on display. The result is galleries like the one in Hibiscus × rosa-sinensis ↗ and many other flowering plant species articles, which really should be visited with a pair of pruning shears and substantially reduced in size - there's a lot of duplication in there. Please don't add to that bloat! If an image does not ''add anything to an article that is not yet covered'', it should not go in. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 13:39, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::Of course! Thank you for your explanation and time! :3 Cenchros Roseus (talk) 17:05, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Hyrax Culture

Hey, I noticed that you removed both my addition of how Rock Hyraxes have been a cultural phenomenon in 2023 on top of another user's discussion of their popularity in 2026. This can be seen in the Google Trends ↗ since 2004, and I think that it is strange that they do not have any acknowledgement about their popularity the same way pages like Capybara ↗ do. Shouldn't you also be removing the Pop Culture section on Capybaras if you're removing the pop culture of Hyraxes? HyraxHub (talk) 19:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

:"What about article X?" ↗ isn't a valid argument. - UtherSRG (talk) ↗ 21:22, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::And the Google Trends link that I was listing? HyraxHub (talk) 21:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Indicates that term is used more often now; it implies nothing about culture. - UtherSRG (talk) ↗ 21:27, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|HyraxHub}} in Capybara ↗, notice these multiple references to reliable, mainstream, independent sources, such as national news outlets and the ''The Economist'', that focus on the topic and literally state "this thing is an internet meme"? That's the difference. Such sources are the required basis for any statement in an article. If you can produce this type of coverage, there is an argument for including it in the article. Google Trends have no meaning whatsoever in this regard. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 06:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

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No, I don't think {{np|Northpixel}} wants to get the point

The section {{slink|User talk:Northpixel#May 2026|nopage=y}} on their talk page doesn't function now, and they're still treating Nepali history as a glorious cause ↗ that needs to be preserved against me and you and whoever doesn't like them (right here ↗) Whyiseverythingalreadyused (t · c ↗ · he/him ↗) 11:19, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

:And now they're calling us Indian nationals; got ideas? Whyiseverythingalreadyused (t · c ↗ · he/him ↗) 05:14, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
::Suggest ignoring. They are not getting anywhere while clinging to this belligerent playground style, and as long as they don't mess with the article, they can fantasize about whatever nationality they want in others, as far as I'm concerned. --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 11:51, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Always precious

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Common myna in Hawaii

I believe your revert is in error. If you click on the link to the source, which I did, you will see that in the first paragraph (the At A Glance section) that it clearly states, just after the mention of southern Florida, that the myna was '''also introduced to the Hawaiian Islands'''. See this screenshot ↗. – atomic ↗𓅊7732 ↗ 02:00, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{re|Atomic7732}} that seems to be correct. I also found that the Cornell Lab bird guide talks about the outcome of introductions in Hawaii, so I've added that reference. Please note for the future that WP:BRD ↗ should be observed in such situations - talk first, re-revert later. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs ↗) 06:29, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Sinhalese–Portuguese conflicts

undid your revert of my changes as it lacked any legitimate reference. the vanni chieftaincies were autonomous states that had a tributary relationship with the kingdom of jaffna, based on historical sources, this tributary relationship did somewhat continue following the porutugese conquest of jaffna, but the dynamic did not progress beyond that. there was no portuguese conquest of the vanni, or portuguese rule/administration of the vanni. ~2026-36428-06 ↗ (talk) 11:25, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

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